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Donald Trump has said that he will not become a dictator if he becomes US president again except “on day one”, after warnings from Democrats and some Republicans that the US was in danger of becoming an autocracy if he wins the 2024 election. Fuck, well at least he’s honest on this statement
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You know your country is a failure when the perpetrator of a previous coup attempt is allowed to run for office again like nothing happened.
Can you use those 2A rights to defend against tyranny anytime soon or does that only cover school shootings and gang violence?
This is exactly what the Second is intended to take care of, but no part of the constitution will have any meaning if Trump installs himself as a dictator. Unfortunately the average right winger doesn’t seem to understand that. This is literally the moment they have claimed to be waiting for but they’re on the enemy’s side. He’s going to cancel their gun rights and they’re going to cheer for it.
This is exactly what the Second is intended to take care of
Not it isn’t. The idea that the 2a is supposed to prevent government overreach is revisionist history.
The intention of the 2a was to make a standing federal army unnecessary. Madison didn’t want a federal army, but knew the nation would need some form of military, so he wrote militias into the constitution.
(He changed his tune when the War of 1812 showed him how necessary a true military was.)
It’s laughable to think that people in power wanted others to be able to overthrow them with guns. In fact, rebellions were attempted with guns in the years after the revolutionary war. And they were put down. Never did George Washington say, “Ah, these men with guns seem to think we are being tyrannical. We should reconsider.” No, he said, “Pay your fucking taxes.”
It’s a bit of both. In the 18th century, it was abundantly obvious a country needed to be able to defend itself against both foreign powers and internal threats. But it was also very clear that if you paid a group of people to be professional soldiers, you basically always lived under the threat of those people going “That’s a nice country/state you have there” and launching a coup.
Hence the well-regulated militia, because then you don’t need a proffesional military, and there’s nobody to launch a coup, and also no way for the federal government to take over individual states. So in a way, it WAS to prevent government overreach, but not in the wat it’s usually said.
And, in any case, it’s laughable to think that a group of armed Americans could stand up to the US military if an American dictator ordered them to attack US citizens and they obeyed such an order.
The citizens would be charging in with guns blazing, but the military would send in a few drones and wipe them out. The whole “guns would let us stand against a dictatorship wielding the might of the US military” idea is a fantasy.
The fact that the right is that one that parrots this line while supporting someone who is actively saying he’ll be a dictator and send the military against US citizens blows past ironic and lands in Downright Scary territory.
He can have a little
salamidictatorship, right?The guy who says he should be allowed to serve three terms because the Democrats supposedly obstructed his agenda? The guy who says we should re-do the 2020 election after losing? That’s the guy you’re going to trust to be a 1-day dictator, huh?
He’ll only be a dictator for one day. In completely unrelated news, Dictator Trump has proclaimed that every day is his first day in office. Since his second day in office never officially arrives, he can remain a dictator and not have to worry about his term ending. /s
Dollar store orange Julius geezer
At which point he can change the rules
He’s a known liar. Vote Biden, imprison Trump.
Vote Biden, let the judicial system come to its own conclusion based on the overwhelming evidence against Trump, without political interference.
Tbf, I don’t think he’s lying about his explicit desire to a dictator.
Lock him up! Lock him up! Lock him up!
He will be worse than last time.
Yeah the fact that he doesn’t have a lawful reelection to consider is concerning. Also concerning when you think about the fact that he clearly thinks being the president shields him from a lot of legal ramifications.
So he doesn’t have to temper his behavior to get reelected in any way. He has a shitload of grudges. Pursuing those grudges would likely be various shades of illegal. He thinks staying in office will protect him from the consequences of his actions. That is a recipe for a constitutional crisis if I ever saw one.
You can only become a dictator one time, after that you are a dictator.
So he’ll only “become” a dictator on day one, the rest of his life hell just be a dictator.
And let’s not entertain the fantasy that his heath will catch up to him sooner rather than later, remember he has access to better healthcare than 99% of the population and it’s entirely state funded.
We’ll be stuck with him for at least a decade, but I wonder who will inherit the throne when he’s gone?The golden one? Probably Eric. He seems like the type that would need a golden throne.
