looks like rendering adblockers extensions obsolete with manifest-v3 was not enough so now they try to implement DRM into the browser giving the ability to any website to refuse traffic to you if you don’t run a complaint browser ( cough…firefox )
here is an article in hacker news since i’m sure they can explain this to you better than i.
and also some github docs
And if you start building a QEMU machine that spoofes your machine IDs? So you can do all ypur DRM sruff from QEMU?
Remember when browsers just browsed…I really want to push the What’s Cool! button
Holy cow im getting nostalgia and I wasn’t even alive when Netscape was a thing, I think…
Fuck I’m old.
Sorry.
We need more browser options, not just Firefox and 20 versions of chrome.
If you have the funds, donate to Mozilla. They’re not only the main developers of the only major competing browser engine, but also do a lot of other good work. You can hope for others, but with Firefox only having single-digit usage share it needs all the help it can get.
You can’t legally donate to Firefox, as it is developed by a Corp (Mozilla Corp.). Donations go to Mozilla Foundation, which does… other things with you money. In other words, your money don’t go towards FF development.
So, if you donate thinking that your money helps Firefox development, you’re doing it wrong.
This. I see a lot of talk about Firefox forks on Lemmy but at the end of the day we need Mozilla to to survive for other Firefox and their forks to continue
To be fair, there are about 20 versions of Firefox too. It’s just that most of them aren’t there to Hoover up ad revenue.
Idk about on Windows & macOS, but there are a lot of other options not based on Gecko (Firefox) or Blink (Chromium). Downside is that they don’t have as many features or plugin support.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/List_of_applications#Web_browsers
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A good project to support would be the Ladybird.
They don’t even have builds. How can we support tools the bulk of users can’t easily implement or recommend non technical people to try?
Definitely, oftentimes open source projects don’t make it easy for themselves
You can support by joining the project and helping them to fix issues. It’s a young project, but they’ve been progressing really fast. Andreas Kling is one of the original developers of Safari, and in the past years he’s been creating his own operating system (Serenity OS) and formed a team who’ve been doing their own JavaScript engine, web browser and a programming language together with the OS. It’s a really fascinating story and I give all the respect for them for doing this. This is the work we have to do if we want to beat Google from taking the internet. It’s us who need to step up and start fixing the internet.
https://awesomekling.github.io/Ladybird-a-new-cross-platform-browser-project/
I don’t disagree with you on alternatives but again it’s challenging for the technical folks amongst our peer groups to help adoption of an alternative if we can’t provide places for the folks we support to download the alternative and try it
There’s no way for any of my family or friends to understand how to build their own browser, let alone setup a WSL2 environment to make it work. Their eyes are going to glaze over at the thought then they’re going to go download something else.
That time is not yet. Give it a few years and if you’re willing, join the project to help. There is movement, it’s just about how can we help.
Google basically made it so that it takes a large company to compete with all the “”“web features”“” that they have, so good luck with that.
True, what we truly need and have the force to get behind with is an Alternate Internet, an Alternet of sorts. Something like Gopher, or Gemini.
I like what gemini is trying to accomplish but I think we need something closer to what the web WAS.
I completely agree, but don’t forget that WebKit exists too on Mac and Linux with about the same market share as Firefox (at least based on w3school’s stats). Chrome/Blink dominate but all hope is not lost and there are more options, they’re just small. I think focusing on embracing Firefox/Gecko as it has so much momentum and community already is the most productive way forward though
The only reason WebKit has any market share left is because iOS/iPadOS forces it on their users even if you try to use other browser
Nope. I’ve used GNOME web before, and others as well.
Nah that’s more of a spoiler vote. You need one large competitor to Chrime, not a bunch of small ones that can get wiped out
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I know my uBO has saved me from some hostile shit. So yeah it’s a part of my browser security. I have it configured to a stricter blocking mode so it’s not just blocking ads for me, it gets other stuff that can be a problem.
Anyway I’m aware of the Manifest V3 business and being on Chrome I’m just waiting for the hammer to fall before going to Firefox. If they start adding DRM as well, I’m out of there quick.
Yeah, yeah, I know, just go to Firefox now, but I don’t really want to deal with a new browser and all my custom stuff until I have to. I’m old and that shit is super hard to motivate on for me. Not to say I’m inept, I mean I’ve spent my whole career in tech, but old dogs and all.
I predict this standard will die the way of Flash and Silverlight. If it makes the web more fragile and less accessible it will fail.
i cant believe people still use chrome.
