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- Greta did get a nomination, just not for director.
- Margot didn’t, but America did.
- Ryan Gosling was the best part of Barbie, partly because of the writing which, again, WAS nominated.
- This is not “the patriarchy;” it was a really strong year for those two categories.
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but America did
What does this mean?
America Ferrera is an actress in the movie.
I guess I was a little too patriotic in mind there 😅.
I ain’t even American and I was hella confused. I guess I can’t moan too much, it is a movies instance after all.
MERICA NOMINATION YEEEHAWWW
What actresses got nominated? You realize it might be possible there were better actresses from other movies?
And maybe Ryan was a lot better than most other actors.
Strong performances this year:
Nominees:
Annette Bening - Nyad
Lily Gladstone - Killers of the Flower Moon
Sandra Hüller - Anatomy of a Fall
Carey Mulligan - Maestro
Emma Stone - Poor Things
Need to see Anatomy and Maestro but Emma deserves that shit
It’s like people making the complaint forgot that there were other movies with women in them.
The Oscars have ALWAYS been bullshit. The best films of a given year rarely get nominated let alone win. Barbie made a boatload of money and Gerwig will be able to make at least a few risky projects based on its success. I wish we would all collectively ignore the Oscars because the academy contributes so little to the art of film
Yup, very often the “winner” is determined because it’s their “turn” or they deserve it more so than what they did that actual year. Leonardo Di Capero (SP?) for a great example.
I also propose Jaime Lee Curtis last year, definitely felt more like a lifetime achievement oscar than that particular role
Not always, remember how they snobbed Chadwick Boseman?
I think the thousands of people in the Academy who vote on these movies probably beg to differ with your assessment of how the awards get handed out.
And kids in high school will tell you they voted for the person the would make the best class president…
Of course somehow that always seems to be the most popular person… Hmmm
As someone that never saw the movie. All the clips, gifs and memes people make about it are the Ken scenes. Nobody talks about barbie presumably because her character and performance were good, but just kinda safe, middle of the road stuff.
Maybe
Can you repeat the question?
Maybe you just hang out on male spaces and men generally find Ken jokes funnier?
I don’t know
I saw a few memes from her but her acting wasn’t middle of the road by any means. She had to do the more dramatic parts and Ryan did almost all the comedy. And we all know comedy does give more material for memeing.
Also I noticed her memes were showing in my wife’s feed so I assume there’s some echo chamber effect going on.
Hot take: none of the performances in the movie are deserving of an Oscar.
Very good point I didn’t consider
No
Yes.
You’re not the boss of me, now
Sigh.
Still “Esteemed Academy Award nominated character actress Margot Robbie” for now.
It’s such a shame about their eyesight.
You and Rhea Pearlman, just hanging out at the Oscars…
Jesus fucking christ these comments.
Oh no! Some rich people didn’t get nominated for some awards.
This is kind of stupid tbh. Margot and Greta are NOT competing against Ryan. They’re competing against other females. This is because of this thing called “categories”.
Ryan getting nominated has NOTHING to do with this. It’s not like Ryan got nominated but they didn’t because he took their place.
This is happening because of the absolute flood of female centric characters and movies that came out recently. There’s too much competition. And much to the “feminists” dismay, Barbie is actually mid compared to the other movies and actresses.
There was 1 female director nominated.
Ok. Which directors do you think were snubbed?
I’m responding to op saying greta was beat out by other females. This is factually wrong since there’s only one other female director.
Awesome, thanks for making that clear. Now, which other females do you think should’ve been nomimated? Because if there aren’t any, she was simply beat out by other directors.
I think Greta should have been nominated. I don’t really understand what point you are trying to make. Did you read the original comment where women are getting passed over but men are getting congratulated for theirs and it’s mimicking the Barbie storyline?
They literally compete in different categories and an actress from Barbie did get nominated. The ones that didn’t weren’t snubbed, other women got their place because they were better. Simple as that.
It feels like you’re saying there should be more. I have no idea who’s been nominated, nor do I know most of the films that came out last year, so I’m out of the loop and would like to know if you have any female director movies you’d recommend in place of who’s been nominated.
Barbie was a cultural phenomenon so I would say Greta should at least be nominated. Openheimer was an ok movie in my eyes I didn’t see any of the others. I don’t personally think Barbie was a great movie not a bad movie but more like a good movie. The fact it gave a voice to so many women should mean something.
You said it, it was a cultural phenomenom, not a great movie. Those are two very separate, very different things. That does not mean that the director of the movie was great. It’s more closely related to what Barbie already means (socially) and the marketing campaign.
But why was openheimer nominated, why was Ryan gosling nominated, why were so many movies nominated, not because they’re great acting or writing or movies but because the impact they have on society.
