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Yo Arch users. Try daily driving Linux From Scratch. I dare ya. Let’s see what you’re really made of.
Been there. Done that.
Welcome friend. Welcome to hell.
I still install manually just out of habit
I never had success with archinstall, just the regular installation.
It’s kinda weird, actually.
I use EndeavourOS and it works without issues.
Jeee EOS gang!
do mental outlaw’s method
Ngl that’s where I’ve learned about archinstall
Shout out to Julia from Drawfee on youtube for the bottom art. It’s Bobby.
I came looking for your comment. Julia birthed a meme
One of many. Merobiba is still one of my faves.
No!! Julia!! That’s Bobby Hill??
The room is in shambles.
The room full of vampires?
“from scratch”
It’s like a page worth of instructions you can follow verbatim excluding bootloader and network. If you watch one video of someone doing it to fill those gaps there is nothing to it.
Source: I watched Kai Hendry speed install arch, bookmarked the video and all my machines are now arch “from scratch” in 10 minutes or less of actual keyboard time.
Mental Outlaw also has the great guide explaining the install step-by-step in a great detail
except he doesn’t talk about the difference in bootloader installation for uefi
Touche
I don’t remember the channel anymore, but there’s one guy constantly updating various setups. Like Arch with encryption, Arch with BTRFS, etc. I started with one of those videos and wrote my own step by step guide. Now I’m just following my own guide whenever I install Arch.
I wouldn’t dare do that. If my own guide becomes outdated I’d have wasted time and effort. But to each their own. 👍
I think calling it “a page worth” is understating it somewhat, especially if you want a full install to actually use stuff. In reality, when installing at first, you’ll be finding stuff you missed for a while, like hardware video decoding.
Also, are you referring to just the direct instructions for one choice? Because to me, the point of installing manually is educating yourself on the choices, choosing one that suits you, and understanding what you’re doing to set it up. Of course, when you’re doing subsequent installs, you already know that stuff - but at that point you might just want to write an install script instead of running them manually.
I think it depends what you want out of it.
The arch install from the ISO is a layered process. You can always add more, but a bootable install is not much over a page away. I do like to pick what’s best for me, but that’s not a prerequisite for first install. Do it, take notes, refine, and repeat.
I don’t have an installer or anything, but I have pretty comprehensive notes of what I like (bootctl vs grub, network-manager vs systemd-networkd and friends, and so on). But to have a system that boots and optionally has a desktop environment of your choosing is not exactly a Rubik’s cube of difficulty.
The new / rewritten arch install is fantastic. The btrfs layout, with encryption, really nice experience and end result.
archinstall is actually good now though I’ve used it
I love arch but I actually haven’t used it since before they added the arch install. I can’t imagine how much easier it is cause it’s still the terminal. The “manual” install was easy as hell
It’s much easier. Just make some choices and it installs. Honestly can’t call it the terminal if it lets me choose options with arrow keys.
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is installing debian an acceptable solution(s)? :D
debian ♥️
Debian is always acceptable solution
I don’t know the current state of Debian installation. But not too long ago, installing Arch Linux felt much easier lmao
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I’m a big proponent of using tools you already know how to use, so long as you aren’t making things needlessly harder for yourself by doing so
Where are these random breaks?
I usealias update='yay -Pw ; pacman -Syu ; yay -Syu'to update and never encountered one.python version bump always broke a handful of aur packages for at least a couple days for me. In general tho, all my problems were related to aur packages not getting updated at the same rate as official repos.
switched to nixos and avoided that entire class of problems
I don’t use Arch but if I did id probably go with archinstall. I don’t see the point in going from scratch unless you absolutely need to. I could care less about bragging rights for installing an operating system lol.
I just don’t bother going for archinstall when regular installation “from scratch” takes 5 minutes (or 15, if you do it the first time). It is not scary and extremely simple, contrary to memes. Besides, it makes you understand the processes involved.
Archinstall is just a little, nice helper to shorten and simplify installation even more.
You mean “couldn’t care less”. The way you’ve written it means that you do care a bit since you “could care less”.
It’s not about bragging rights, all you do is follow instructions. I just do it that way because I can set everything up exactly how I like it
I was going through some stuff and installing Arch from scratch was the only way I could feel anything at all.
Every now and then I see that laptop and think "I should keep going and install those power management scripts ". Then I think “nah”.
NixOS is the new Arch… (cat, meet pigeons) Unfortunately It doesn’t have as much basic training as Arch did (which archinstall obviates, not that I think this is a bad thing, it’s time is here), which did so much to improve community. Unfortunately NixOS’s doco is woeful, while ArchWiki is gold standard.
I say this as an ex Arch type who moved to Fedora, now ublue-kinoite, waiting for Nix to mature enough to daily (although I do have a T440p with 3 boot drives not doing much, hmm)…
NixOS is the new Arch…
Yeah nah, arch has an actual use case for normal users - it’s just the same old Linux with the most recent packages.
Nix and guix simply don’t work as distros for regular people. They’re made for scientific and corporate applications. They add a huge amount of complexity in order to solve problems you don’t have.
Nixos is like rust: hyped into the stratosphere by people who don’t use it
I say this as an ex Arch type who moved to Fedora, now ublue-kinoite, waiting for Nix to mature enough to daily
I’m running guix in fedora as a PM. You get most of the benefits, and can still use other PM’s like npm without crying for a week first. Although imo guix works better in that scenario since you can just “guix install X” and then use X like any other binary.
