No. Please, no.
The Picard show was already dreadfully bad and has effectively destroyed TNG and Q for me, please let the dead body rest on piece, no more.
Oh man, I’d repressed the memory that Q was in s2 of Picard! I kind of liked the first season but the follow-ups were nostalgia dumpster fires. Literally what Sir PatStew said he didn’t want to make going into the show.
Did you watch Season 3 of Picard?
It’s dreadful. Just gathering up the old cast for nostalgia sake. Quite an anticlimactic resolution to the enemy fight too.
That’s fair. I enjoyed it, but I can see why you wouldn’t. Hopefully we can agree at least 3 was better than 1 & 2.
In my opinion the first Picard season is the best. It actually tries something different; a new crew and ship and rules.
Season 2 is in that patronizing and lecturing tone that feels extra misplaced for anyone outside the United States.
Season 3 is complete creative sellout and I hate it. It was sort of nice to see them all again, but that’s pretty much it. Nostalgia bait everywhere, with a weird hamfisted plot. Barely a single original idea in that series, just a theme park ride to check all the boxes… look at the old crew on the bridge! Even data is back after we just let him die in season 1! Look at the E N T E R P R I S E, and we are fighting the borg PLUS the changelings!
I agree with you. I actually enjoyed the freshness of season 1.
Season 3 worked because of the ensemble cast, though. The first two where it was “Picard and Friends” felt weird, and not like what anyone really wanted, and if this is another “Just Picard” thing it’s likely to end up the same.
I agree. Picard Season 3 felt like it should have been the final TNG movie, but I’m actually glad it was episodic since it gave better pacing for gathering the cast together.
It was a lot of fam service, but in a good way imo
You know they have to use the bridge a lot more than one single episode. It was always part of the plan.
Yawn
I have two reasons to not write this off:
- Picard S2 would have been just fine as a 2-or-3-part episode, and not a 10-episode full season.
- The first 4 episodes of Picard S3, watched together by themselves, become the second-best TNG movie (after First Contact of course).
If they were announcing Picard season 4 I’d just groan and ignore it. But I think the cast and crew could actually pull off a decent 1.5-2 hours of good entertainment.
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We really need the follow Captain Seven series. Episodic in a similar way to Strange New Worlds with the option for longer story arcs where needed 🙂🤷♂️
We basically need more Jeri Ryan, in any context. And “Crash” LaForge should be there, she was fun too. Just definitely don’t use the same writers from PIC.
Will skip this if it gets made. All good things for Picard really came to an end after that episode.
This is First Contact erasure and I won’t stand for it.
Unless this new movie is frankly outstanding it won’t beat First Contact.
I do wish Paramount would concentrate on a Captain Seven series though 🙄🖖
Agreed wholeheartedly.
As some have mentioned, this could be a/another backdoor pilot for Legacy where Seven more or less takes the torch from Picard, similar to Picard taking it from Kirk in Generations - although that was obviously after TNG instead of before.
TBH, i never seem to like anything thats made after Voyager or Nemesis. And i understand it, the new movies and new series are made for a different (broader) audience, so it needs splendor and lots of shooting, but to me thats not what Star Trek was about.
Ive always hoped they’d make a serie with the USS Prometheus, but alas! I’ll just keep rewatching Voyager and DS9 untill i die, i guess.
Strange New Worlds has been quite good tbh.
Picard has its moments as well. It’s more valuable as a TNG revival than as a whole new ST work but it’s not bad, especially the last season.
Discovery is one of the worst sci-fi ever produced though, so definitely stay away from it.
Glad to see someone else hating on discovery, on the Star Trek subreddit everyone’s obsessed with it and I thought it was hot garbage
I‘d say Discovery has its moments (aka those including Jason Isaacs or Anson Mount) but yea, the Series as a whole is rather bad with an annoying as fuck main character…
All of the arguments I see for Discovery are based on representation and that’s literally the only thing the show got right. It’s like yeah, it’s great to have a diverse cast… I just wish they were on screen doing something good. Trek lives and dies in the writing, all the acting, effects, and out of universe concerns won’t save it from absolutely horrendous writing.