Oppenheimer is a great movie, though, that’s why it was nominated.
Beause it’s a better movie. Because he was better than other male actors in movies from 2023. That last one I’m not sure what you’re talking about. Which movie was nominated because of its “social impact”?
What percentage of directors are female?
I feel like it should be 50% as they make up just over half of the US population.
I could only quickly get statistics for 2019.
https://womenandhollywood.com/resources/statistics/
On the top 100 grossing films of 2019, women represented:
10.7% of directors 19.4% of writers 24.3% of producers 70.4% of casting directors
But it’s not 50%. The goal of equity and equality is laudable, but it doesn’t reflect reality
Right, but it is important to understand the origin of those differences.
They could be prohibition, straight discrimination, social stigma, culture or personal preference. And these are usually linked together and evolve over time. Once prohibition is abolished, discrimination begins. Once discrimination is abolished, social stigma remains… It’s like decaying radioactive elements.
But yeha, if there are 10% female directors and 10% of the winners were female, sounds like there’s no discrimination there. Anyways, even if percentages don’t match it’s important to go in and check if the decisions were fair. What if the 10% of female directors are really really bad for the movies released that year?
Too many variables. Things like these require statistical analysis, social analysis, artistic analysis… Pretty complex. I don’t know.
Cool, it sounded like you were spouting idealist nonsense without recognizing it, but that’s not the case, so fuck yeah! Let’s celebrate underrepresented artistic influence!
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Lmao.
Well, those of us who’ve actually been intimate with and listened to women over the years understand that, while just a Hollywood movie, Barbie was a reasonably accurate commentary on how shitty this whole farce of “men do it best (yes everything)” winds up sucking for both men and women (and all in between).
What didn’t you like? Did you expect a movie about toys coming to our world to have a haunting belabored plot that explored every realm of literary significance? Or are you sad that it made men being stupid actually as ridiculous as it looks?
That’s funny because my wife hated it and said it was just a two hour complaint session while I thought it just did a mediocre job of conveying its message (which I agree with) at best. She absolutely hated the rant about being a woman while I thought the message was just done in the Hollywood ‘character rants at a crowd’ cliche instead of being done in a better way. A better way would have been ranting to her kid after something immediate prompts it instead of in a group rant removed from any immediate conflict. It just felt forced.
All of the Barbies and Kens were Hollywood movie stereotypical dumb. Yes, I know they are supposed to be dolls who are influenced by their owners or something (per stereotypical Barbie), and mostly cared for by children. But it could have had some nuance. And why are some of them smart, like Allen and Weird Barbie but not the doctor or president Barbie?
Some of the jokes seem like punch lines without any setup. Like the ‘I don’t have genitals’ came out of nowhere and since she seemed to be confused by catcalls it made no sense for Barbie to blurt that out at that point in time.
They did not actually explain the patriarchy besides ‘only men in charge’. They didn’t cover how even women can prop it up, unless the Kens just saying Patriarchy over and over without any explanation was supposed to convey that. I don’t know, that scene made zero sense too. Like the Kens being possibly homeless only needed a line about where they stayed at night like maybe camping on the beach and the Barbies thinking they were fine with it. Or even a two second moment of them packing up their tents at the beach in the morning. No time is needed, just context for why they might want to take over other than not being invited to girl’s night.
Apparently men being in charge was bad, but they just ended up going back to only women in charge. They didn’t do anything with the suggested possibility that the Kens were homeless, or that the matriarchy is just the reverse of patriarchy and they seemed to just go back to the Barbie world status quo at the end. Was that supposed to be a happy ending as an alternative to the children’s understanding of how the real world is a patriarchy? Addressing that would have been great! That would at least make keeping Barbieland a matriarchy a somewhat happy ending.
So many things just came out of nowhere. Why did president business know about previous Barbies coming into the real world? Was that a bad thing? Was there something that came about from it? Are we supposed to just assume that he wanted to sort things out to avoid something? That was very unclear.
So in summary, I think all of the events of the movie could have been done far better with better writing with the exact same message, jokes needed better set ups or at least some context for them to land instead of seemingly out of nowhere, and a few things that were implied could have been addressed with a single line or a second or two for visual context.
Thanks for writing this out, I can only disagree with how much exposition was actually necessary, as I think most people in the audience got the gists pretty quickly. I’m glad your wife has an opinion on it too, humans as a group are not monoliths.
Patriarchy is becoming less of a problem, the tricky part has been elevating women without weakening men. We’re all still good at what we do, and should be allowed to do what we are good at if it’s beneficial to society. I add that last part as a stfu to the dunce who talk-shouts “but what if they’re good at murdering???”.