Lol and his fans are still totally fine with him saying dangerous crap like his. It’s unbelievable.
That’s because they like the idea of a Trump dictatorship. They simply assume they’d be on the side that’s going to do the dictating.
Can’t dictate from a burnt down house. Can’t dictate with a bullet rattling around your head. I don’t know about the rest of you’se, but I’m not going to be dictated by any rat fuck righties. They can have, and lose, their second civil war.
The scary thing is they literally don’t even hear it. It doesn’t get played on Fox News, and hearing it from any other source will make them prejudge it and ignore it as liberal propaganda.
Why wouldn’t they be fine with it? A dictatorship is exactly what those traitors genuinely want.
Or think they want… Until they end up being part of a group that’s targeted.
No one who cheers for a dictator thinks that they’ll be ever targeted. There is a large number of minorities for Trump to obliterate before turning to white cis-het neurotypical Republican voters.
if the US actually re elect him they’re fucked
Let’s not demonize Trump man, he really brought what a lot of people thought would be a culture war into an economic war, which you may think is bad, but it’s actually brought a more muted epiphany for many across both sides that for many people jobs are very important to their lives, unlike in EU where places like Scandinavia, Spain or Greece see culture wars as mud to be stepped on and brushed off but economic sanction is a more realistic declaration of conflict of interest
We’re all fucked, not just the states
I don’t think the American people would ever let a Dictator get that far. If Trump gets nominated by the GOP you’ll see so much violence that by election day the entire course of history in the United States will be forever changed. I personally believe the GOP will not let him be nominated and will reject him. Trump will run third party and split the vote and give the Democrats a huge win.
Why do you think there will be violence before the election, but after Trump’s nomination? In this scenario, in your mind, who are the ones that kick off this violence?
I wish that were true, but I suspect that the American people have become too passive to resist a dictator. He won’t take over by force, but cloaked in legitimacy, just like Hitler and Mussolini did. Heck, you don’t even have to go back that far. That’s Putin’s playbook, too. A Republican President also has a Supreme Court that favors very strong presidential powers and a permanently divided and largely impotent Congress. No real resistance there.
So, what’s left? The police? American police would love having more power under a dictator. The public hates cops these days, and a dictator would restore their “rightful place” as respected and feared enforcers who will “clean up the streets”.
The military? Well, that’s a wild card. They may not support a dictator, but they also don’t want to start a civil war. I think a US dictator will give himself enough legal cover and legitimacy to convince the military to hang back from interfering in politics.
The most likely source of resistance is from individual states. However, I’m not sure what they can do, realistically. Secession would certainly start a civil war, which would play right into the dictator’s hands, giving him the perfect excuse to suspend rights and use the military for domestic purposes.
The military? Well, that’s a wild card.
Just want to mention Tommy Tuberville holding up military appointments. Unrelated I’m sure.
Despite claiming he will stop blocking such appointments, he is still going to continue blocking the appointments of 3 and 4 star generals.
I wished I could be so optimistic. They have had endless chances to reject him and haven’t. It’s almost like Putin has some leverage on a bunch of em lol.
He will get nominated, but hopefully my fellow Americans will not let him return to the white house.
Maybe instead he’ll just die while shitting on his gold toilet some time next year. Would be kinda nice.
As an American I think we’re fucked already.
Were fucked, We just get a 50% chance to choose what hole.
Yup, and Trump doesn’t have a choice. It’s looking more and more likely that he’s going to lose a lot of money and potentially face jail time. His only way out is to seize power. Since he’s backed himself into a corner, he’ll try everything to steal the next election, including another coup attempt.
I don’t personally think it’ll work, but on the slim chance it does many of us will be facing an existential threat which will require swift action. He’s already publicly stated that he sees leftists as vermin which need to be eradicated, and I, for one, don’t want to give him the chance to act on that threat.
Of course he has a choice.
He can choose facing the consequences of his actions.
If that’s unappealing, he can also choose to, let’s say, “pull an Epstein”.
Let’s not give him the benefit of saying this is the only “strategy” he has left, because that implies you can’t blame him for trying. Like any reasonable person in his position would do the same thing.
