Next thing you tell me, Florida is going to have a sponsored showings of Songs of the South.
Is he going after Disney cause they put Sambo in the vault instead of building a statue at the park entrance?
Of course Florida would do this, they’re part of the “Mark of Cain” south.
That is: Southern Preachers maintained the horrific canon that black slaves would only survive as subservient to their white masters, because god had marked them. This is a big part of all the separations of churches during the civil war.
Let’s start by enslaving anyone supporting this policy and ask them after 5 years how beneficial they think it is.
5 years
50 years, and the enslavement of their children and grandchildren - that’s my minimum for an experiential evaluation.
Florida should just be removed from the rest of the US and continue to exist as an isolated island for assholes.
This may be one positive side effect of global warming.
Unfortunately due to Florida’s topography the peninsula will just shrink. So rather than an island, sea level rise will just push Floridan refugees north.
So conservatives should be very gung ho about enforcing border protection from this southern border.
Never to late to build another canal…I feel the shipping in the gulf of Mexico would benefit from a shorter route to the eastern ports.
This is one reason why government run schools are a bad idea. There’s an incentive for stupidity to be taught as fact for political gain.
Do you really think private schools in Florida would be less racist?
I think education would be better if politicians had nothing to do with it.
But corporations are okay?
Jesus fucking christ. Glad my family moved from that shit hole when I was a child.
At a certain point, eventually, the voters in Florida have to say enough is enough, right?
Can a state be majority racist, homophobic, anti woman and pro ignorance forever? Is that what 51% of Floridians really want?
Who controls the past controls the future.
Who controls the present now, controls the past.
I recognise RATM when I read it 🤘 🤘 🤘 🤘 🤘
This reminds me about that time Frank Burns learns about time zones.
It takes effort to educate yourself. Far too many people are happy to be comfortably dumb.
Oh my sweet summer child…
DeSantis won by less than 20k votes. There is no way this shitshow doesn’t prompt a big turnout yo oust him. Then we can expect more stolen election claim bullshit.
Not sure how you got <20k when he won by more than 1.5 million
Um…no. DeSantis won reelection by the largest margin in Florida in 40 years. He’s wildly popular, or at least was as of a couple years ago.
It might be worth noting that Florida has consecutive term limits for their governor (for now, anyway.) Desantis can’t run again this next election. (He can for the one after that, though.)
It’s what 40% of them want…they can buy the other 11%.
If it’s anything like Ohio it doesn’t matter what the majority wants. The republicans have drawn the maps so that they can control everything even with like 45% of the vote
At the very least it shouldn’t get them a republican governor.
Maps don’t, but vote suppression does
Maps absolutely do as does vote suppression. It can be both
Sorry, this was specifically about gubernatorial elections - unless you have some sort of weird state electoral college thing (which IIRC only exists in Mississippi and even there only sort-of), those are generally done with a statewide popular vote, and thus independent of district maps.
They could just change the state constitution to allow state legislature to appoint the governor.
the Florida state constitution requires a statewide vote to approve an amendment with 60% of the vote. If they couldn’t get a governor elected they couldn’t amend the constitution either.
By creating barriers in certain districts it’s going to disproportionally going to affect those people, for example long lines, changing someone’s voting district, removing someone’s registration. There are tons of ways.
Right. Voter suppression. That’s what they said.
Is that what gerrymandering is?
FL is literally filled with huge amount of morons from all over the country as a retirement haven. Rotten scumbags from all the other states.
Voters in Florida saying “That’s enough racism” is like me at the Olive Garden saying “That’s enough parmesan”. It’s never gonna happen without severe civil unrest.
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Olive Garden gives me civil unrest.
Olive Garden gives me unrest and the result is not civil.
DeSantis’ approval rating has fallen off a cliff, and is continuing to fall, albeit more slowly.
So likely yes, they’ll say enough is enough eventually, and I think we’ve already passed that point. Stuck with him for a while longer though.
Fascism is an ideology that rewards people for being the worst version of themselves.
With every evil act they perform they feel better about themselves. These people are just getting started.
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On the other hand, one side is adopting fascist methods and ideology while the other side are democrats. What Republicans are doing is using dilution language, and you’ve fallen for it .
Rewriting history to justify slavery is absolutely a fascist act.