The plot has serious holes in it, as is customary for a lot of silly Hollywood movies, hell I think a few of the holes were purposeful for the sake of absurdity. I’m not trying to make a silly movie seem deep and pretentious by enhancing writing mistakes, just laughing at the result whether intentional or not. Maybe it was a little hammy. Meh, as is customary for pop films, especially ones with retro-80s-90s styling.
I mean you’ve seen some of those movies from back in the day, right? All to say, your analysis is probably valid, so is mine, who cares, it was ridiculous and I laughed because of it.
I was honestly hoping for something closer to Lego Movie which did an excellent job of balancing absurdity in the context of the toys with emotional moments about relationships while also being a feature length commercial. Trying to pass off obvious plot holes as being intentional when they weren’t lampshaded is just giving the movie far more credit than it deserves.
Honestly there are a ton of movies that have the same basic approach of an oblivious person in the real world learning something fairly complex while balancing silly and emotional that were done so much better.
Patriarchy is becoming less of a problem, the tricky part has been elevating women without weakening men.
Speaking as a man, there should be zero concern about weakening men while elevating women. It is not a zero sum game and men who think that it is can go fuck themselves.
Cool. At least you gave it a shot, and from how much attention you paid the movie, seems like you at least appreciate how much work went into making it.
Not everyone’s gonna be happy with a final product. That’s all that can be said.
I’ll point out, btw, your last paragraph was the primary thrust of the movie, in my opinion.
The movie did a terrible job of conveying the last sentence in my opinion. I know that is what they were trying to convey, but I think the execution was terrible.
To be clear, I loved some parts of the movie and laughed a lot.
- Stereotypical Barbie being the mom’s toy instead of the child’s was a fantastic idea!
- Weird Barbie was the absolute best written character, but I don’t get why she was the only self aware Barbie.
- All the Kens singing ‘I want to push you around’ as a serenade was fucking hysterical for a bunch of reasons. I wish all of the humor was at that level!
- The montage for moving between worlds was fantastic (the first time)
- President Business or whatever they called him in this movie wanting to stand up for women was pretty clever, but clashes with the all male board in the movie when in reality where 5 of the 11 board members are women. They could have had women members who were over talked or something to reinforce the patriarchy being slightly more complex that ‘all men all the time’.
- Heck, even the Kens being sad about being second class citizens was a great idea and I think they just didn’t make it clear enough even though they had scenes where they touched on it.
To be honest, I wouldn’t have even written any of these posts if I had not had high hopes for the movie and just assumed it would be generic Hollywood pandering.
Drivel
Having a hard time articulating any sort of argument, huh? Need a dictionary to teach you some more words? Or maybe an English class to teach you how to form a coherent, complete sentence?
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“it’s bad because I said so. No I don’t have to back my argument up.”
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Dunce.
Dumbfuck… can I call you “Dumbfuck”? Dumbfuck: if you had said you didn’t like the concept or plot or don’t like X as an actor or whatever that’s fine, I wouldn’t agree with you but that’s fine. But to say it’s just a “stupid shit movie” means ignoring excellent sets, excellent costumes, excellent casting, excellent cinematography, excellent writing, excellent line delivery, excellent music, etc. Not every great movie has good all of those things, this one did, so even if you didn’t like the message (which cleverly switched throughout the movie) any of those things still gives you something to appreciate. Unless you’re really fucking dumb, Dumbfuck.
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Hmmm…this seems like something a dumb-fuck would say to deflect from their own dumb-fuckery, so I’m a bit skeptical 🫤 🤔 😘
Ah, dumb fuck deuce.
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I know it’s always meant to be, you’re a clown… But it just looks like your username with the clown face every time, not the person you’re trying to call a clown. Just sayin lol.
yuriy 🤡
well i’m just as surprised as the clown emoji to read such a shitty take, so as far as i’m concerned it still fits
What was the movie about according to you?
I still haven’t seen it. Please hold back from spoilers.
It’s about Beach.
Damn now I never see
Ken kills Dumbledore
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Triggered, huh?
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Believe it or not, people are allowed to like things you don’t like.
Why should people be triggered by “Hollywood crapolla”? This reminds me of that bit John Waters has about how a lady called the cops after renting Pink Flamingos.
Why don’t they just turn it off if it’s offensive? Thats what I did when “Forrest Gump” started running.
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So it’s bad for a movie to make you laugh, and also you laugh when you’re triggered. Got it.
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Piss baby admits being triggered! Everyone laugh at the snowflake piss baby!
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The acting was the worst part of the Barbie movie. Don’t get me wrong, I enjoyed watching it in the theater, but no one should be surprised that Margot Robbie didn’t catch the nomination when she was up against actual films with real performances in it. The acting in Barbie is just memeable moments for the internet. Mind you, Barbie being nominated for Production Design and Original Song make perfect sense and it’ll probably win those categories.