And that’s complete nonsense. He’s not an animal stuck in a bear trap, he’s a human being, who has been very open about his penchant for fascism long before he was charged.
He’s too much of a narcissist to pull an Epstein
I’m speaking pragmatically. Perhaps ‘choice’ wasn’t the best word.
He can choose facing the consequences of his actions.
If that’s unappealing, he can also choose to, let’s say, “pull an Epstein”.
I find both of these alternatives extremely unlikely, but here’s hoping.
Epstein did not kill himself.
Regardless it’s an option for him.
Nobody said otherwise.
If somehow, Trump managed to off himself despite constant monitoring by his secret service detail, what a shame that’d be.
I might have to take a day off of work just to celebrate.
The leftists need to learn how to use guns and own them. SocialistRA and liberalgunowners are communities that welcome leftist gun enthusiasts and new comers who want to learn for whatever reason.
There are plenty of “leftists” who own guns in the US.
They just don’t flaunt it around like the rightards do.
As evident by the 2 orgs I Listed in my comment. I’m aware, but most of the left aren’t gun owners, like 70%. I’m obviously not talking about the ones who already are.
Yeah and Donnie’s definition of leftist is anyone that isn’t actively deep throating his boot
Issue is, the whole world will be effected by it.
Hard to say what would have happened, but I feel like I was pretty much unaffected as an European the last time.
In Canada, we’ve seen a rise in Trump-like politics…
If that is the objective truth, then count yourself lucky for being a white, ethno-european, climate denier.
Yeah, probably wasn’t great for climate action, but that’s true for all conservative politicians not just the crazy ones. How did Trump affect whites and non-whites living in Europe differently?
Stuff and reasons, basically. But actually the worst thing he could do is try to leave or undermine NATO, and ditch Ukraine
This is the “best” America can push forward, we are already fucked. We were fucked 24 years ago.
We were fucked 24 years ago.
Exactly: that’s when the first coup (the Brooks Brothers Riot) succeeded.
The right wing in America has been sliding further right for a long time, and tending to drag the left along with it. (Nobody is under the impression that the US “left” isn’t actually center-right.) In the last decade, that rightward silde has accelerated. Trump, being the presumptive Republican nominee for president, is the “best” that the lunatic far right - not America - can push forward.
The Democratic party, representing the
leftcenter-right, is no longer allowing itself to be dragged further right. And there remains a fairly large proportion of people who still call themselves Republicans who oppose the burgeoning fascism. Those are the people who feel politically homeless right now; they just need someplace to go and someone to vote for. Liz Cheney is floating a third party run, and I think she’s easily able to consolidate “sane conservative” support.I was predicting that the Republican party would split back in 2015. I had no idea they would drag on like this for so long.
The right wing in America has been sliding further right for a long time, and tending to drag the left along with it.
See: Overton Window
What I find incredible is how mass shooters target other working class people. They don’t even know whose boot is on their neck.
I think you underestimate the security billionaires have.
Alice Walton had a DUI in 2011 that was not prosecuted. I wonder if her head of security was fired.
I dont understand American politics, but how can this cunt even be allowed to run for president after all the illegal shit he has been found guilty for?
Because America isn’t a country, it’s a bunch of corporations in a trenchcoat.
Literally. America started as the Massachusetts Bay Company, the Virginia Company, the Plymouth Company, Hudson’s Bay Company, the Ohio Company, etc. The Constitution is a corporate charter, voting rights were originally limited to company stake holders, it’s all office politics.
Was the Hudson Bay Company not limited to Canada?
Oop, you’re right.
But then again, what is Canada really if not a few mining companies pretending to be a country?
He hasn’t been found guilty of anything yet.
Doesn’t matter. Eugene Debs ran for president from jail.
He hasn’t been found guilty of anything yet.
Because America let’s a lot of things fly to see if it works, kind of like rolling dice at a casino. Just not at a trump casino
This guy is swirling the drain mentally. Another 11 months of this is why I think these polls are currently worthless.
Just the tip, I swear I won’t put it all the way in.
Ah yes, the “just the tip” of fascism.
