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I can hear the conspiracies already!
The wave forms of 6G will physically break the ankles of birds in flight and neuter your dog through the roof of the house. Yoghurt will never taste the same and your feet will go up two sizes forcing you to buy new shoes. The writing is clearly on the wall.
It’s not even out yet and it’s making my back hurt!
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"This is an important research question because we can see mobile traffic going up over the next decade by a factor of 10 or even a factor of 20. "
Wtf are they going to do with that? Always-on video from wireless devices everywhere? Holographic movies on every web page? It sounds terrible. I remember having to make phone calls for basic communication. These days you send a text or email, except now and then you want the higher bandwidth of a voice call. That is, we have been moving toward LESS bandwidth rather than more.
Whatever is imagined being done with all the new bandwidth can’t be good.
Wtf are they going to do with that?
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Your personal usage does not align with the majority. Look at tiktok, it’s social media based around endless video files. It’s not an occasional text or email, it’s hundreds of videos that your constantly scrolling through.
The carriers love to brag about high capacity and fast speeds but they’re still unwilling to deliver the bandwidth. They’re all advertising “unlimited” data but if you scroll TikTok for a while they’ll block your line for “excessive” data usage or throttle you down to 256kb/s.
I’ve only had this happen when using my phone as a hotspot
OK, good point. Are people using mobile data for that? Yes you’re right I’m not on social media etc. Also I’m on a super cheap mobile plan with enough monthly data to check email and look at some occasional web pages, but if I want to watch a video I almost always use home internet for that. I guess if this super high bandwidth mobile stuff kills Comcast though, some good will have come out of it. The Register article talks mostly about IoT and “AI/ML” rather than social media though.
Is 5g mobile data cheaper for the end user than 4g in practice? The sticker prices and advertised data caps for monthly plans look to me to be about the same as before, but maybe more of the data cap is usable in practice.
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OK, good point. Are people using mobile data for that?
Unlimited data. You do whatever you want, whenever you want, wherever you want.
I haven’t seen any carriers charging extra for 5g but I don’t see why it would be more expensive since the quicker you’re done using the data the quicker the tower can serve someone else.
That’s what I mean, it seems to cost as much as before. I was hoping to hear that it had gotten a lot cheaper, not stayed the same. Ideally, it should be pervasive and free, but I don’t mind in that case if it is relatively slow.
Every “unlimited” mobile plan I’ve heard of has fine print that says it slows to a crawl after some amount. I don’t know if the real limits are different in practice, so I was asking about that.
Every “unlimited” mobile plan I’ve heard of has fine print that says it slows to a crawl after some amount. I don’t know if the real limits are different in practice, so I was asking about that.
These days you just get “deprioritized” instead of a hard throttle on most unlimited plans after reaching the amount. Deprioritized means the network treats your data as less important so if the tower gets congested it’ll slow down otherwise it’s still full speed.
At work we have phones that are web crawlers and they each use 50+ gigs of data per month so they’re well within the deprioritized zone. But even then they still get really good speeds unless the network is super congested for some reason.
The real problem is that people are too lazy to read. Endless video, who is tiktok targeted to? This is bad news for attention spans and your ability to work. Just try to look at how much information you can retain from a video compared to a paragraph of text.
Just make a nationwide 10gb fiber optic service it’s like 5 times cheaper.
Don’t you watch HDR movies in 4K on the go? Ok, not 4K, but people stream a lot of HD videos all the time. As well as stream from their phone cameras to Facebook and Twitch. Another issue is that high density cities have way too many people trying to do all this high bandwidth stuff at once.
And video calls. Don’t forget video calls.
How much extra do I have to pay to not be in video calls? I almost never watch videos while mobile but I guess some people do. I doubt if I could tell the difference between SD and HD on a phone screen though.
If you personally don’t do something it doesn’t mean that the majority of the population is like you. Worldwide traffic use average is 20GB per person. What’s even more interesting, is that US number is lower than average in Europe, the Middle East and East Asia. And guess what? More than half of the world’s population lives in Europe, the Middle East and East Asia. So if you live in US, it’s not just you, but also people around you who are not representative of mobile internet use.
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Always-on video from wireless devices everywhere?
They can’t even give me more than 20GB a month without forking over more than I pay for my home internet, never happening in my lifetime.
I guess it’s for streaming?
I’m not into any of that livestream stuff and I cannot believe that people stream their lives and other people want to watch it.
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Ok. But that’s all local traffic within your home network, and has nothing to do with 5G or 6G.
Even if your smart devices are connecting to cloud servers and streaming all your data over, it still has nothing to do with 5G or 6G.
That’s for local networks right? That can moved to 5ghz wifi or whatever. No need to use spectrum controlled by mobile carriers.
They’re making the data faster, but most plans are still limited to something ridiculous like 20G/month. What’s the point of being able to stream 4K video or whatever if that’s going to burn through your data allowance in seconds?
A huge part of newer mobile network generations is the increased capacity. Faster speeds is effectively the same as more capacity in the towers.
This means that companies could actually afford to start offering unlimited data caps, there just has to be the push to do so. But I do genuinely believe that within a decade there will be no more datacaps for mobile data in cities, at least (or at least plenty of plans with unlimited and no throttling). Well, idk about the US considering you got data caps on broadband, but, I’m sure Europe will get it.
And nobody will ever need more than 640K of memory, so the fact that even your cell phone carries vastly more than that must mean you yourself are up to no good, right?
