Isn’t that why Song of the South got banned?
Florida is a shithole state. There will never be enough tax breaks to offset the Taliban-like human rights suppression that Republicans apparently require.
A co-worker went on a rant about how nobody talks about how it’s just heritage and the war wasn’t just about slavery. Also complaining that the customers complained about the confederate flag on his pickup so he had to take it down to avoid drama.
Even if his argument was in any way accurate, that flag clearly does not currently mean what he’s defending. I grew up in the south, went to college in the south, etc… If you want southern pride all over the place (I don’t see why you would be proud of that with how awful it’s going) then just fly your state flag. Certain parts have beautiful nature and culture that is absolutely great. The stars and bars have nothing to do with it. It’s not even accurate as a Confederate flag. A swastica on a flag is so outside of this “southern flag” idea that it should mean an immediate investigation of the people flying it.
My teachers were pretty cool and they made sure to refute any positive spins people tried to attribute to slavery. Some kids came in thinking slave owners treated their slaves just like family, and the teachers shut that right down.
I’m worried about the education system. I bet those same teachers would have gotten into trouble for saying that now, being that it is apparently against the curriculum. I always thought that outside media was misleading and that education was supposed to be the truth. Now it seems like education is misleading, and it is a scary scary thing that outside media might be leaned on to learn the truth.
Honestly some of them did. That doesn’t mean it’s a good thing. I mean have you seen how some people treat their family? But plenty of them were raped abused etc at the hands of their “owners”. US founding Fathers. I’m looking at you.
My family members are allowed to leave if they don’t want to be around me. Slaves, not so much.
While that’s true to a point. It’s not as meaningful. Technically slaves could run away too. People who are abused often find themselves trapped by things a lot of people who haven’t experienced it can’t imagine. It all seems so simple from the outside looking in. But it rarely ever is.
Yeah those runaways that were caught were either killed or made an example of with public torture. Runaways decided that between existing in slavery, being killed on the spot, being tortured, or maybe getting away was worth the risk. It was that bad that they risked everything. I can only imagine the bravery that was needed to decide.
They certainly did. And many children and young adults that seek to get away from abusive parents end up getting put back into the same abuse of situations and killed / tortured too. But we’re getting out in the weeds. And the downvoted circle jerk seems to imply that people are looking to be offended. Not have a discussion of any sort. Not that I ever tried to justify what Florida is doing I disagree with it intensely.
I think the issue with the downvotes is because you said that slaves could just run away. It comes across like you are simplifying the problem. I don’t want to assume that’s what was intended, it just doesn’t come across well. And, you are correct that modern times still have similar corruption. I just hope society on average understands why it’s not okay compared to back then.
It’s not that I’m trying to simplify the problem. It’s that they’re trying to be outraged and looking for something to justify it. It’s uncontroversial to say slaves could run away. The runaway/fugitive slave act were written to address it. The underground railroad to facilitate it.
My whole point initially, that being treated like family by a bunch of authoritarian, rape enablers. Isn’t the flex Republicans think it is. Everything else is comparable. Yes being considered property is worse than being family to an abuser. Well unless you were female and basically treated as property not all that many decades ago. Both are bad neither are good. But y’all wanna be outraged and see things that aren’t there. So have fun.
This clown has been in the news for a lot of stupid shit recently, but this is going too far. What the fucking fuck is happening? This isn’t even funny, it’s like a few steps away from trying bring back human slavery (which I’m sure the supreme court would have no problem with)
And the sad part is that DeSantis has no chance of getting elected as president. Nobody likes him and his hideous white boots. He’s probably doing stuff like this out of spite/malice.
Yeah the next logical step for Desatan is getting rid of prisons and opening work camps, with indentured servants.
it’s like a few steps away from trying bring back human slavery (which I’m sure the supreme court would have no problem with)
Undoubtedly, since slavery is still allowed in the constitution.
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Emphasis mine.
