Cool that average FPS is better but:
The impressive FPS deltas aside, it should be mentioned that, with the exception of Arch Linux, average frame times (measured as 1% lows, in this case) on Linux were generally behind what Windows managed by up to 20%
I feel like worse 1% lows makes this title misleading. Hopefully with time this gap will close.
1 % lows are likely a driver thing (Nvidia calls it “Game Ready Drivers”), with Arch you’ll get new drivers (or kernel versions) much earlier, similar to Windows.
… Then why did they get the results that they did in the article?
The article specifies arch as an exception to that
…switching to Linux might be worthwhile for gamers on the move looking to eke out every last drop of performance from the ROG Ally or Lenovo Legion Go.
So they’re talking about the ROG Ally and Lenovo Legion Go not a desktop PC or a laptop. Nice clickbait.
I’m on a desktop running Pop and I bet my system performs better than an equal Windows system. These handhelds are actual PCs, bud.
Okay. But it’s still a clickbait title. Seeing how they said nothing handheld PCs in the title.
The article is referencing a benchmark that was run on desktop hardware so not clickbait. Likely they mentioned the handhelds in the article for ref link revenue.
Funny how they didn’t put in the article. Yet, I’m in the wrong thinking it’s about handheld PCs.
Nope, from the Tom’s Hardware source:
ComputerBase’s testing was done on an all-AMD test rig, featuring a Ryzen 7 5800X (non-3D) and a Radeon RX 6700 XT.
It’s still relevant that this was not running on a Nvidia GPU, IMO, but not about handheld PCs.
So you have to going to another article to get the full story. gg notebookcheck.net.
Also can you link the Tom’s Hardware article.
It’s linked as the source of the article in this link. I would have preferred OP link to it directly, assuming the actual source being in German was a dealbreaker, but it’s still linked alongside the TH at the bottom of this one.
I am not sure why you’re so adamant about a quote in the article that doesn’t say this is about handhelds and getting defensive about a source that is in fact linked in the same article.
For the record, also plainly stated in both articles, the differences in performance are fairly small in all runs, exempting one or two outliers, and seemingly the Windows 1% lows were higher. Despite the Linux fans’ overreporting these results, “Proton run good” is not an unexpected result.
the article that doesn’t say this is about handhelds
If we are talking about the Notebook Check article. The last paragraph is not helping you. Seeing that’s the only time they talk about hardware in the article. Just helps the confusion.
getting defensive about a source that is in fact linked in the same article.
All I did is ask for a link.
No, the last paragraph says that these results (seen on a desktop PC) suggest that if you’re on lower powered hardware (like a handheld) you may want to ditch the preinstalled Windows and try a Linux install to get a bit more performance.
Which is very debatable on a couple of counts, including the worse 1% lows, the fact that these desktop GPU results may or may not carry over to low TDP AMD APUs and that there’s no guarantee that you’ll get support for other custom features like the Legion Go’s funky detachable controllers. But that’s what it’s saying, not that the results are about handheld performance.
As for the other thing, man, you’re all over this thread being weirdly hostile, All I’m saying is you don’t have to be. This isn’t a big deal, the article isn’t clickbait and nobody is out to get you. There are actually enough things here that are interesting to debate without trying to make this about some weird journalism standards thing. Some of them are even about how shaky some of the reporting is, if that’s your angle. It’s just… not for the reasons you’re getting all worked up about.
They are just PCs though…? It’s just a different form factor.
Out of touch comment.
Handheld PCs are PCs.
They’re literally just PCs. They aren’t some mysterious thing. They’re using the same architectures a laptop or desktop would.
The article talks about those mobile systems, but the actual benchmark on Computerbase tested these on a desktop.
Ryzen 7 5800X
Scythe Mugen 5 cooler
Asus ROG Strix B550-A Gaming
32BG DDR4-3600-RAM (CL18-22-22-44)
Sapphire RX 6700 XT Nitro+
Tested @ 1080p 144Hz, Freesync Off
Linux bros will take anything.
Microsoft bros in denial.
Linux runs windows software faster than Windows can run Windows software.
You don’t need to get upset by that. You don’t owe MS anything. Be happy that more people can game.
Imagine being this tribalistic over an OS. Get a hobby.
Other way around, mate. I’m not the one crying and coming up with excuses and whatabouts when OS A does better than OS B in a benchmark.
Microsoft has done nothing for you. They don’t love you. They’re a 2.8 trillion dollar company. They can get by without you carrying water for them.
Get a hobby.
Literally never said anything of the sort.
Please go outside and get out of this toxic thinking. It’s not healthy for you.
Sure you didn’t.
I hope no more benchmarks offend you in the future.
Bye now.
You got offended. And several others it seems. By a joke, which you then immediately proved to be an accurate description of Linux users.
This is why more people don’t make the switch.
OP I love your username
Death, taxes and this post on Lemmy
i just saw this for the first time and it brought me joy
What do the performance metrics look like for the games that won’t run on Linux?
About the same as Spiderman 2 or Ghost of Tsushima on Windows.
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That’s the point they were trying to make. It was a facetious question.
(They were not serious)
you mean the rootkits that won’t run on Linux?
When did ‘rootkit’ come to be a generic term for invasive software? Rootkits are a specific type of thing.
