Man I really needed that laugh this morning lol
I wish he would step away from twitter and focus more on improving rockets and electric cars. Twitter seems like a big distraction.
Do you really think, based on the decisions he’s made regarding Twitter, that he would have any beneficial effect on Tesla or SpaceX by focusing on them?
Tesla engineers reported productivity improving after he bought Twitter because he wasn’t around anymore…
The only reason the rockets are any good is because he occupies himself with Twitter. I’ve heard that both Tesla and Space X have people whose sole job is to keep Musk from fucking up the projects and companies.
The amount of actual software improvements made to my Tesla since he started focusing on X has been record high (something as simple as getting automatic highlights and wipers finally working for example).
Please keep the madman occupied with his social media failure and away from everything that actually matters!
I wish he would step away from twitter and focus more on improving rockets and electric cars
He does none of those things. He uses his apartheid money to make others do the hard work and then he steals all the credit.
I don’t know, seems to me like the “improvements” he personally makes to electric cars are things like having a car horn make a fart noise or, like, everything about the Cybertruck.
Yet she writes this on a millionaire social media platform. Like there are no alternatives.
I imagine you already consider her an idiot, but don’t you think the really stupid thing to do would be to walk into an empty room and say something you actually want other people to hear?
Unfortunately Twitter is where the most people are still.
It wouldn’t hurt if she would post on multiple mediums, including let’s say Mastodon
Elon talks endlessly about freedom of speech on his platform, it being a town hall for all. She is posting on a forum where she can reach people, it doesn’t matter who owns it.
Brain so smooth we can skip rocks across it
Could’ve posted it on Facebook.
What a fucking narcissist.
Elon is not a narcissist, he’s an asshole. Narcissists are innocent victims of abuse. You’re a bigot who hates disabled people.
Victims of abuse? Possibly. Innocent? No.
Just because you’re the victim of abuse, that doesn’t give you the right to abuse others, and you aren’t “innocent” if you do so.
I never abused anyone and neither did most people with NPD, because there is no link between having NPD and abusing others. You just invented an imaginary association between pwNPD and abusers because you hate disabled people.
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Mental illness is not the same as disability.
Narcissism and assholery are not mutually exclusive. Same goes with with being a victim of abuse. Nor is it considered being disabled. Nor is there basis to assume the person you replied to hates disabled people.
Just wanted to chime in to point out that not a single thing you said is accurate. Which is somewhat impressive.
In any case, a common trait of being a narcissist is martyrdom. I suspect I’ll get something to that effect.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder
It is often comorbid with other mental disorders and associated with significant functional impairment and psychosocial disability.[1]
When being “narcissistic” is a diagnosis, because it causes impairment, then it is a disability. But that’s not saying more than what a disability is. You can still be a narcissistic asshole (and oh boy are those two correlated!), without it being a disability to the individual.
The fitting technical word for narcissism being a disability in/to the context of society or social group is the “asshole” part.
Using the names of mental disorders as playground insults is disrespectful and irresponsible. And if you say that narcissism as an insult is an established term, I’ll remind you that it got that way because people used the name of a disorder as an insult. As a slur. And no, the insult isn’t drawn directly from greek mythology, because Greek mythology has the name Narcissus, not the noun narcissist. The noun narcissist was coined by psychologists talking about pathology.
Again. You have an impressive ability to not state a single accurate argument.
Using the names of mental disorders as playground insults is disrespectful and irresponsible.
Invalid basis. That a negative character trait can in severe cases be a disability, does not mean that the negative character trait is. Nor is it a correct assumption that all uses of said character trait (adjective or noun form), implies the severity to be diagnosed as a disability. Even otherwise positive traits can be disabilities if they are in excess as to be disability. It really is as simple as that.
And if you say that narcissism as an insult is an established term
First, I have not said that. So again, invalid premise. Secondly, no one so far used narcissism “as an insult”, but as a descriptive word. Which is more or less the function of language and words. The assumption that people meant to insult, and not be accurate, is on you.
I’ll remind you that it got that way because people used the name of a disorder as an insult. As a slur.
Remind me of what now? Words for character traits exist. If a person has trouble remembering stuff, you might be “forgetful”. If it is so severe that it impacts their quality of life, then it might be diagnosed as a disorder. Saying a person is forgetful doesn’t mean it is used as an insult.
And no, the insult isn’t drawn directly from greek mythology, because Greek mythology has the name Narcissus, not the noun narcissist. The noun narcissist was coined by psychologists talking about pathology.