For me the plot was total crap. Like they just wanted men to be retards at any cost. It felt pretty sexist for a movie about equality.
It was also filled with bullshit, like the Mattel board being only male. Same for the supreme court.
It’s insane that they also focused on white American women… The most privileged type of woman in the world. Real shit is happening in the middle east, not in New York.
I don’t know, it was such a wasted opportunity to actually make a point… They were just too focused trying to make the perfect white woman into a victim and all the males into absolute retards.
“white women swung their Gucci boot over the fence of oppression and stuck themselves at the front of the line”
Their whole point was: “oh no, social expectations” because that’s literally the only thing a white American woman can complain about.
“They want you to be nice, they want you to smile, they want you to be pretty”…
Bitch, I can give you a list of 10k lines of expectations women have for men.
“They need to be tall, they need to have money, they need a nice car, they need to provide”
I’m very impressed people actually think it was a good movie about feminism. This isn’t what an oppressed woman looks like. An oppressed woman is forced to stay at home and gets her shit beat up if she tries to learn how to read.
“Oh no! The male patriarchy, they want me to dress with girly clothes, I’m oppressed!!” but they see a man wearing a skirt and they laugh.
I was really dissapointed to see no Mojo Dojo Casa in shops this last Christmas. It would have been a killer.
A woman goes out to discover herself and the world, in a movie so colorful, I constantly smiled in my seat. A man on her side that struggles with his masculinity. A parental figure that is only there for the lead to discover how far she came. A family to be part of in the end.
Poor things makes Barbies pink pale. In every aspect. Emma Stone stands without competition this year.
Emma Stone is probably the favorite to win Best Actress.
Kind of a weird thing for him to say imo. It’s not like they got snubbed, this year was just really stacked, and the other nominations being filled with other incredibly talented women shows that. Be happy for them, don’t put a damper on their achievements because you’re upset that your co-star didn’t get nominated.
Obviously I get that he can’t help how he feels, but making this whole statement just feels like an odd choice.
I don’t follow your logic.
He’s saying that without the leading actors of the film being who they are - simply, the extremely talented people they they are - he wouldn’t have had a movie in which to act (the Barbie movie) to shine and gain the honor of being nominated.
More to the point, him being nominated when they are not, is, in and of itself, ironic; on several levels.
His entire sentiment here is that they should have had recognition for their roles in a very culturally relevant film, in which they did really great work. They commanded the screen in a way that few can. The entire thing pivots around the leading characters.
Honestly, I couldn’t give two fucks about how stacked the year was. If you examine mentions of films in news, social media, and other sources where people discuss movies, the Barbie movie would be mentioned a lot more than pretty much any other. And yet, the headlining character, played by an amazingly talented young woman, didn’t get nominated?
Bluntly, I’m surprised his comments were this restrained. If I was in his shoes I would have told them to take their nomination and shove it. It clearly doesn’t mean anything if they won’t even give a nomination to Margot. Her performance was picture perfect as far as I’m concerned.
Just cause you make a movie about women doesn’t mean you should get an Oscar. There were better directors and acted movies out there (in the opinion of the voters). That’s why it didn’t make the cut.
I personally didn’t even like the movie and definitely don’t think it deserves an award for best directing or acting.
With all of is controversy with the Barbie movie and nominations next year we might see an expansion of the pool of nominations
Smaller how TDK changed how the best picture nomination was awarded but we could do the same thing for actor and actress nominations. After 2008 a lot of people felt that the dark night was snub for best picture, so the academy changed the number of nominations that could be awarded for best picture. Originally only five movies could be nominated for best picture but after 2008 the minimum number of best picture nominees was 10. a few years later 10 was too much so they changed it to minimum 5 and maximum of 10 nominations. I think that’s a good compromise because some years have very good performances while other years have mediocre, but you can definitely find five performances that outshined everyone else and having a maximum of 10 nominations limits the number of people that can be nominated.
I personally think we should remove the gendered nominations for acting actresses and instead separate them by age. Same way how the Grammys removed gender nominations, but instead for the academy. If you separate them by age, it makes more sense. Most older actors and actresses can’t play roles that are for younger actors and actresses and vice versa for young artists. It is also more inclusive for trans and non-binary artists. It also evens the playing field a little bit because generally speaking older performers have more experience so it’s harder for younger performers to be nominated.
personally think we should remove the gendered nominations for acting actresses
No this would be a bad idea. Then any time a man won (or got nominated like Ryan here), people will be like “omg patriarchy”. Look at what’s happening now. They’re not even nominated in the same category, and people are bitching. It’s gonna be so much worse if this is implemented. Men can’t get nominated at all.
Great thoughts and proposals. Thank your for the history, insight, and forethought!