Yeah my post wasn’t pointed at anybody here. Just made me think of all the instances where each side calls the other fascist. I think most of us here realize who the real fascists are…
Well, at best only half the people actually know what the word actually means.
Sad but true
It’s the horseshoe theory of politics. Both far ends of the spectrum have more in common with each other (being basically fascists) than they really have differences (different core issues they rally their fascism around).
Both only really look at the other’s extreme, and see fascism, but aren’t self aware enough to see their own. Or they dismiss their own as only the extremists, not realizing how this may apply to the other side.
Far from not knowing what fascism means, I suspect you don’t even know what left/right means. Unless you’re just doing a horseshoe theory bit.
This could be fun though.
Please compare and contrast the distinguishing features of “left fascism” vs “right fascism.”
I was really just doing a horseshoe theory bit. I’m willing to accept the downvotes since I didn’t feel like stating my personal thoughts on the current political situation added to the intent of that comment.
Edit: thanks for editing your comment after I replied. Though maybe it was just a delay in federating the edit. The only bit of “both sides” that I’ll say is that some people on both sides have attempted to silence nonviolent opinions. This really isn’t saying much, considering that in any large discourse some idiots will always do this on every side. One side is actually banning books and trying to rewrite history in blatantly false ways.
Well, thanks for owning up, but you know there are ppl who’ll read that and go “yeah those goddamn fascist lefties” without a second thought. Please don’t reinforce that.
As for violence… I think it’s worth considering when it would be justified, or even necessary as self-defense. As you say, one side is clearly the aggressor here.
I understand where you’re coming from on the first part, but I’m not sure how I feel about silencing anything that’s true as a strategy in… Anything. I get how it helps, and I’m not saying I don’t keep quiet on little things throughout life, but ideally I’d like to live in a world where wrongs are always acknowledged. The problem is getting people to understand the relative prevalence and weights of those wrongs in reality.
I struggle with my opinion on violent action all the time. A lot of the time I see nonviolent protest as increasingly irrelevant in the modern world. But I also worry about what society will be if we accept various levels of violence. I know it’s a slippery slope argument, but justifying anything can honestly be really easy, and any line we draw can be argued to be arbitrary. Currently I think rhetoric that’s inciting violence is something I’ll generally frown upon, and I lean towards accepting that that’s outside of a societally good right to free speech.
Being fascist on the right is not extreme. Look at the laws they’re passing. That is absolutely not the case for the left.
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Could you expand on that? I want to be clear that this isn’t a bOtH sIdEs argument I’m making here. I’m pointing out that “both sides” call each other the same thing but it’s clear to me that one side really is engaging in fascist acts while the other isn’t. The opposite of the bOtH sIdEs argument really…
Wow that is seriously messed up.
He knows “Meatball” wasn’t intended as aspirational, right?
Is “meatball” a reference to someone?
For a time DeSantis was called “Meatball Ron.”
When they elect their leaders, they aren’t sending their best. They’re sending the racist hateful assholes. The dredges of society.
Scary thought: What if this is the best they can muster? After all, there are plenty on the right who are actively calling for a race war and a Christian, white supremacist theocracy with anyone who isn’t white, straight, cisgender, Christian, and male as second class citizens (if those in charge are feeling generous).
Was it the whipping part? /s
I suppose if we’re being honest with ourselves, one benefit was getting to leave Africa and come to America. There seems to be a lot of people out here dying to illegally cross our borders.
Holy shit this is stupid. These people were forcibly taken from their homes, stacked like wood in the holds of ships where many of them died, then treated worse than animals when they got here. So no, that wasn’t a benefit.
Sounds like you’re from Florida though
No I’m just being provocative for the sake of conversation.
Overall I think their generational offspring’s lives are likely “improved” compared to maybe the similar generations who remained in their homeland these days.
However, those that were slaves definitely suffered a very unjust and horrific existence that is inexcusable.
No I’m just being provocative for the sake of conversation.
The activity you just described is called “trolling.”
I’m not sure I agree with you.
There has to be some validity to a point for it to be provocative. You’ve utterly failed there.
No I’m just being provocative for the sake of conversation.
Also known as “being an asshole”
Man, you must be a lot of fun to be around…
Seeing your replies to this and other comments, it’s clear you are loving all this attention. Classic troll behavior. Fuck directly off.