If they’d have done SNW style plots with DSC cast, it would have been amazing from the beginning.
I think this is great and anything I can see Patrick Stewart in, I will. I don’t share the opinion that Picard series was bad. I don’t see Picard as a one-dimensional must always be the same character. People change over time. And Picard has also changed. Like it or not.
Bring on the movie!
S03 was the movie we never got, they just need to leave this one alone. It’s most likely being talked about because Picard S03 got the best ratings of all the new Trek shows. But it was already quite a perfect ending. We don’t need another Picard movie, Trek needs to continue on the small screen with #StarTrekLegacy.
i will always love a new picard movie since i have memories of watching tng with my dad and i loved picard but i still want them to make star trek legacy
He’ll die before it happens. Don’t think people realise quite how old the guy is. I love him to bits but it’s like David Attenborough, just let the man rest, he’s given us enough.
He’s not on contract. He wants to do Star Trek.
And I hope he continues.
Shhhh, the reaper has hopefully forgotten about these two and Morgan freeman.
He’s 83. Definitely old but I wouldn’t write him off anytime soon.
Huh, I actually thought he was older than that. That’s reassuring.
Pretty sure he’s been 83 since the 1980s. I could be wrong though.
I heard only last night about a script that is being written, but written specifically with the actor, Patrick [Stewart], to play in it. And I’ve been told to expect to receive it within a week or so.
Notably, that week was several weeks ago:
TrekMovie has confirmed with Josh Horowitz that this interview was recorded in early November as Stewart was out promoting his new memoir, Making It So.
I hope this is his swan song. Patrick Stewart is amazing, and I love Captain Picard, but he’s not Harrison Ford. The franchise will be fine without him. We don’t need to play out Too Short a Season in real life
Three seasons of PIC were already a mistake. The only good thing coming from it is the possibility of a Riker cooking/baking show (which I would totally watch).
2 seasons were a mistake and by far the worst trek seasons from any show, the third season while being massive fan service was just what I seemingly wanted as I loved every second and was a great ending to the TNG crew
I just watch the third season and pretend all of the random references to the early seasons happened in a more logical way.
I knew somebody who was running a “what could have been” Star Trek TTRPG campaign based around episodes of Voyager that could have been executed better, I think I would love to run a campaign that had plot elements from Picard’s first two seasons as a personal headcanon.
In rewatching the original series and TNG thereafter, the consistent factor, regardless of the early special effects, was the scripts. The dialogue was always great. In ST: Picard, the dialogue is trash.
Everything about ST Picard is trash. Dialogue, script, Character behavior, 50 years of fransche history ignored, it was all written and executed by people who don’t like star Trek, cast excluded though I just don’t understand why any of the vast was on board with this turd. We’re they so desperate for money?
it’s even worse than that they write characters that are not in the world of star trek but written like they are fans of the star trek. that might work for a comedy like lower decks but it stunts growth of the franchise.
since we can’t make new stories or ask new questions. They are just stuck in a circle of reference and the bare minimum of a story / scavenger hunt to get to those references. Terry Matalas has said this himself.
But hey at least we have unedited versions of the originals unlike star wars and I hope all the actors got big paydays in their golden years.
The sitcom The Rikers as pitched by Sirtis and Frakes would have been better that the three seasons of Picard, frankly.
I think the difference between Stewart and Ford is that Stewart seems more to be doing it because he enjoys this character. Ford seems to be doing it in spite of his feelings.
As long as Stewart is still having fun, I’m happy with him continuing as long as he wants.
Did not expect that.
I thought we had seen it all.
But I’ve seen everything anyway. And I get on my bike and I ride off. On the grass.
“Yes, and she’s scrabbling around to get them back on again, but even before she can get her knickers on, I’ve seen everything. Yeah. I’ve seen it all.”
