Not familiar with the discourses except he/him and from river to the sea.
Can someone please ELI5?
Short(ish) version- "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free,” pro-Palestinian activists from London to Rome and Washington chanted in the volatile aftermath of Israel’s bloodiest day. Adopting or defending it can be costly for public figures, such as U.S. Rep. Rashida Tlaib, who was censured by the House on Tuesday.
Longer version- https://apnews.com/article/river-sea-israel-gaza-hamas-protests-d7abbd756f481fe50b6fa5c0b907cd49
That’s the bit he said said he did understand
TLDR; Hamas adopted the slogan in 2012. Jewish people say it is a call to genocide saying “Have no doubt that Hamas is cheering those ‘from the river to the sea’ chants, because a Palestine between the river to the sea leaves not a single inch for Israel.”
It is a call to genocide, because Hamas is an openly genocidal organization, just like the current government of Israel.
Bud light made a few special cans for an ad with a transgender woman, people got mad and started boycotting budweiser. Age gaps in dating are discouraged because there can be power/knowledge imbalances that lead to the younger person being taken advantage of, though I’d say that a gap of 3 years at that age is not a big power imbalance. Body count usually refers to the total number of people someone has had sex with.
Bud light had some pro lgbt advertisement
This guy got that ohio skibidi rizz.
You know it’s interesting how in touch I am considering how out of touch I am. I want to be a part of the cultural zeitgeist so I can get jokes, and talk to people, and generally be alive and understand what’s going on in the world, but at the same time it’s truly exhausting. I dunno, I think as I’ve understood how much “the culture” is just pioneered by like, some 12 year old somewhere brainlessly chaining nonsense words together, the more I find myself wanting to disengage. See, and then, that’s not even real, because “the culture” no longer exists. You get viral memes that are spewed forth on their ability to masquerade as “the culture” without actually being it. I’m sure some stupid kid somewhere talks like they’re a terminally online brainrotted weirdo, and that kid should probably stop being on the internet, but to say that this stupid kid is “the culture”, is false. This isn’t the case.
Everyone just collectively hallucinates some fake thing in their head that they can be mad or find funny or both. There is no “culture” anymore. There’s just a bunch of atomized communities who independently do whatever they do, and then somehow everyone has cultural osmosis knowledge of a mr beast video because they know someone who knows someone who watches it and they have to have an opinion on everything. I want the ride to stop, I want to get off! I want the ride to stop now! I would like to go back to rage comics please!
As an autistic man in his early 20s, I’ve never been “with it” and I don’t want to. I just live my life and enjoy it.
I’m kind of the same, but I like to study what “it” is, you know? what even is “it”? And I still don’t know.
I just like saying YEET 😆
Thanks, you just summarized my feelings about this in two paragraphs.
Also rage comics were the golden age. :-D
le browsing lemmy
They were annoying too.
Ignorance.
I can’t tell whether this particular person is real, but I fully believe that there are thousands such people, if not more, in every developed country. I count myself among them. My social media interaction, other than Lemmy and Reddit, is limited to reading and writing 1000+ words long blog posts. I recently left our company’s Christmas party after an hour when I realised I had nothing to talk about with the others - I don’t know the current trends in movies, TV or music, and nobody in my work shares my interests. So, I may be perceived as just as weird (or endearing, as the ending suggests), even though I see myself as perfectly normal.
Not being able to relate to peers your age is fine but also not something to be proud of imo
I think there are a ton of people who just aren’t very online.
I envy them
Tbh me too, but i develop websites for a living, so it wouldn’t even be an option.
My horseshit detector is beeping like crazy 🤔🤔
We have folks like this at my firm.
I wouldn’t say that, because I honestly don’t know what most of these things are, except the pronouns and I guess bodycount means the sex.
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Pretty sure they mean that this post is “rage bait” or something similar - controversial content that is designed to provoke arguments in the comments section. For example, the “from the river to the sea” comment could provoke comments about the war in Gaza. Or the entire post could provoke arguments about whether it is good or bad to participate in social media.
Oh… understood. Here I was reading the narrative, not looking for bait to rage about. Thanks friend
For example, the “from the river to the sea” comment could provoke comments about the war in Gaza.
Oh my god, I thought it was a Frozen 2 reference. I’m such an idiot. And I don’t have the excuse of not following the news lol
“That’s bait”
Lol thx, still don’t get it
They mean ‘this is a made up story that is exists because it encourages engagement with itself.’ Social media has done fucking numbers on the commodification and quantification of social interactions as a result of letting the internet be dictated by mostly unfettered advertising and capitalist priorities.
A real human bean, and a real… hero.
A bean, you say?
I would give my left arm for this level of innocence… or maybe my frontal lobe.
