One of my buds runs a mumble server and that shits great.
Jokes on you, i never left forums.
Forums are worth holding onto because they’ve been reinvented to be sleeker than they were when social media, etc replaced them
Uh. Ever try to follow along in a forum when people start quoting each other and then having side conversations? The old forum layout sucks, Lemmy and Reddit with their parent-child thread-based systems are infinitely better.
All depend the subject. For some a web forum model is better, for others the reddit/lemmy is better. Then side convo should be handled by the webforum admins.
Depends on the forum software, there are some that have proper threading
but making quote towers is part of the fun!
and necrobumping decade old threads. i confused a lot of people on ign making one of my only posts on a 10 year old thread. and i did that around 10 years ago haha. good times
Those who do not understand Usenet are doomed to reinvent it, poorly.
I sign on to Usenet occasionally just to feel like I’m part of some global secret society.
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Lemmy is basically the dark web to your average instagram user.
True, but at least they’ve heard of the dark web
ouch!
I’ve checked out a couple old newsgroups that I know of, but not much was going on. One of them was a little active and I peruse it every now and again, one was just some troll and a bunch of spam. Any good tips resources on finding newsgroups that are activeish?
Am I the only one who used IRC and then Discord to moderate forums?
Discord for a group of your friends? Fantastic. Discord for a game/company/organization? Miserable.
i never understood why anyone would want to use discord for anything else than friends or small communities
Discord is a good user experience for talking with friends, but a privacy nightmare. Personally, most of my friends and I have moved to a Matrix instance.
What is the recommended forum software to host these days?
Yes please !
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Go back I have been rejoining and reclaiming old accounts.
Forums for niche stuff still exist and are quite active.
Seriously, Discord is so chaotic I can’t even use it.
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Search for whatever you’re interested in and also the word forum
If you thought Reddit or Lemmy mods were bad, wait until you deal with a forum admin on a power trip.
They’re the same people. If someone is on a power trip, it suck regardless.
Yeah plus mods do all the shit the rest of us don’t want to do
Mods don’t do shit anyway. You could remove them and every community would immediately improve. Doing absolutely nothing in this case will be better than what’s going on now
If you’re talking about discord yeah. Not exactly what they do there but I also haven’t used it in years.
On forums they remove spam, CP, all that shitty stuff no one wants to see.
I agree, let votes deal with it and take mods out of the equation.
nah man,
mods that are doing their (unpaid) job help with:
- removing trolls & spam
- removing things that break the TOS
- obviously enforcing the rules of the community
- and if the format allows for that I also believe they should mediate conflicts between members
corruption and power trips are another thing, it’s a really common problem because any amount of power can get into people’s heads and make them act like assholes. I believe a part of the problem is also opting for the path of least resistance, where instead of solving a solvable problem a lot of mods instead opt to just get rid of it. But then how much bullshit are you capable of putting up with?
don’t get me wrong, I myself am an anarchist, but today’s internet is not built to be sustainable without moderation. Anarchism relies on mutual aid and keeping each other accountable, which is just not possible in a place where everyone is anonymous, can create a hundred alts, and doesn’t even need to look another person in the eyes as they hurt them and the communities they are active in
Naw, thats when the freeze peaches people come and turn it into a cess pool of racism and trolls.
I always find it weird when people complain about getting banned by “power tripping mods”. I have only had a few encounters with a moderator who I thought was being overly obsessive about arbitrary rules. Most of my time, I did not care to resubmit contents to a group who did not want to see it anyways. The few times that I did, I carefully tried to address the moderators objections and my repost was allowed.
Sure, there are definitely some idiots who are obsessed with their perfect view of what should be said on a forum, but most of the time that I have seen, it is a user who cannot act right and doubles down on their stupid when they get called out on it.
Except stack overflow. Fuck stack overflow.
Most importantly, they’re searchable on the internet.
Discord isn’t even really searchable on discord. It was never meant for this kind of stuff and it shows.
What? Discord search is great. You can search by users, channels, text string, attachment file type, date, etc.
It works until you wanna search for something that’s somewhat similar to a common word. The other day I wanted to look for a discussion I’ve had about OpenAL, went to search for it and it showed everything with the word “open” in it. There’s no further control so you’re just at the mercy of what the search thinks you want, and this happens way too often.
All the others have good examples, but I mean something different.
If you search in a forum, you most likely get a thread dedicated to only your problem or something very similar with lots of matching answers (best case)
In Discord you find a question by someone with your exact problem and then 40 messages about other problems, cause there is only a single “problems” channel. This is a god awful experience.
This is anecdotal, but… I feel like it has gotten really slow. It’s like it doesn’t index anymore. It’s so slow as to be unusable, even if I’m just searching within one DM history.
Ok, so say something is up with my car and i want to look into fixing it. I’m not in any car discord servers, so how do i find what is up with my car with? I can search all the dates and users i want, but i wont find anything useful. 10 years ago i could have just googled my make and model with with problem and the first link would have been a Saturn owners forum i never heard of with a thread detailing the problem thoroughly as well as estimates of how much i can expect to pay to fix it. Discord is just a modern IRC; it’s great for talking with your buddies in real time and having that all be logged, but it’s a terrible way to find information.
Okay yeah you’re right here. Discord search is great for searching a server that you expect to have an answer. There is no solution if you aren’t already part of a community.
Lol yeah, now when you search google for stuff like that the experience is:
You find a website with a link to an owner’s enthusiast discord for your car’s model.
But then once you join you have access to one channel called #rules
Then you figure out you have to react to that one message in that channel with a tire burning out emoji and you get access to another channel called #introductions where you have to describe yourself and your car.
Then if a mod thinks it’s genuine, they’ll let you in to the other channels.
You finally get in and search for your issue. Your issue is really specific, but you don’t know the technical terms to search for, so your keyword of “brake squeaking” pulls up all a massive unorganized list of results purely sorted by post date of anything including those keywords, no way to sort by relevancy or popularity, so you scroll, and you scroll.
You find one message that is close, but you need more info. But before you can post in the #help channel you have to make 3 posts in #general (to fight spam of course).
Finally, after succeeding in the requirements, you copy a link to the message you found in search and post in #help.
A mod tells you to use the search, that question has been answered. You explain that you already did but you’re not sure exactly what to search for. You are now banned
Discord’s walled garden and conversational approach is awful for gestalt knowledge storage and access.
You just have to laugh…
Otherwise you’d cry! Thanks for this :-)
I hate Discord for the reason you mentioned but I remember having to jump through hoops on forums too. Shit sucked, but at least it was searchable and readable without having to do anything
Yeah forums were never great for organizing knowledge, but discord, being a chat platform, is the worst parts of forums without the good parts when it comes to trying to find answers. Honestly the best thing was Reddit, but Reddit now self destructing means that I can only hope lemmy instances allow themselves to be indexed so they begin to fill search results of real, organized questions and answers, with the benefit of comments being upvoted and downvoted and sortable, so the valuable information is more readily available
Waiting on federated forums to become a thing. I guess one could host a simple phpBB forum and let users create sub forums or categories for their own use?
Discourse is adding federation: https://meta.discourse.org/t/federation-support-for-discourse/90921
oooooh we could call it Lenny
Oh no not Lenny
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Our Lenny?
Femmy
Lemmy actually offers a phpBB frontend: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmyBB
Some time ago lemmy.ml could be accessed through fedibb.ml, which unfortunately is down now.