Which is worse, this or the C2PA specification?
Fuck google and anything they have to offer.
And what phone are you using ? What apps do you use
Google is pretty integrated into life.
Yes fuck them but don’t lie.
not @yoz, but it’s totally possible to avoid Google.
iPhone, just another web mail provider, OpenStreetMaps, DuckDuckGo, and whatever else I need I host myself on my Synology.
I use Google at work because I have to, but otherwise it stays out of my life.
I have tried OSM but their public transportation route calculator is way more clunkier than Google Maps sadly.
Yeah so you use an iPhone. Apple. Fantastic. A trillion dollar company. It never svuses it’s Power. So all android users shall move to apple. C’mon now.
I find dick dick go gives horrible search results. So you basically just use all apple products instead
It’s not the promised land of open source and free software. But at the very least they have a business model that does not consist of selling all my data to the highest bidder.
I think that much we can acknowledge.
Now, will they comply with law enforcement, usually yes. That’s part of running a company, and that’s a good thing. But what do you expect? Some medium sized free software company (because to sell hardware you need a company) that does not comply with law enforcement?
That’s raising expectations to unfulfillable levels. Are you a forever unsatisfiable grievance-monger?
Sorry to hear that DuckDuckGo doesn’t work for you. Maybe you gotta use Google instead because there just is no alternative.
But at the very least they have a business model that does not consist of selling all my data to the highest bidder.
You can’t possibly believe that.
Now, will they comply with law enforcement, usually yes. That’s part of running a company, and that’s a good thing. But what do you expect?
I expect my encrypted data to remain encrypted and out of the laws hands.
Apple does though. Just not as much as google.
Google is an ad company. It has other products but at the end of the day it’s just a bloated as company. Apple isn’t.
https://gizmodo.com/apple-iphone-france-ads-fine-illegal-data-1849950163
Apple still uses that data and I think it pretty much has to sell it to use it.
I think there definitely things we can do as consumers. Force companies to be transparent and make sure they encrypted all data so it’s less dangerous to its users. Same procedure for data collection for research.
Ive been moving to brave but now I’ve just moved everything over to Firefox now. I will try out duck duck. Didn’t they recently get in trouble for selling data.
I’m in the Google ecosystem and use a pixel phone. I’m very google. I used to love company but I was young and naive. I hate apple with a passion so I’m kinda screwed either way.
I can go live in a cave and not use any devices and it would make zero difference to these companies. So it’s really just for my own.
I use Google photos. I pay for extra space. I’m sure there are plenty I can move to but if it disappears then I’ll lose everything. Big risk.
I have Gmail/ Hotmail. If there’s a new email I can use that’s easy and works then I can move. Unfortunately a huge issue that we all will have will be changing emails for hundreds of accounts. 2fa set ups and accounts and all sorts.
Does Android Auto run on third party stuff. Maps I need for work and just life in general.
iPhone ain’t the way to go if you care about security or privacy, sadly. Buying a Pixel and putting a different OS on it is.
Guess what company makes the Pixels? You’re still helping them if you buy.
Apple isn’t the way to go though, so your options are Pixels (with a different OS) or no phones if you truly care about your privacy.
Haven’t ever suggested Apple. I’m just saying that (or anything) doesn’t justify the answer being a Pixel from Google of all companies.
There’s lots of Linux phones going around.
Dude if they make youtube accessible only through Chrome we gonna have some problems.
I quit the internet before I quit Firefox.
Same. I feel like this will just push me offline. I refuse to relinquish control over my system.
From what I’ve read, the information they’re gathering already exists and can be gathered by the server (browser type, user, etc.) with an added layer of encryption to ensure that information isn’t tampered with which is easily spoofed today. Of course, this approach doesn’t stop folks from tampering with the web browser directly to inject whatever information (outside of maybe what browser they’re using since that’ll be tied to the key) they want into the payload but that makes closed-source web browsers substantially more trustworthy (aka not Firefox) to site owners.
If this does gain mass market adoption, then yeah, I suspect it will force users to use proprietary web browsers (google chrome, edge, etc.). Which is a step in the direction that Google wants.
I imagine that ad providers (Google) can also start throwing their weight to force mass adoption by de-monetizing non-compliant browsers, which may pressure site owners to not serve non-compliant browsers.
Correct me if I’m mistaken.
So glad I switched to Firefox at home, wish I could use it at work.
Will this fly with GDPR?