This is funny but I have a slight feeling that it’s made up
The one that seems slightly unbelievable to me is the “body count”. Unless he didn’t know what it’s used for now and was trying to play it off as a joke.
I only recently heard about this one. But I’m decently older than 23.
… What is it used for now? I have a guess, but if correct, I’ve never heard it used that way.
Number of people you’ve slept with.
Body count is how many different people you’ve had sex with. Or how many you’ve murdered, but usually at a get-together it’s the first one.
The first one was my guess, but I’ve sincerely never heard it used that way.
The second one is the way I’ve heard it used before.
Thank you for the answer.
If you have to ask, it’s probably 0.
Don’t worry, the key is to just start counting on your fingers.
Good. You should doubt.
You Really Think Someone Would Do That? Just Go On the Internet and Tell Lies?
I could buy this being a true story. Modern social media contravorcy is getting so ridiculous even I who passively takes part ends up out of the loop on occasion. Just imagine what is happening to someone who doesn’t take part in Twitter or tick tock at all.
Just imagine what is happening to someone who doesn’t take part in Twitter or tick tock at all.
Shouldn’t that be most of us? I don’t use those garbage websites or their apps.
There are no posts from this user on that subreddit so there’s that.
https://old.reddit.com/r/redscarepod/search?q=Author%3Abengalroute47&restrict_sr=on
Good find. Searching “my coworker is so unaware” on Google shows a deleted thread on r/casualconversation so who knows.
We need more people like Alex
Ignorant and complacent? Alex would be a Nazi sympathizer.
Honestly I just want more people who don’t know what “body count” means.
I agree with this. It’s shames people who aren’t promiscuous.
Edit: orrr we can say it degrades those who haven’t had a fuckton of sexual partners… you like that description better??
Ew. I don’t quite like your framing any better
I thought they were implying he was a serial killer. But comments further down show that is not the case.
Most reddit comment
I’m willing to wager that Alex is a het cis white man - and this post describes that privilege that this phenotype sometimes angrily exclaims does not exist.
I wish I could be this ignorant and my life not be affected by remaining ignorant.
Explains the down votes.
What DOES from the river to the sea mean?
Edit: thank you all for helping me/us understand more about this.
A call to genocide basically.
That’s a questionable headline considering it was police interpreting an existing law (no courts or legislator has weighed in on the incident in the article). Read a better source here: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/10/germany-gaza-protests-crackdown
police interpreting an existing law
That’s what the police does. They enforce the law as they understand it.
You’re right that it hasn’t been tested in court, but that only happens when someone challenges it in court.
It’s also important to note that Germany does not have absolute free speech, there are several anti-hate-speech and anti-nazi laws that limit that right, and the police can and does enforce that frequently.
My issue was with the headline and the article not making anything clear. You’re not repeating the headline in your argument so I think we’re done here.
Lazy troll is lazy
Borders of Palestine. Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea.
From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.
From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.
Israeli colonialism? It’s not a difficult concept ig you stop trying to deflect any criticism of Israel by calling it antisemitism.
You’d have a great point if they said: Gaza and Westbank will be free, but they’re not saying that. They’re saying “from the river to the sea”. A quick glance at the map will teach you that this includes the entire internationally recognized territory of Israel where about 7 million jews live, who are not colonists.
So what people actually mean when they say that they want that area to be free is that they want it to be free of jews. And that my friend, is a call to genocide, also not a difficult concept.
who are not colonists.
Okay so you’re either a troll or just an idiot. Given you keep trying to make me out to be an antisemite because that’s the standard, and frankly only, zionist shill tactic I’m going to with the former.
But just in case you are just an idiot: all of Israel is stolen land, its a country founded by Jewish colonists that unilaterally declared independence. Every single Israeli is a coloniser and Palestinians calling for their stolen land to be given or taken back are no worse than Indians who wanted their freedom from the British.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_land_purchase_in_Palestine?wprov=sfla1
It’s really no use for anyone to view this conflict as black and white as you seem to do.
What is your point? It being a purchase makes them not settlers or not colonial?
So the Americans weren’t settlers because they purchased louisiana and Alaska?
Or to continue my India comparison, the British East India Company weren’t colonialists because they purchased land in India?
Is that really the implication you want to make here?
Okay so you’re either a troll or just an idiot. Given you keep trying to make me out to be an antisemite because that’s the standard, and frankly only, zionist shill tactic I’m going to with the former.
I never called you an antisemite, and I’d prefer it if you didn’t call me names like “troll”, “idiot” or “shill” either.
But just in case you are just an idiot: all of Israel is stolen land, its a country founded by Jewish colonists that unilaterally declared independence. Every single Israeli is a coloniser and Palestinians calling for their stolen land to be given or taken back are no worse than Indians who wanted their freedom from the British.
