Missouri Secretary of State Jay Ashcroft said that while he didn’t want to do it, he had to remind people of how “severe” the situation is.
A top Republican official in Missouri is threatening to remove President Joe Biden from appearing on the ballot as retaliation for the determination in two other states that Donald Trump doesn’t qualify because he “engaged in insurrection.”
“What has happened in Colorado & Maine is disgraceful & undermines our republic,” Missouri Secretary of State Jay Ashcroft wrote on the social media site X on Friday. “While I expect the Supreme Court to overturn this, if not, Secretaries of State will step in & ensure the new legal standard for @realDonaldTrump applies equally to @JoeBiden!”
Ashcroft’s post came shortly after the Supreme Court agreed to review a decision by Colorado’s high court that found Trump could be barred from the state’s primary ballot because of his actions leading up to the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol.
Congress should pass a resolution removing Trump’s disqualification.
That would satisfy the 14th amendment without setting a nasty political precedent while at the same time serving as an official recognition that Trump committed acts that triggered the 14th amendment.
How would that overrule the 14th?
It wouldn’t. The 14th specifically says Congress can remove the insurrection disqualification.
Gotcha. I didn’t know that part.
I’m not actually sure that would be a bad outcome for dems…but I think the optics would make it a non starter.
No. I’d rather the fascists try to get violent and get put down than let that fucker win any fight unchallenged.
A wild troglodite appeared.
Honestly I’m surprised they didn’t do this sooner
Of course, because Biden is the one who directly violated the 4th Amendment by instigating a failed attempt to overthrow our democracy. So naturally he’s the one who should be removed from ballots! /s
Whether they are just deliberately obtuse, utterly engulfed in tribalistic spite, or just so blinded by idiotic conspiracy theories (or some mix of all) doesn’t really matter. The people arguing that Biden should be removed on this topic are unfit to be in any position of responsibility or power.
The problem with this “oh, yeah! Just you wait, I’ll get you back!” Is that the states that removed Trump had a legal justification. He on the other hand is just talking shit, and that doesn’t hold up in court.
Unfortunately it will with Maga judges
Would someone take Jay Ashcroft off Trumps dick?
Ew. Imagine having to physically do that. The stench!
Don’t you just love it how they all completely ignore and fly over the actual reason why trump is being dumped? They just claim it’s a disgrace that trump is dropped, as if random people decided to do this on a whim, but will NEVER mention why they made that decision. Never mention that trump instigated an insurrection, we wouldn’t want people to get the wrong idea now, would we?
Well the whole thing can be solved by an actual conviction of treason. If it is obvious his actions were treasonous and he did in fact lead an insurrection, it should be an easy case.
While I expect the Supreme Court to overturn this, if not, Secretaries of State will step in & ensure the new legal standard for @realDonaldTrump applies equally to @JoeBiden!
If it applies equally to both, Biden shouldn’t be taken off since he hasn’t been found guilty of sedition ya dipshit.
There is no republican politician that isn’t a hypocrite. It’s their main super power and has served them well for decades.
The only solution to this is to dissolve the republicunt party and bar everyone involved from holding public office as seditionists.
Trump hasn’t been found guilty of sedition either.
Yes, I’m prepared for the down votes from a bunch of idiots who hate reality.
You’re not wrong. However by the text of the Constitution a guilty verdict isn’t required to invalidate candidacy.
So what, you’re suggesting the reality is it was staged? Because we all observed reality with our real eyes in real time.
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Trump hasn’t been found guilty of sedition either.
Not in a court of law; but given all the evidence you have to be willfully ignorant to believe he isn’t guilty of it and wouldn’t receive a conviction if/when there actually is a trial.
I think he’s guilty of it. But we shouldn’t be talking about guilt because it’s not part of the amendment.
But we shouldn’t be talking about guilt because it’s not part of the amendment
That’s just being pedantic. What’s a better word to use to say “he fucking did it?”
… Did you really just dismiss something that relies, literally, on pedantry, as a system of understanding, for being… Pedantic?
Guilt isn’t part of the amendment, just engaging in sedition is enough, not being found guilty of it.
Guilty being the operative word, which has legal definitions, feel free to ignore/dismiss actual meanings of words for convenience but that is an odd stance to be taking if you aren’t a MAGA? (I’ve interacted with you before, and you’re better than that which is why I’m confused)
Guilt isn’t part of the amendment, just engaging in sedition is enough, not being found guilty of it.
He engaged in it. Another way to say that is he is guilty of it. I didn’t say he was convicted. So the question still stands: Do you have a better word that means “he fucking did it” that isn’t “guilty?” Because this isn’t a court room and we’re not lawyers. Reasonable people understood what I meant.