If at some point Trump gets charges that keep him from being the GOP headrunner, we’ll likely see Fox news turn to pushing Desantis in the other 49 states. He very quickly could turn into being liked by many Republicans
Need people from the GOP to start calling him out in hopes we can get people to hate him enough that even if Trump bows out neither are there
Next: being a literal corporate slave benefits you with a hovel, scraps, and beating to maintain character!
I suppose if we’re being honest with ourselves, one benefit was getting to leave Africa and come to America. There seems to be a lot of people out here dying to illegally cross our borders.
Yeah it’s not like ruining a country, you know, ruins a country. Who would think that.
Yeah what luck! America in 1619, with its gleaming cities and endless opportunities - every African aspired to be a member of those huddled masses yearning to breathe enslaved!
How is that a benefit? They were slaves taken from their homes not immigrants.
And even if they were immigrants, how is becoming a slave a good thing in any way?
Yeah it must have been really great to get kidnapped from your home and family and forcibly sold into slavery, shipped from one undeveloped country to another undeveloped country. Stop with this nonsense - there is nothing good about slavery. Period. Done. End of story. Absolutely sickening. Pure evil.
Yeah I’m sure the thousands of people who died in the hulls of slave ships, chained in place in their own piss and shit and sick, hungry and afraid, really appreciated the chance to come to America where the streets are paved with gold. You fucking moron.
Funny difference here is though that slaves were kidnapped and sold, had no choice in the matter.
This benefit is akin to force someone into hard labour and then start selling getting calluses as a ‘benefit’. Your welcome. Absurd of course.
For sure absurd. I’m just being provoking for the sake of conversation.
Being a troll doesn’t provoke “conversation.” It’s a dead end with people just calling you an asshole.
I mean, when you converse with highly reactionary and closed minded people, yeah. But having these types of conversations and exploring uncomfortable topics is actually very healthy for society. Censorship and pearl clutching tends to be regressive.
No one is censoring you. Your opinion is there for all to read. The consensus of the conversation seems to be that it was a bad one.
AKA being an internet edge lord
Whatever label helps your mind avoid total shutdown is fine with me.
You’re really doubling down on your stupidity, aren’t you?
You’re allowed to think whatever you want.
You’re a cool dude :)
Fuck you.
They were taken hostage by African Tribes, sold to the Dutch, put on ships, shipped to North and South America, and forced into slavery. I don’t think you can compare that to migrants fleeing to Canada, who are trapped south of the United States border.
How about this, what if the millions of black people that were brought over to the states, instead remained in Africa and built it to be a prominent and thriving nation.
If it wasn’t for black slaves building the U.S. one could argue that it wouldn’t be where it is today.
Holy shit this is stupid. These people were forcibly taken from their homes, stacked like wood in the holds of ships where many of them died, then treated worse than animals when they got here. So no, that wasn’t a benefit.
Sounds like you’re from Florida though
No I’m just being provocative for the sake of conversation.
Overall I think their generational offspring’s lives are likely “improved” compared to maybe the similar generations who remained in their homeland these days.
However, those that were slaves definitely suffered a very unjust and horrific existence that is inexcusable.
There has to be some validity to a point for it to be provocative. You’ve utterly failed there.
No I’m just being provocative for the sake of conversation.
The activity you just described is called “trolling.”
I’m not sure I agree with you.
No I’m just being provocative for the sake of conversation.
Also known as “being an asshole”
Man, you must be a lot of fun to be around…
Seeing your replies to this and other comments, it’s clear you are loving all this attention. Classic troll behavior. Fuck directly off.
Trolls are the stupid person’s idea of an intellectual
The America they were forced to come to was vastly different from the one we live in today. How would that be better than where they already lived? How would someone benefit from being ripped from their family and support system and dropped in an undeveloped country to do forced labor?
This is so vile I just gasped involuntarily. I hope someday you feel an ounce of shame, sheesh.
I was taught the standard American Exceptionalism package in the 1970s-1980s which included full throated endorsement of American
Imperialismspreading of freedom to undeveloped nations in exchange for sweet deals on their labor and resources.In the 90s I started figuring out they were lying to me all this time, when I was a credulous child.