Trolls are the stupid person’s idea of an intellectual
Funny difference here is though that slaves were kidnapped and sold, had no choice in the matter.
This benefit is akin to force someone into hard labour and then start selling getting calluses as a ‘benefit’. Your welcome. Absurd of course.
For sure absurd. I’m just being provoking for the sake of conversation.
AKA being an internet edge lord
Whatever label helps your mind avoid total shutdown is fine with me.
You’re really doubling down on your stupidity, aren’t you?
You’re allowed to think whatever you want.
You’re a cool dude :)
Fuck you.
Being a troll doesn’t provoke “conversation.” It’s a dead end with people just calling you an asshole.
I mean, when you converse with highly reactionary and closed minded people, yeah. But having these types of conversations and exploring uncomfortable topics is actually very healthy for society. Censorship and pearl clutching tends to be regressive.
No one is censoring you. Your opinion is there for all to read. The consensus of the conversation seems to be that it was a bad one.
How is that a benefit? They were slaves taken from their homes not immigrants.
And even if they were immigrants, how is becoming a slave a good thing in any way?
Yeah it must have been really great to get kidnapped from your home and family and forcibly sold into slavery, shipped from one undeveloped country to another undeveloped country. Stop with this nonsense - there is nothing good about slavery. Period. Done. End of story. Absolutely sickening. Pure evil.
Yeah it’s not like ruining a country, you know, ruins a country. Who would think that.
Yeah what luck! America in 1619, with its gleaming cities and endless opportunities - every African aspired to be a member of those huddled masses yearning to breathe enslaved!
How about this, what if the millions of black people that were brought over to the states, instead remained in Africa and built it to be a prominent and thriving nation.
If it wasn’t for black slaves building the U.S. one could argue that it wouldn’t be where it is today.
The America they were forced to come to was vastly different from the one we live in today. How would that be better than where they already lived? How would someone benefit from being ripped from their family and support system and dropped in an undeveloped country to do forced labor?
They were taken hostage by African Tribes, sold to the Dutch, put on ships, shipped to North and South America, and forced into slavery. I don’t think you can compare that to migrants fleeing to Canada, who are trapped south of the United States border.
This is so vile I just gasped involuntarily. I hope someday you feel an ounce of shame, sheesh.
Yeah I’m sure the thousands of people who died in the hulls of slave ships, chained in place in their own piss and shit and sick, hungry and afraid, really appreciated the chance to come to America where the streets are paved with gold. You fucking moron.
My hope is that because this is such an obvious, stupid lie, it’ll inspire kids to question all of the other stuff in their history books too; even blue-state schools teach ridiculous lies about American history, my kids got all sorts of upbeat hokum about Columbus I had to correct them on.
I’ve met many shall I call them hopeful “job creators” that think by paying minimum wage it brings people out of poverty. They can be convinced of anything.
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At least a decade too late for that.
There aren’t really any good examples provided of what the article alleges, but I 100% believe this. I am dumbfounded that the people flinging “snowflake” as an insult has done all this to make sure their kids never feel bad for actions perpetrated by white US citizens. Of course, like anything else, it has nothing to do with their kids and everything to do with their own discomfort at facing reality or blatant racism. Frustrating stuff.
If you follow the links in the article, you can get to the actual curriculum itself. Scroll for a while and you’ll find this…
SS.68.AA.2.3 - Examine the various duties and trades performed by slaves (e.g., agricultural work, painting, carpentry, tailoring, domestic service, blacksmithing, transportation).
Benchmark Clarifications:
Clarification 1: Instruction includes how slaves developed skills which, in some instances, could be applied for their personal benefit.
And frankly, it’s not inaccurate. Slaves who worked as artisans were sometimes able to make money independently and even buy their own freedom from masters who allowed it. The absolute atrocity of the triangle trade and chattel slavery is not diminished by a lucky few, of course. The benefit of the skilled craftsmanship of enslaved people overwhelmingly went to their masters.
Thanks! Poor reading by myself. I appreciate it. Really based stuff. Thanks, Florida.
🤷♂️ It all depends on how the individual district & teacher implement it, of course. I’m not sure I trust Florida public schools to discuss that in a balanced way…