I prefer to think that Picard is just still stuck in the Nexus and everything that has happened to him since has been a result of magic Nexus fever dreams.
Movie Picard and PIC Picard acted nothing like TNG Picard to the point where they were seemingly completely different people. Movie Picard wanted to make the Borg pay for what they did and literally beat in dead Borg with his fists and snapped the Borg queen’s spine in two with his bare hands while TNG Picard knew things weren’t that cut and dry and even had an opportunity to potentially genocide the works of them and didn’t because ethics and shit. Movie Picard would have drove Hugh up to their doorstep infected with the fractal virus the first chance he had.
PIC Picard… is literally an android I guess? But still old? They kind of ignored that later. So, literally he isn’t the same Picard as TNG Picard.
The Nexus is my head canon.
I… Don’t hate this. He meets Kirk too, which could be captain wish fulfillment. After his nephew is killed in such a stupid way he just exits reality and never returns.
First Contact, like you said, is revenge on the Borg and saving Earth.
Insurrection is then him inventing the perfect woman to save and finding the fountain of youth.
Nemesis he fights an evil, young version of himself, which has gotta be worth a few years of therapy.
I’m OK with this, people shit on Star Trek Picard but I still thought it was alright despite the departure from more traditional Trek.
I watched the first season and liked it. The fan service didn’t feel so bad (I enjoyed it!). Season twos portrayal by half way through of an old enemy felt too casual to me and I tapped out. Is season 3 worth a whirl of two stopped me?
The third season isn’t as good as 1 but its clear and away better than 2 by a huge margin and has some extremely fantastic emotional payoffs.
@VerseAndVermin @FartsWithAnAccent I’m among the few who didn’t like S3. I could not care less for “the chosen one” thing, which is just annoying and a tired trope.
Season 3 wasn’t amazing, but it certainly wasn’t as awful as Seasons 1 and 2. The scene with the D reveal and the fighting inside the cube was pretty dope, but I’ll admit it was full fan service start to end.
Seasons 1 and 2 of Picard left me going “WTF how did this story make it out of the writer’s room with approval?” With some editing and reworking it COULD have been good…but it wasn’t.
And don’t get me started on Discovery. That show has been a Trainwreck forever.
Season 3 is literally just fan service. They reused the V’Ger sound/theme for the enemy. They brought back a character from another show in the franchise. They brought back a character who appeared in two whole episodes of TNG. Large parts of the sound design were lifted from the TNG-era series. Seriously, almost as much fan service as Lower Decks.
Honestly with the train wreck that was Seasons 1 and 2, going full fan service was about the only path forward for the last season. I liked Season 3, but it certainly was NOT original.
As for Lower Decks…brah…how is Lower Decks fan service? There are references and stuff, but its got its own vibe now going on.
To be fair, I haven’t watched the latest season of LD, but up to that point, it really was “get this reference? See? Giant Spock’s skeleton! Remember this energy being that escaped the Enterprise-D?” However, I went into LD knowing that that was what I was going to be getting, and while I won’t say it’s my favorite nu-Trek series, I do really enjoy it.
It definitely has some inside jokery going on and references to other shows, but I’d argue it’s more organically done than just calling it “fan service”. It’s also a comedy SciFi, so I feel like it has more leeway than I’d give most shows, though.
The show has progressively become it’s own thing as each season progresses, though.
Oh I in no way meant it as an insult. I love that about LD. I did not love that about PIC.
The reason I think Lower Decks does a fine job with its “fan service” is that none of those “get this reference? See?” moments matter. They’re just stuff that’s going on in the background, where an ordinary non-Lower-Decks Star Trek show would simply put a bunch of random meaningless gizmos or whatever to fill out the scene. The story that’s being told in the foreground works perfectly well if you don’t “get” any of the references. Often the story is enhanced by those references, but if you watch Lower Decks without any knowledge of the previous shows (aside presumably from a general gist of how shows like Star Trek work) you can still enjoy it.
Exactly! Which is why I like LD, but not PIC S3.