And now I hold a bit of a grudge.
So maybe we can expect the next generation of Floridians to emerge knowing their own society gives them not a single fuck.
As someone who knows several teachers in Florida, the kids do not give a single fuck either. Wonder where they learned that from
I was a victim of the central Florida school system up to 8th grade in 96…I’m glad I finished school in the Mid-Atlantic region. Florida FUCKING sucks, and I have to say I’m kind of impressed at how terrible it continues to be.
Jesus fucking christ. Glad my family moved from that shit hole when I was a child.
My hope is that because this is such an obvious, stupid lie, it’ll inspire kids to question all of the other stuff in their history books too; even blue-state schools teach ridiculous lies about American history, my kids got all sorts of upbeat hokum about Columbus I had to correct them on.
I’ve met many shall I call them hopeful “job creators” that think by paying minimum wage it brings people out of poverty. They can be convinced of anything.
I was ignorant enough to support this kind of crap when I was younger. It’s never too late to turn your life around; please stop voting for these people.
Conservatives rant about the left “indoctrinating” kids to be gay or trans, but this shit is literal indoctrination. It’s fucking alarming. Like, normally I’d say stay the fuck outta places like Florida or Texas but at this point we need more liberals sent out to even out these psychos.
It’s hard when it starts at such a young age. I had it at home, church, and school. I didn’t start to change my thinking until my mid thirties, and even then it was painful because your entire reality starts to shatter.
It’s hard, painful, necessary, work. Which is four reasons most people avoid it. Thanks for fighting that fight.
My dumbass moved to Florida last year and I’m sure as shit going to try and do my best to push back against these Nazis.
Every accusation by a Conservative is admission of guilt
I still want to know where the pizza place is.
The pizza place was the friends we made along the way
It worries me to see others encouraging people to gtfo of those states because of these crazy laws, but I think that’s exactly what these politicians want. That way they will guarantee certain states to always be red during elections. But at the same time, how could you blame anyone for wanting to leave? It’s fucked up.
There aren’t really any good examples provided of what the article alleges, but I 100% believe this. I am dumbfounded that the people flinging “snowflake” as an insult has done all this to make sure their kids never feel bad for actions perpetrated by white US citizens. Of course, like anything else, it has nothing to do with their kids and everything to do with their own discomfort at facing reality or blatant racism. Frustrating stuff.
If you follow the links in the article, you can get to the actual curriculum itself. Scroll for a while and you’ll find this…
SS.68.AA.2.3 - Examine the various duties and trades performed by slaves (e.g., agricultural work, painting, carpentry, tailoring, domestic service, blacksmithing, transportation).
Benchmark Clarifications:
Clarification 1: Instruction includes how slaves developed skills which, in some instances, could be applied for their personal benefit.
And frankly, it’s not inaccurate. Slaves who worked as artisans were sometimes able to make money independently and even buy their own freedom from masters who allowed it. The absolute atrocity of the triangle trade and chattel slavery is not diminished by a lucky few, of course. The benefit of the skilled craftsmanship of enslaved people overwhelmingly went to their masters.
Thanks! Poor reading by myself. I appreciate it. Really based stuff. Thanks, Florida.
🤷♂️ It all depends on how the individual district & teacher implement it, of course. I’m not sure I trust Florida public schools to discuss that in a balanced way…
??? Seriously
When they elect their leaders, they aren’t sending their best. They’re sending the racist hateful assholes. The dredges of society.
Scary thought: What if this is the best they can muster? After all, there are plenty on the right who are actively calling for a race war and a Christian, white supremacist theocracy with anyone who isn’t white, straight, cisgender, Christian, and male as second class citizens (if those in charge are feeling generous).
This is one reason why government run schools are a bad idea. There’s an incentive for stupidity to be taught as fact for political gain.
Do you really think private schools in Florida would be less racist?
I think education would be better if politicians had nothing to do with it.
But corporations are okay?
