Why oh why do we care what this cuck says? He’s not even a citizen.
We definitely shouldn’t care what he says; He’s probably just begging for attention. But he is a US citizen. A quick search shows he became one in 2002.
I meant to say not born here so he can’t run for president. Clearly wasn’t thinking when I typed it out. Anywho, thank you for the correction.
It’s weird that America still discriminates against its citizens based on the country of their birth, something they can’t control.
I think you mean republicans still discriminate against people not born here. Everyone else welcomes them.
Countries in the Americas are actually pretty unique in that most of them follow jus soli, where citizenship is granted just by being born in that country. The “old world” mostly uses jus sanguinis where citizenship is determined by family lineage, although some countries grant exceptions.
There’s a lot to be said about the treatment of immigrants in various communities throughout many of these countries, but the issue you’re raising here seems to be a consequence of a pretty decent policy.
Än immigrant who is an American citizen but wasn’t born in America can’t be president. That is the discrimination I’m talking about.
I’m not sure how much that bothers me
Who would have the power to stop Elon Musk from running for President?
Presidents are also not supposed to be actively running their businesses while also being President. But Trump brazenly didn’t even pretend to not be running his companies while in office. Nobody could stop him.
So if Elon Musk was like “I’m running for President” at what point does someone have the power to stop him? Who has the power to stop him from taking the office if he wins? It seems like a lot of those things we learned were impervious norms were really just impotent words that have no actual enforcement system behind them. And Republicans love breaking such norms.
I’ll also point out that according to rightwing folklore, we already had an illegitimate African president who served two terms. I think Republicans would run Elon just to troll.
look how “being born in the USofA” as a prerequisite to being a USofA president turned out…
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I support seizing the assets of people who were found to have lied on their citizenship application.
What’s this? I want to know more.
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I don’t, because this will be used to steal millions of dollars from undocumented workers who keep the American economy from collapsing.
A guy with three passports for three different countries should take his wildly out-of-touch idiocy and fuck off.
Considering that he doesn’t give a shit about his own children, this is typical Musk-Irony ™
They can pry it from my cold dead fingers
I like how he’s burning bridge after bridge with everyone. No one would want to associate with him, and everything he touches turns to shit. Sure he can enjoy his money, but to an extent he’s kinda screwed his venture start-up goodwill for life.
I wish it was possible for him to lose everything.
Wait till he finds out, that parents are an ethnically much more diverse group than the general public.
Is he racist or are you racist?
I don’t know about the person you replied to, but he’s definitely a racist.
I mean he grew up with money earned from blood emeralds . He grew up thinking apartheid was great.
If it were legal he would definitely own black slaves.
FrEe SpEeCh
Talk about unalienable rights to life and liberty
Most of the rights after the first 10 are 100% alienable in a naturalist sense. A man in the jungle will speak freely and associate voluntarily… A man in the jungle has a right to not be lorded over for more than 8 years by one individual (a la 25A, for instance)…? The verbiage becomes meaningless.
The US Bill of Rights only includes the first 10 amendments, so the 25A isn’t included. It also doesn’t itself contain “unalienable”, that being only in the Declaration of Independence, and in the discussions around the proposal of the amendments.
While the whole unalienable rights of all people that we’re just stating as one country rather seems like Enlightenment ridiculousness and extremely pretentious, and I’ve certainly seen interpretations that are extremely hegemonic, such as arguing that the US Bill of Rights applies to all countries, it doesn’t include later amendments.
A man of civics :] Very cool.
I agree with pretentiousness-- They were trying really hard. By and large I like that, the big ideals. The unavoidable glaring problem is the paradox of freedom AND governance. Like, even lawless pirates begged the question; ‘What do we do with a drunken sailor?’. Its not trivial.
Uh if a jungle cat wants you to shut the fuck up then your inalienable right to free speech won’t protect you lol
Eh, I could try my primal scream :] Even empty-handed, I’d fight. And you would too!
Sure! But if you have to fight for a right it’s not really inalienable, is it?