Even if you’re not dealing with a constant video stream, the power of the internet lies in moving vast amounts of data around. Yeah a lot of that information is based of corporate privacy invasion, but you also have things like medical databases or performing jobs remotely. I had gigabit routers in my home at a time when 10/100 routers were still typically used even in businesses. If you have a capability, someone will find a way to make use of it and new innovations will pop up that we hadn’t even considered before. Imagine where we would be at if Xerox hadn’t invented the mouse and GUI desktop years before personal home computers were even available.
All the examples you mention work fine with wired internet. No need to let the carriers keep gobbling RF spectrum for mobile.
someone will find a way to make use of it and new innovations will pop up
Nah, it’s all surveillance dystopia from here on out.
There will be plenty of uses for high speed wireless connections once the new mobile networks with big capacities come online. There’s pleeeenty of research on the applications.
Just skip to 10G already.
My wireless technology goes up to 11G
That’s just 10G but the 10 is crossed out
Yeah because 11G is higher than 10G
GTA V has 9G LMAO
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it would be difficult to make it good
Most want ubiquitous and affordable/cheap mobile internet without the hassle of signing contracts. Moving tech tiers past 4G isn’t relevant for consumers as of now.
Why don’t we just skip 6G and just go straight to 7G
They’ll skip 9 as that seems to be Kryptonite to tech. Both Microsoft and Apple decided to skip straight from 8 to 10 with Windows and iPhone respectively.
If they’re going to skip anything, it’s going to be 8… Because 7, 8, 9!
Nah dude… That’s why they skipped 9 because 7 ate it. 9 was never a viable option
I mean, you might have a point there.
If seven ate nine, but you skip eight, it’s all OK! Seven nine.
But… But… Seven ate nine.
You ate eight!
Seven nine!
Waaaahhh!
Where was 5g ?
Obviously being remotely planted in your brain with radio waves to control your mind and actions, like voting for [OPPOSITE POLITICAL PARTY] or making you throb and drip for [OPPOSITE PREFERRED GENDER]. Wake up sheeple!!!11!
Canine be upgraded. I didn’t vote and I’m happily in a relationship.
Can I get faster speeds. Maybe an upgrade to sight or faster walking speed
I’m barely getting a decent 4G connection. My phone does support 5G but I haven’t even considered paying for it as I see no point. Even 3G is fast enough for my needs.
7g will summon a portal to hell!! Just you wait and see.
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Said the Phone/ISPs top earning guys while looking at their bank accounts extracts.
I need some stocks for 6g developing/manufacturing corps.
Samsung probably
Don’t ask me no clue 😅
Silicon Valley really wants to make XR a thing.
Current tech does not need 5G and the shit that they think will need 6G is just needless XR systems that will be steaming an unjustifiable amount of data from the “cloud”.
The enshittification continues. Happy 2024 folks
When I had a Pixel 6, there was a bug that caused awful battery drain when on 5G, so I changed the preferred network setting to LTE for like a month while waiting for them to fix the issue.
It had NO effect on my regular use at all. Running speed tests showed that my max download speed was significantly slower while using LTE, but that’s obviously not indicative of real world usage. If there was any difference between LTE and 5G in terms of page loading, media streaming, etc during regular daily activities, it wasn’t perceptible.
I honestly don’t think I’d notice a real world difference between 4G and H+ in most scenarios except for, maybe, video. I never understood the hype for 5G, especially considering the horrendous frequency limitations that imply line of sight AND very small coverage radii.
Does this mean we can do proper voice over 4G already? Last time I heard it was just for the selected phone models with specific software.
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Ive forced my phone to only use 4G as 5G allows for far greater location tracking.
You’re delusional.
They can pinpoint you almost as well on 4G. This is not a good reason to not use 5G.
5G gives far greater accuracy tho
Yeah, when they implant it in your brain, the GPS signal knows which nostril you’re breathing out of more. That’s why I only use ancient WAP on my 1.7" screen. If it takes me 2 minutes to load a static webpage, my fbi agent will go insane and stop trying.
Not really. All of the super high accuracy requires fairly specific circumstances that broadly don’t exist in the real world today.
And if they did, they’d be able to pinpoint your location just as well over 4G.
They can track you to within 100ft easily on 4G today.
5g can reliably track location to within about 1m 4g is far less accurate 5g also makes it easyer due to heigher node density.
5G only has higher node density if you’re using mmWave, which is only happening in ultra dense places today, and mostly indoor/arena use - it isn’t very widely deployed.
5G might get you to within 50ft instead of 100ft, but it’s not getting you to 3ft of accuracy without mmWave, and that’s mostly because mmWave barely travels at all. You can’t be more than a couple hundred feet from the antenna and need unobstructed line of sight to it.
There’s always at least one. This is why we still have to teach people how to computer
This is the best summary I could come up with:
It was touted as delivering not just a dramatic shift in download speeds, but was expected to enable a host of new applications such as extended reality (XR) and usher in a new era of connected devices.
Gartner analyst Bill Menezes told us at the time: “As the carriers continue updating their networks for 5G Standalone technology, users will increasingly experience the promised improvements in speed and reliability.”
Nokia is advocating for 6G spectrum just above the current mid band range for 5G (1-6 GHz) because that will allow for deployment from existing cell sites, he added, and this will call for large-scale antenna arrays that can better direct the electromagnetic energy.
Nokia has built a proof of concept, using an existing 5G base station hacked to operate as a radar, and researchers were able localize people and detect movement within an accuracy of less than a meter, Vetter claimed.
Overall, the concepts for 6G so far seem to center on mobile networks becoming more pervasive and creating capacity and performance for demanding applications like telepresence, as well as connecting myriad sensors and devices beyond phones.
And here comes the rub: That position may prove untenable as operators feel pressure to keep investing for fear of falling behind rivals - the same dynamics as in previous rollouts in the mobile network industry.
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