Thanks for the etymology lesson. I think your argument is that if you use words that stem from psychology, coined to describe a type of character/personality, and that if the trait, if sufficiently severe is considered a disorder, that one cannot (should not?) be used it the same way as defined by psychologists? That’s… Why wouldn’t one be allowed to use words for the generally understood meaning of the words?
When a psychologist gives a person the diagnosis for having a disability as a result of “narcissism”. They don’t give the diagnosis as “narcissist”. The diagnosis is called “narcissistic personality disorder”.
You know why they add the last word of “disorder”? Because narcissist/ic is already described, and when it is diagnosed as a disorder, they call it a disorder.
A psychologist might not be comfortable with, or even use the somewhat reductive “a narcissist”. But it’s fine to use colloquially.
I’ve met plenty of people with varying degrees of narcissistic traits. When people sometimes refer to them as “a narcissist”, they are being somewhat reductive. But seldom, if ever, has it been used as an insult for the sake of insult. And generally describe… Well, you can lookup the behavioural commonalities. I wouldn’t say any one of them had it as a personal disability. And they all ranged somewhere from “you like to share the view from your perspective a bit much” to “self centered asshole”.
Anyways. You caught me in a moment of being stuck, with nothing to do. I generally don’t think this is worth while. Mostly good intentions tho, if you can believe it. Also in part enjoying to point out when people are being shit at forming an argument.
I appreciate the well written explanation here. Lovely to see.
Why are you randomly calling people bigots and leveling accusations at them out of nowhere?
I am doing neither of those things. I’m calling people who hate narcisstists bigots.
I typed out a few replies, but ultimately I’ve decided that I’m not qualified to reply to that. Good luck to you.
And people are rightly making fun of you for that moronic claim.
That’s because Lemmy is the kind of reactionary place where hatred of people for having mental disorders isn’t considered bigotry.
She was definitely talking about Elongated, but probably had that comeback planned ahead of time.
It’s a pretty good stroke… Two birds with one stone
Hasn’t AOC been involved in institutional debates about Meta for a long while now?
Yup.
It’s everyone’s dream come true - when the comebacks you think up in the shower or before going to bed actually get to be used
Does Zuck hang out with Tucker & Thiel also? It wouldn’t surprise me, but I hadn’t heard about it…not to the extent that Elon does, anyway.
I assume anyone in silicon valley with two commas has hung out with Thiel at some point. He was one of the earliest investors in FB
Wait is this real?
Making it funnier is that this was from Apr 2022, when Elon didn’t even control Twitter yet, so her comment couldn’t actually apply to him. His offer had been accepted 4 days prior, but he would soon try to back out of it until Oct 2022.
So those saying in the comments here that she was lying in her reply have some crow to eat.
Hooray for AOC telling it like it is, and getting under Elon Musks’ pimply oily hide. She knows exactly what she’s doing.
Oh she was not.
I mean, every successful, smart, attractive woman is clearly attracted to this:
https://static.india.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/elon-musk-1658231898.jpg
If he fell naked into the snow, he’d be invisible
At this point, does it really matter?
Yes? At least to me, petty lying cheapens a message, no matter who is saying it.
So what’s to be upset about. A petty liar just got owned by AOC?
Lol… Senpai Billionaire will never notice you.
Jesus you people. Hey guess what? I don’t give a flying fucking shit about likely kiddy diddler Elon Fucking Musk. That doesn’t mean I’m going to be a drooling dumbass who claps every time someone makes a pathetically low effort jab at him. AOC’s response here is so fucking transparent that she somehow winds up looking lamer than Elon Cheeseface Musk. That’s how pathetic lies like this are.
This dude is really mad that people like a tweet lmao.
Lol
source: my rectum
Imagine admitting ur head is up ur own ass to the whole Internet 🤣🤫
Wow, there’s a lot of stuff up there!
It sounds to me like she intentionally phrased it so it could apply to both of them, and maybe be interpreted to apply to the several news outlets owned by billionaires as well (fox news, washington post, etc.). It’s a weirdly common feature of our dystopia at this point, and I think that’s what she was expressing exhaustion with. So while she may not have initially intended to exclude Musk, I genuinely think it wasn’t just about him, and phrasing her reply in this way was funny and pretty much guaranteed to get more people to see the message.
Not only that, the exchange makes the point even better than the tweet alone. The fact that one of the billionaires in this category showed up on his own to confirm the truth of it. If she planned it that way, this is what actual 4 dimensional chess looks like.
Zuck’s social calendar supports it was about him. There’s the business insider article that cites this
Elin is the biggest beta simp I’ve ever seen.
