Lame strawman. So we should just continue letting the billionaires destroy the planet, jah?

That’s why real lefties don’t defend them.

Even very famous Americans that we try to glorify, Henry Ford for instance.

Have you read anything by Marx?

Which is wrong for so many reasons.

Which reasons are most prominent and why?

Communism is stupid, and the people that follow it are dogmatic and have no pragmatic basis for their “theory” other than their Communism is stupid, and the people that follow it are dogmatic and have no pragmatic basis for their “theory” other than their feelings. If it offends go cry about it. feelings. If it offends go cry about it.

Working backwards, I’m not offended, rather amused.

Why did you put theory in quotes? Why and how is the theory stupid? Please give me direct critiques of Marx/Engels work, that aren’t copied/pasted (I’m rusty af so we’re probably starting from the same point).

Communist China apologist? What kinds of things, for example?

How didn’t NATO expansionism continue to, if not cause, the way in Ukraine? Bonus points if you can find msm articles that no one remembers talking about the alarming spread of communism, in Ukraine, before the war started.

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I’m not even sure he knew a guy. A lot of people see someone reading something and assume all kinds of wild things.

You’re a joke.

But that’s not even ultimately true. Infrastructure and utilities should belong to public.

No one, and I repeat, not a single oofing one, is going to use your dildo.

Communism, political and economic doctrine that aims to replace private property and a profit-based economy with public ownership and communal control of at least the major means of production (e.g., mines, mills, and factories) and the natural resources of a society.

(Encyclopedia Brittanica)

So I looked it up on an online encyclopedia and it looks like communism is public ownership, not government ownership.

I’m not a communist so I might be missing a detail here or there, but this really doesn’t seem like it says anything about state ownership, especially considering the fact that a shorthand definition for communism that my communist friends love saying is “A stateless, classless, moneyless society where goods are distributed from each according to their ability to each according to their need”

Since it seems like you are certain about communism being authoritarian, here is an excerpt from the same encyclopedia (under the dropdown for “what is communism”)

However, over the years others have made contributions—or corruptions, depending on one’s perspective—to Marxist thought. Perhaps the most influential changes were proposed by Soviet leader Vladimir Lenin, who notably supported authoritarianism.

I know many communists love to tie Lenin into communism, but it looks like this encyclopedia indicates that some people think differently about this!

If only getting educated was as easy as a fucking google search, and was almost no effort, instead of speaking out of your ass on something you don’t understand and blind opposition of prevented you from starting with a good ol’ encyclopedia.

They really aren’t. Try being more attentive to the world.

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Preach. All the Society Experts here have come to a conclusion- based on the hardest of evidences - that Democrats are the only good ones they just aren’t left enough. Notice their unwavering homogeneity- it’s not groupthink or any kind of propaganda campaign, it’s just how the Lemmy MENSA brains operate. Why make room for tolerance of dissenting opinions when you just like know you’re totally right?

you unironically believe that a failed murderous ideology that has led to nothing but poverty, famine, tyranny, violence, and eventually collapse

Capitalism? Rates of poverty are unbelievably high, starving, tyranny, and violence is too, and extremely capitalist countries are in a constant state of collapse and go into recession every few years causing mass starvation, homelessness, and death. As opposed to even shitty communist countries like the USSR or PRC where they were far better off after communism than before communism, even being authoritarian they still had way better standard of living than when they were extremely capitalist & imperialist. Even Cuba, a small island with a dictatorship which has been cut off from most of the world for a large part of its history and has technology outdated by decades, is doing better than some Republican strongholds in the US, which is pretty embarrassing for a country with as many natural resources as the US.

And even if you don’t want to consider that, there’s pretty much any democratically elected socialist governments which the CIA immediately assassinated & overthrew, which had extremely high success and standards of living increases. But I guess if your democratic leader’s head gets blown off during an artificial American-led coup, that counts as a W for capitalism, aye? Entirely orchestrating uprisings in most previously friendly Latin American countries, Iran, etc. and turning them into authoritarian fascist shitholes certainly is a way to make your ideology seem like the only choice.

Capitalism has caused the deaths and suffering of billions. We have seen dozens, hundreds of capitalist regimes fail tremendously, bringing their entire population down with them, multiple times the amount of communist countries that have even existed. Capitalist countries have caused the worst disasters, the worst famines, the worst mass deaths, far more than even the worst communist regimes somehow. Yet you think you can point to the failures of the few communist countries in history and say that it’s proof your flavor of fascism is totally better than leftism.

I’m not even a communist. I don’t like communism, I don’t like any of the authoritarian regimes that followed a variation of the ideology, I strongly disapprove of the people who think the ideology of Lenin, Stalin, Mao, etc. was in any way at all sustainable. But my God it takes a real idiot to not be able to see how modern right-wing capitalism is just as bad if not worse than even those shitty ideologies, the difference being that capitalism has been given infinite chances to fail under the pretext of “oh tens of millions died from this one event but it’s fine, that’s just normal market fluctuation”. You can’t even call the US a democratic country at this point, it’s an oligarchy for the ultra-rich. Even pointing to other capitalist countries you can see that them partially implementing socialism has made them a far better place than the US, even if still heavily flawed by the capitalism.

is going to totally work this time despite the mountains of evidence that it is a failure in both theory and bla bla bla

Lol yea bro these leftist policies are totally failing in, say, Finland or whatever Euro country is of your desire. Countries that rely on very leftist socdem ideological views which Americans would call “socialist” or even “communist” and have much better equality & standard of living than the US, solely because of those ideologies. Isn’t it funny how the further left these countries go, the higher their standard of living and general success, and the further right they go, the more unstable and worse off they become. For example some select places in Europe have tried tasting right-wing ideology for recently and are paying the price for it (e.g. Germany, Netherlands, Italy). Crazy coincidence, isn’t it.

I’m sure the massive political unrest, attempt to overthrow the government, hundreds of mass shootings, worst healthcare in the developed world, record garbage education, even worse starvation than China and Ukraine, extremely high crime rate, and everything else the US is going through is a sign of a successful ideology. And similar thing in Canada & to a lesser extent the UK. I’m sure it’s those damn communists causing all the issues, if we stray further to the right surely we’ll stop all that nonsense!

The current systems are flawed

“Flawed” is an understatement.

but a parasitic ideology that’s just as bad, if not worse, than fascism is not and will never be an acceptable solution.

You are delusional

There’s a reason why brainless morons cower together in some no name echo chamber like this and larp about revolutionaries.

Looks like r/conservative lost one of their losers. You clearly don’t like this forum, so you can cry on your Reddit echo chamber about how everyone on there is a communist, then whine about people brigading your sub when a people disagree with your opinion, but nobody falls for it here lol.