That is a very lopsided reading of the history of how the state of Israel came to be. There is a lot more nuance to that story, and I’d advise you to dig a bit deeper into it so that you can free yourself from the prejudices and dogma that you’ve become a victim to. /u/[email protected] 's comment below is a good start.
But even if your story were completely true, your argument still ignores the fact that the majority of those 7 million jews who are living there right now are 2nd, 3rd, or 4th generation immigrants who had nothing to do with that story other than being born in Israel. Any “from the river to the sea” solution will have to involve forcibly getting rid of them. There is no way to do that without committing genocide against those people.
Just because you inferred it rather than outright saying it, does not mean the accusation didn’t happen. Which is another tactic commonly used by trolls, so I’m now pretty sure you’re just being a dickhead for your own entertainment and don’t actually give a shit about this situation. Further proof of this is the classic: “what you said is wrong. I’m not going to tell how its wrong or whT the ‘right’ version is, just go do more research, lol” and I’m willing to bet I’ve read more accounts of the history of this conflict from both sides involved and external 3rd parties than you have.
And that’s classic colonialist apologism, “well they had kids here so the land belongs to them now.” Like should we consider the Russian invasion of Ukraine. There will have been thousands of Russians born in occupied Crimea by now. Does that mean that land belongs to Russia? Is invading a country completely acceptable as long as you hold on to it long enough for someone to have a kid?
But yes, decolonisation does require the removal of the colonising party. If they can’t return to their country of origin or their parents/grandparents country of origin, then they will need to legally immigrate/become citizens of Palestine. Its the same thing that’s happened in literally every case of decolonisation, leave or integrate into the new free state. It’s just given how Israel has treated the Palestinians I can’t imagine many Jews would want to be part of Palestine and face those consequences.
There’s a pretty good Wikipedia article on it
As mentioned, it’s the Jordan River to the Mediterranean. It’s been used by Palestians since at least the mid 60s in a number of different chants, e.g. “from the river to the sea Palestine will be free/Arab/Islamic” (technically, the latter two are “from the water to the water” because otherwise the Arabic doesn’t rhyme).
Hamas’s charter says
Hamas rejects any alternative to the full and complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea
While Netanyahu’s far-right Likud party’s 1977 manifesto says
between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty
It’s historically been somewhat controversial, with Zionists typically saying that it calls for the destruction of the state of Israel and/or the expulsion of Jews from the area. CNN fired a political commentator for saying it ~5 years back, and it’s regulated as hate speech in some places in Europe. Most pro Palestinian activists think that’s ridiculous, but it’s worth being aware of.
I mean the original charter for Hamas also mentioned ‘killing the Jews’ but I’m sure it was a side point 🤔😅
The current charter specifically makes a point of saying that that’s not what they want though. Makes a point out of dragging a distinction between Jewish people (they don’t have a problem with) and the Zionist project (which they do have a problem with
I’m pretty sure they took out the genocide part just because it is a bit derivative. They’re committed to peaceful protests I agree.
…I learned it from this comment section too. Had no idea.
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My coworker is so unaware of modern cultural discourse it’s hilarious, submitted by /u/BengalRoute47 to /r/redscarepod
He’s 23. He doesn’t use TikTok, Instagram, or Twitter. His favourite drink is Bud Light and was confused when an old dude at work asked him why he still supports them. He’s dating a 20 year old college junior which isn’t much of an age gap to most people but you already know that bothers a very loud subsection of the population. He saw someone wearing a sweater that says “From the River to the Sea” and asked which ocean the sweater was referring to; he’s a huge cartography nerd. When he saw a manager put he/him pronouns in a sent email, he was confused and asked me “what does that mean? I thought he was already a man?”. We had a bit of a coworker get together one day and played drunk truth or dare. Someone asked him what is body count was. His response was “I played MW3 a lot when I was 10 or o it’s definitely somewhere in the hundreds”
Never change Alex. Love you man
He is living the life.
What is “body count” in this context? Does it mean your number of sexual partners? If so, that’s very dismissive and reductive.
Also weird that they were asked that at a coworker get together
Yes and yes
Sex is fun, and meeting new fun people is great.
Referring to them as “body count” is neither
Not going to list names when I’m asked about my experiences, unless I’m having that conversation with a SO.
Being respectful of people in general is important. Whatever phrasing that allows me to talk about myself and keeps the other involved people anonymous is fine by me.
Why don’t call them partners, for instance? How’s that not anonymous?
It’s to remove the concept of relationships. Stay disconnected from other humans, just get your pleasure and move along.
Well, that’s just awful, thanks.
The one thing from the redpills that spilled over to normal people.