Because “rootkit” sounds more ominous and scary than “kernel level anticheat” and the communities complaining about such things aren’t known to keep hyperbole to a minimum. Gotta push that FUD.
This article for instance, using language that insinuates a huge gap in performance between the Linux distros and windows, when it’s a 6% difference between the best and the worst, on one set of hardware.
If it has kernel level access and can run arbitrary code, that’s a rootkit.
It’s absolutely valid to call these systems rootkits.
Anticheats that run in the NT kernel may as well be described as rootkits, especially as they aren’t transparent about exactly what they’re doing. Then there’s the question of what happens if they get compromised
Vanguard, BattlEye, EasyAntiCheat, Ricochet, etc… all run in the Windows Kernel and most, if not all, have the functionality to run arbitrary code, so might as well class them as rootkits.
Is fantastic
1 day cannot pass without this article getting reposted across various communities.
As someone on Linux, and who thinks performance is generally slightly better on my machine after switching, I totally agree. This post has been old for a while now. Get some more data and then post that new thing or stop posting it.
Yeah, these are getting really annoying.
I swear people just scroll through lemmy, see a post they like and then think to themselves, “this is cool, I should post this on lemmy!”
It’s okay. Lemmy isn’t a wiki. Content is organized temporally. Imagine these conversations as bar conversations (just because one group had a conversation one night, doesn’t mean another group can’t repeat it the next). If you are annoyed that the algo keeps giving you the same stuff, sort by All and New Comments and you’ll find niche communities to subscribe to.
A Lemmy option to hide posts of links already red in another post would be neat. (First time I see this one though)
expect more and more of these headlines as linux gaming matures in the next few years.
windows is overbloated garbage
This has been reposted enough to where I’m going to start blocking accounts that continue to post it 😎
I think it’s a combination of reposting on Lemmy, multiple communities posting similar stories, and news sites regurgitating results from other sites like it’s fresh news.
Agree. My gripe with this article is that I’ve seen it posted on ~6+ communities. I love that Linux is beating windows in gaming benchmarks, but I think the title sensationalizes it the out performance a slight bit.
Aww I’m sorry you’re stuck in Windows, bud.
Lol, you might misunderstand my issue with the constant repost. I get it. Reading comprehension is hard!
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It sounds like you’re referring to cross-posting?
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Well shucks, bud
I’m not deep on how the core of an OS works, but to my understanding, the kernel of linux should be more robust and reliable, shouldn’t it always be performing better than windows on the same hardware?
Where could I read information on the things that hinder performance on linux, does anybody have any educational resources?
On Linux, you run windows programs through wine, which is an additional layer that can theoretically slow down the program.
Also, windows supports certain constructs like io completion ports or WaitForMultipleObjects that historically haven’t been emulated efficiently on Linux since it lacked comparable primitives, although those specific ones have been greatly improved in recent years with io_uring and FUTEX_WAIT_MULTIPLE.
There have been similar issues with direct3D since wine used to have to emulate it in OpenGL, but with vkd3d, wine has more opportunities to efficiently implement the d3d apis.
Basically wine being slower was the norm until quite recently.
Thanks to the one crazy guy valve contracts making proton… It’s crazy how his work basically made gaming on Linux a thing. But yeah the other major thing, which you mentioned, is games/game engines using directX9, directX10 and directX11 (the windows 3d graphics libraries) have their API/rendering calls mapped directly to Vulkan. Those APIs were easier to use but from my understanding (I’m no graphics expert) didn’t have the ability to use the full potential of the hardware, and basically had a single channel/thread to the GPU. DirectX12 and Vulkan are much more difficult to use, and some games have used them horribly such that DX11 performs better than DX12, but a good implementation can take advantage of multichannel/multithreaded communication to the GPU allowing much faster and efficient data transfer. They allow the engine programmer to have much more control of the hardware. So vkd3d/proton gives that massive performance impact by mapping the graphics calls from an older API to a newer one. I have not looked into how it’s implemented but it’s basically magic. This was the main reason why wine kinda sucked for gaming before proton.
The Windows scheduler is actually pretty decent, it’s been a few years since I looked into it but I think Windows soft-real time scheduling was better than the one Linux used, though idk if games even use that.
The thing holding Linux back, mostly just for online games with anticheat, is anticheat developers reluctance to port to Linux. I believe do to the differences between users pace and kernel space on Windows VS Linux makes bypassing the anticheat on Linux much easier, or the anticheat can use the same tricks that it does on windows.
I’ve heard that Linux’s task scheduler is just much better than windows’, so it kinda makes sense that all would beat Windows.
A scientific judgement for sure.
I wonder if they did these tests using ray tracing or not. On my AMD 7900xt in Cyberpunk, ray tracing under linux is practically unusable levels of performance compared to windows .
radv is gradually catching up with amdvlk in terms of rtrt perf. could be worth using amdvlk for raytacing for now, though
Safe bet, they didn’t. Seeing they’re talking about the ROG Ally and Lenovo Legion Go.
It actually works flawlessly, except for those windows only games of those ones with anticheat bullshit. Especial on AMD, as all the drivers are baked into the kernel and it’s literally plug and play.
I dual boot arch and windows 11 at home. In World of Warcraft arch is behind, and I haven’t figured out what the problem is. Something just feels off with it. With any luck they’ll continue to improve compatibility. (likely Nvidia driver diff)