But fighting IS the right ;] Even struggling with in handcuffs is envoking your animal nature.
And if they shoot you for resisting arrest you won’t be struggling much after that.
Nothing is inalienable.
Yes, I can be killed. And, sure, inanimate objects and the deceased do not have rights. However it would still be questionable as to why a restrained person was shot :p Further, our mortality does not mean that we dont have rights, lol. This is objectively true as you will die yet you have inalienable rights.
If you have to fight to remove a right, it’s not really alienable, is it?
Yes? That’s literally what alienable means - removable.
You cannot give away your ability to create free speech.
obviously sh*tty propagandawhat a ridiculous foolishness is he?Why report on that guy’s opinions as if they matter? He’s rich, not a voting rights expert.
He’s a fascist, too, which people conveniently ignore because he’s rich and some of it might rub off on them.
For the same reason the opinion of someone like Rupert Murdoch matters. Its not about their viewpoint directly as an individual, its the fact they control massive platforms that can and do sway public opinions.
In murdochs case he’s had an influential impact on British politics over the last 40 years and has used his media empire to act as a king maker.
Musk isn’t as savvy or as intelligent as Murdoch but that doesn’t mean is influential position should be ignored.
I don’t like Elon Musk, but can you explain what makes him a fascist? I feel like people are really throwing that term around a lot and it’s kind of concerning.
It’s a fair question, but you’re probably getting downvoted because you “feel like people are really throwing that term around a lot and it’s kind of concerning”. People are throwing the term around a lot because of all the fascism, and the fact that you find the term more concerning than the actual fascism is a bad look.
I think eliminating voting rights for citizens without children is a fascist policy. Fascism is about enforcing a “correct” or “natural” hierarchy in society. Historically this has usually been about race, but has also included other factors (for example, disabled people were the first group targeted for extermination by the Nazis). For some of us, not having kids is a choice (and imo a valid one that shouldn’t be punished by the state). But this sounds like an easy way to discriminate against same-sex couples, and all fascist systems have a history of doing that.
Did Elon say whether I can vote if I adopt a kid?
Do I get more votes with more kids?
Also, if I had a kid and it died of cancer, would I also lose my voting rights?
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I personally find Ur-Fascism by Umberto Eco a good read. Fascism is really hard to pin down because it’s quite a wide category due to the different tendencies in history.
The War on Everyone by Robert Evans is another good one for our current situation, he draws and builds from Ecos definition there
Why do republicans hate freedom so much?
Everyone supports freedom until people start choosing the wrong options.
it’s “you can get your model T in any color you want as long as it’s black” but for social policy. and let’s just say that i doubt elon’s version would be “as long as it’s black”
Because they like two things: money and power.
If the people are free, they have less of both
I feel like “has children” probably correlates with “has stable income”, which makes this classism by another name.
I think the literal opposite is true.
“In 2021, women in households with an income below the poverty threshold had the highest birth rate at 72 births per 1,000 women.”
I think it has more to do with the massive reduction in the reserve labor army in the last few years due to people dying of and becoming disabled by COVID. The remaining labor force is smaller and is therefore better able to negotiate higher wages and better working conditions, while employers are left scrambling to fill empty positions, especially in industries that have historically been awful to work in like retail and food service. Forcing and coercing reproduction will lead to an increased reserve labor army, reduce the power of workers collectively and individually, and reduce the number of workers who are able to participate in disruptive organization (ie unionization) purely due to a lack of surplus time and resources. It also has the effect of oppressing those of us labeled “women” due to our bodies being the means of reproduction, which is a win for the right wing in particular both economically and ideologically.
Welcome to the rise of aggressively pro-natalism billionaires, because it’s 2023 and we’re not imploding fast enough.
Remember, you won’t have a seat on the transport to Mars. And if you ever get there, it will be to work the mines.
I feel like these people are using the Handmaids Tale as a guide at this point…
I played that video game. I’m signing up with the mercs in that case.
Are you thinking of the Red Faction series?
I was thinking more Bioshock embodies Musk exactly. Both of the settings, in fact.