Either I need to get out more, or I’m doing something right.
But why are they still supporting platforms run by billionaires? It’s so easy to talk, theorize and posture as this revolutionary figure. But when it comes down to giving up one single convenience, people freak out. I don’t know if I can take these people seriously.
politicians don’t use social media for “convenience”
What kind of value does Twitter actually bring to a politician? I think we tend to overestimate how much Twitter does influence politics of any kind. People who will support a politician will support them and people who don’t will not, Twitter will rarely sway anyone to a different position. Is it necessary to keep posting about every opinion you have constantly? If that’s what being politically active is, then politics has devolved beyond repair.
People who will support a politician will support them and people who don’t will not, Twitter will rarely sway anyone to a different position.
I disagree with this. It’s like when people say “why does Coca-Cola run ads, everyone knows them”. Marketing matters. Awareness matters. Maybe it shouldn’t but that’s how it be.
I agree to an extent. I understand your analogy but I think there’s a crucial difference between ads for a product and political positions. You can easily get someone to buy a product, but getting someone to change their views on, say, abortion is much harder. Political positions are tied to identities in ways that purchasing decisions are generally not. There may be some ways to sway some people who are on the fense about a given candidate or position, but I generally think this ability to change people is way overstated. People just keep posting their opinions over and over and think it’s actually changing someone’s mind, more often they are preaching to people who already agree with them.
When the news has segments covering tweets and Trump won in 2016 partially because of his social media presence, politicians have no choice but to use the platform until it loses the majority of it’s userbase. Or until it gets officially declared no better than 4chan by the mainstream media.
It sucks, but this is our reality
Simple. Direct, uncensored, and provocative announcements directly to your constituents without needing to set up an event for each topic you want to discuss. More eyes and more control of your message. The most important thing is the number of eyes you have on your content. The more people that know and talk about it, the more likely the people who can vote for you will know about you.
She was one of the first high profile people on blue sky so it’s not for not trying. Even this criticism though reads a bit like “You dislike capitalism and yet you participate in it.” You can criticise what you partake in, why not?
That’s not the same though? We can’t stop participating in Capitalism right now. But we can easily stop using Twitter as far as I’m aware. You will not die if you stop using a website. I am not saying don’t participate in social media of any kind. I am saying if you can’t even stop using a website because it clashes with every value you have, then what chance is there that you’ll give up something even greater for the sake of the greater good? Your analogy can be used to justify not making any kind of change ever because it inconveniences us.
As someone who does grassroots campaigning, I’m not sure she can. She needs to reach out wherever her audience is.
Yeah really. I can stop using Twitter because nobody gives a shit about me. My thoughts have 0 impact.
Companies and figures can’t simply ignore the platform and remain competitive.
Ok I can accept that. I am not speaking about her personally but about many people on the revolutionary left who stay on there and spend 90 percent of the time complaining about what Elon Musk did or said. There’s something wrong with this “politics of negativity”, where the very apparent opposition you have to something is what ultimately fuels it. It’s ironic in a sense. A post complaining about Elon Musk is ultimately creating money for Elon Musk. The apparent discourse and the latent effect are diametrically opposed.
You’re correct in a moral sense although I agree entirely with other posters that politicians need to spread their message far and wide regardless of platform. I do not personally use Facebook or Twitter because I find them to be toxic, predatory, and privacy red flags in the case of Facebook. I rarely use Reddit out of principle when they screwed over Boost devs. The issue though is similar to why boycotts really just don’t work for the left. Our power is in changing the systems at the government level, not at the endpoint or point of sale because almost definitionally we’re not part of the 1% who make or break companies financially. Increasingly even together in unity that’s still the case that our financial incentive offering is relatively minimal to the biggest companies if you ignore mass indignation as a stock value factor.
Twitter doesn’t comply with hate speech laws on social media companies and is used as a tool by Elon to manipulate markets. These are problems addressed through giving teeth to the agencies and that’s always going to be far more meaningful than the 4 cents you contribute in ad revenue before you max out views for the day.
Let’s be honest though, with Twitter it’s going to fail with or without government teeth around it. Elon has already started prepping the narrative to why his white nationalist pickme project is death spiraling.
So vain he probably thinnks this xeet is about him.
I assume xeet is the new word for tweet.
You know, now I’m thinking Carly Simon is a psychic and the answer to who that song is about is Elon Musk.
Also, she totally sings “clowns in my coffee.” I will fight anyone who challenges me on this.