Article 14 doesn’t stipulate guilt, just engaging in which the Colorado court determined he did. His removal is the result of due process. So if they can show in court that Biden did the same then sure…but they cannot.
Not the same, purely partisan BS.
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Article 14 doesn’t stipulate guilt,
Nor did I say it did.
No, but you said Trump has not been found guilty which is not required for him to be precluded from running for office. It’s an artificial bar some are trying to set unsupported by the text in the Constitution.
In any rational timeline SCOTUS would agree but with these justices who knows.
He was responding to another poster who said not being found guilty should make Biden immune to being taken off.
That’s the context in which that was said, and you’re ignoring that context. There’s a big difference between saying it’s also true of trump, for consistencies sake, and someone bringing it up out of the blue to advocate for trump.
You either have poor reading comprehension or you are responding in bad faith.
I understood it perfectly - my point which applies to both comments is that nothing in the 14th stipulates or indeed even mentions conviction, it does specifically exclude insurrection which applies, as determined by the Colorado court, solely to Trump.
The original response was flawed in its premise, agreed, but the guilt angle is Constitutionally irrelevant regardless - that was my point.
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Technically that is true. However, he was impeached for incitement of insurrection by the House of Representatives. The majority of the Senate then voted to remove him after impeachment, but not the 2/3s majority required.
So no, not “found guilty of sedition”. But he was impeached for inciting insurrection.
Correct. Trump hasn’t been found guilty of sedition. He has been found guilty of insurrection by the Colorado supreme Court. He also hasn’t been criminally convicted of insurrection, because this isn’t a criminal case.
Sedition and insurrection are different, and parts of different laws. Criminal and civil guilt are also different mechanisms of our laws, but the 14th amendment doesn’t state someone needs to have a criminal conviction to be considered ineligible for office.
He has been found guilty of insurrection by the Colorado supreme Court.
An interesting thing I hadn’t thought about. Thanks.
Because he didn’t engage in, not found guilty of.
The DOJ should investigate this guy for supporting insurrection, too.
“What has happened in Colorado & Maine is disgraceful & undermines our republic,”
What happened in the national capitol on Jan6 is disgraceful and undermines the republic.
The people trying to clean up after that mess are not the problem, you pandering old windbag.
They really think it was done for political reasons and is just a team sport
You may be giving them too much credit. They know what they tried to do.
Agreed. We need to stop pretending GOP leadership are idiots and treat them like the organized threat they are.
I think that they are both idiots, and an organized threat to democracy. Like the CIA during the Project Condor years. Those guys were mostly morons, but they had a firehose of money, and tons of manpower. Very similar to the GOP at this point.
Haha fair, the teaparty and then Maga kind of got away from them at first. They were able to exploit the teaparty so I feel like they are gonna come out of maga stronger than ever.
Looking forward to all the people guilt tripping me for not voting when it’s Biden running unopposed in half the states and Trump running unopposed in half the states.
I mean, there’s still plenty of other elections going on…
I’ll vote if there’s ballot questions, this presidential race is just a circus
Just to fantasize a bit, it’d be hilarious if these “Duck season! Wabbit season!” Shenanigans resulted in both Democrats and Republicans mutually excluding each other from a majority of ballots, and third parties had to fill in the gaps.
Polite reminder that third parties are not viable in a first past the post voting system, and that Democrats are the ones who have actually been instituting ranked choice voting (while Republicans are the ones taking it away & banning it)
Great insight. Thank you!
- Trump: Does insurrection, disqualified from running
- Biden: Doesn’t commit insurrection or any other crimes that might disqualify him from running.
- GOP: We’ll step in & ensure the new legal standard for Trump applies equally to Biden
Whataboutism politics in action. They’re not even defending him, it’s just, “Well if you’re going to do that we’ll just do it back to you!”–
GOP: We’ll step in & ensure the new legal standard for Trump applies equally to Biden
Well jokes on them because Biden couldnt get trump back on the ballot in any of the states hes kicked off in even if he wanted to, cuz it really has nothing to do with Biden and he has no control over whats states decide to do or how they interpret the constitution.
And I think if anyone of them do take Biden off the ballot it’ll trigger some kind of law suit because they currently cannot show any cause for taking him off.
This is always how the GOP responds. Their voters don’t know any better and assume everyone is doing the crime because they were told so. If everyone is doing it, it’s okay. Zero thought, all emotional rage bait.
This man’s dad lost an election to a fucking corpse, he was such a piece of shit. GWB went and made that piece of shit the country’s AG. The shit apple clearly does not fall from the shit tree.
Words of wisdom, Lahey.