Nah, I’ll leave that to your morning clown brigade while I busy myself punching clouds. 🤷🏼♂️
“it’s an x! You send X’s on X!”
-Elon, probably.
In a recent interview this came up, and the best word be said he could come up with was post, but he was hoping for something better.
I don’t think they’ll ever get something good like tweeting on twitter. X is terrible for that.
The company redefined a word in the space of less than a decade. Huge marketing success when you pull that off. Elon just couldn’t let go of his old idea from the PayPal days that the rest of the board back then told him was a bad idea.
Elon just really likes naming things X. Including his son.
By every metric it’s horrible. Searching for the term, using it as a verb and noun, ease of saying it in a sentence, recognition, as a logo, color scheme, the fact that X sounds a lot like ex as in something I previously engaged in but no longer do (irony) . I mean I could go on and on.
I refuse to believe no one told him how poor of an idea it is, I think he just has too much money to be able to listen to others.
I like to make jokes about how people might say X fucked them, and their current partner leaving them for cheating.
It’s a bit of a forced joke, but whenever possible, I like to use “X-crete” as the verb to replace “tweet”.
All Xeet Xeet Muthafucker! All Xeet Xeet Goddamn!!
My people are calling it Xitter (sounds like shitter) so that would make each more like a little Xhit.
Coincidentally, that’s what I call people on that platform
I prefer 𝕏creetion
I prefer the term kiss / kissing (in x’s and o’s)
That’s fucked up. We’re not giving him a whole English word, he already bought a letter.
I heard “xeet” in gmanlives’s voice.
I’m a fan of Xcretion
I like xit too though. It just works better. Xitter, folks all xitting. If it’s a good xit they can say it’s popping.
I like xitter and xitting since it sounds like shitter and shitting, which is a perfect description for most of the content on that website.
🤢🫣
I bet you think this xeet is about you
Don’t you
Don’t you
He is so vain
I don’t know why people love her so much, all she does is perpetuate this shitty style of politics. Why can’t they talk like grown-ups?
For what it’s worth, she’s pretty good at cutting through the noise and explaining issues in an accessible way. There ARE moments like this but she seems to do good for her constituents. I don’t live in the area and I don’t know that much about her, but that’s the feeling I got
this shitty style of politics
Which is what, exactly?
Ummm… Have you looked at the right? This is tryouts for a minor league team in comparison.
unilaterally controls a massive communication platform
The fuck are they feeding babies where you live?
Ivermectin, probably
I wouldn’t consider myself a progressive but AOC is the best among her peers when it comes to messaging with younger Americans. Perhaps this is the future of politics. Maybe it’s just a phase. Regardless, she’s good at it
AOC voted to force an end to the rail union strike. She’s just another neoliberal saying how do you do fellow kids.
Uhhh no. Let’s be real, you’re looking at this with the same level of clarity that MAGA losers look at things. They think liberals are communists. You think democratic socialists are neoliberals. Just because someone doesn’t adhere to an ideology 100% of the time doesn’t make them not what they really are. We don’t have the same intel they have when they make their decisions. All we know is that after the votes are tallied, we can take a look at their voting records and plot them all on a chart. She is by no means in the same quadrant as moderate democratic and the remaining, near extinct moderate republicans who are firmly in the neoliberal one.
because that’s boring as shit and disenfranchises anyone who isn’t 90
You see, we tried that. It did not work. All it did was embolden the crazies.
You say that like this doesn’t. She’s not teaching them a lesson or anything, she’s just engaging them on their level.
What it does do that’s good is get people who are sick of the crazies engaged in the situation instead of just ignoring it.
Ignoring it just means that there’s no counter-narrative hitting people, and it skews the perception of balance
So… that second thing I said?
I absolutely fucking hate it that it has to be like this, but there it is. Imagine being a lightning rod for all that weaponized ignorance and mental illness. It’s an unpleasant, stinky task, but if somebody’s gotta do it, I’m glad people of character and caliber like AOC are out there doing it.
Yea that’s what we need. We’ve been getting cucked hard because we play by the rules and refuse to stoop to their level. Meanwhile they just do and say whatever the fuck they want and get away with it. Fuck em, we didn’t beat the nazis by playing nice. Get in there and call them out and use their tricks.
Fucking savage, I love AOC!
America needs more radical left candidates, not just AOC, Tlaib and Caraballo.
AOC is a breath of fresh air in the extreme right political climate of the US, but calling her “radical left” is just hilarious. She’s slightly left of centre at best.
Owning two billionaires for the price of one. !
