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Who would’ve thought? This isn’t going to fly with the EU.
Article 5.3 of the Digital Markets Act (DMA): “The gatekeeper shall not prevent business users from offering the same products or services to end users through third-party online intermediation services or through their own direct online sales channel at prices or conditions that are different from those offered through the online intermediation services of the gatekeeper.”
Friendly reminder that you can sideload apps without jailbreaking or paying for a dev account using TrollStore, which utilises core trust bugs to bypass/spoof some app validation keys, on a iPhone XR or newer on iOS 14.0 up to 16.6.1. (ANY version for iPhone X and older)
Install guide: Trollstore
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For the hate-cult members circle-jerking over imaginary arguments with “fan boys” here. Actual Apple users either completely agree with the criticism, or simply don’t even care.
Feel free to hate on Apple the company, but stop trying so hard to make this place a home for baseless toxicity.
Edit: And just to drive home how pathetic this is, here’s a link to an article posted elsewhere in the fediverse about Google being shady af. Go look through those comments for a single soul saying anything about “Google/Android fanboys”.
If they actually hated it, I doubt they’d be on a platform that restricted side loading in the first place. This feels strongly of “no true scotsman” fallacy.
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FWIW, I would prefer to use iOS, but instead use GrapheneOS (ungoogled android) specifically because I want sideloading.
What is this gaslighting you’re trying to pull here? You’re really going to pretend that Apple fanboys don’t exist and instead start criticising some sort of perceived toxicity from a “hate cult” against Apple? That’s before you get into some bizarre Google strawman. The reality is that these Apple fanboys with values antithetical to software freedom exist, and want walled gardens everywhere.
What purpose would there be in gaslighting something like this out of nowhere? Genuine question.
If you want to see examples of baseless vitriol directed at apple users, just keep reading the rest of the replies to OP’s post.The reality is that these Apple fanboys with values antithetical to software freedom exist,
Sure, just like anywhere else. You can’t point your finger exclusively at the apple camp for that.
and want walled gardens everywhere.
Speaking of staw men…
Some apple users prefer apple’s walled garden, sure, but they’re not going around saying Google, Windows or Linux must be walled as well.What purpose would there be in gaslighting something like this out of nowhere? Genuine question.
Most people, including myself, prefer their own version of reality. You are promoting a version of reality that I do not find tasteful at all. With conflicting realities, meaningful disagreement is impossible and the only thing I can do is question the narratives that oppose my own.
More generally, ego also plays a huge part in why people do this. Apple has a significant following that will defend its every decision. It’s brand has become personal identity for a lot of people. To the extent where I’ve been seeing news articles over the past two years about teenagers being bullied for using Android. This also happens to be the reason why people point their finger at Apple; because Apple users are the main group with such a distinct identity.
Go look through those comments for a single soul saying anything about “Google fanboys”.
I mean, I agree with your sentiment, but I don’t think there have been actual “Google Fanboys” in like 10 years or so, whereas there are some real fans of Apple products and often they have good reasons to be a fan.
Apple has some shitty business practices sure, but they also produce the last consumer-level Certified UNIX machines you can easily get.
So I guess my point is Apple “fanboys” still exist because there’s some valid things to be fans for in regards to Apple. (Their new in-house CPUs aren’t too shabby either)
I can’t think of a single thing that Google has done in ten years that has generated tech community enthusiasm or was interesting enough for anyone to fanboy over. No, they’ve mostly just killed all the products people liked during that time.
I mean fuck Google+ came out in 2011 and that was the beginning of the end of people giving a shit about Google.
So while I get what you’re saying, I think the reality is that Google Fanboys simply stopped existing and Apple “fanboys” are probably less absurd than people make them out to be. The only Apple “fanboy” I know is a Linux Guru who uses Apple products to record music.
The point I’m going for is that I never see such levels of spite and toxicity directed at users of other platforms, be it Android, windows, Linux or whatever.
(Which is good, because that would be just as absurd as it is when directed at Apple users.)
Yeah, I’m not really sure where that vitriol comes from. I think it might be leftover nerd elitism from a time when Apple products were mostly used for art and media production (we used them heavily for Final Cut Pro and Photoshop when I worked in local television), and so a lot of tech nerds got their panties in a twist because art nerds were invading their space, but that’s just a guess.
And also, that was like fifteen years ago? Let it go, if that’s the reason.
This isn’t going to fly with the EU.
If the EU didn’t want to allow this then they should have written the law differently, but poorly-written regulations are their specialty. Apple’s plan complies with the letter of the law. Developers are free to use a direct sales channel and can offer any price they want, along with various conditions that aren’t an option in the App Store. They just have to pay a commission for access to the lucrative market Apple built. The specific percentage of the commission is such that it’s not actually a desirable option for developers, but the law didn’t say that Apple had to make it desirable to avoid the App Store’s existing sales system.
I can’t wait to use AI to scam the elderly into side loading bitcoin miners.
scam influencers with lambos
Who would’ve thought? This isn’t going to fly with the EU.
Article 5.3 of the Digital Markets Act (DMA): “The gatekeeper shall not prevent business users from offering the same products or services to end users through third-party online intermediation services or through their own direct online sales channel at prices or conditions that are different from those offered through the online intermediation services of the gatekeeper.”
Apple has an annual legal budget of approximately infinity dollars. I assure you they are aware of this and they believe they are in compliance, even if just barely.
If challenged, they will have no problem fighting it — they have nearly as much cash on hand as the entire EU budget.
I hope the EU challenges this, and I hope the EU wins, but Apple isn’t going to be surprised by whatever happens.
I sure do love how global justice comes down to which party has more money to piss away rather than what’s right or wrong.
Yup. I’m just gonna sip this coffee while it all burns down.
There’s the letter and there’s the spirit of the law. Even if Apple has found a brilliant loophole the courts can just say well it’s technically true but you’re still breaking the law nonetheless, lawyer budget be damned.
The EU court is a Roman court, not an Anglo Saxon court. The spirit of the law is what matters, not the technicalities.
Second, the EU can change the laws that create the outcome they don’t like. By the people, for the people. Apple will play within the EU’s rules or Apple won’t play in the EU.
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They will get free publicity and show the users how they stand up to the overreaching government. Their users will eat it up.
Apple has also been known to ignore laws and pay fines for breaking them. The store is a major revenue stream so they might just do that.
Yup. If the only penalty is a fine, and that fine doesn’t scale to the business’ profits? A profitable enough business could simply factor in the fines as a cost of doing business.
Imagine you could make $1000 and only get fined $200 after the fact. No extra penalties. Just a flat $200 fine for every time you violate it. So as long as you expect to be able to top that $200 fine, a business will elect to just pay the fine and continue doing the illegal thing.
If the only penalty is a fine
The regulator has the power to ban sales, so I don’t think that particular “cost of doing business” line applies to this dispute.
The fine would be approximately 10% of Apple’s total revenue and the fine increases by 10% every violoation so I doubt that Apple can not accept the regulations.
Unfortunately, Apple has the resources, both legal and financial, to tie that up in the EU courts for decades.
You’re underestimating what EU can get gone when they’re motivated to get it done.
What if I told you one of those two can make new laws?
In one afternoon the Commission+Parliament can change the basis of whatever case Apple wants to fight. And they are up against Vestager - she makes multinational software companies bend the knee twice before lunch.
We’ll see what happens
I suppose they can charge to use their own side-loading software, or their alternative app store, but I’m not sure what happens if a third party offers a side-loading platform that doesn’t pay Apple.
I suppose they can just refuse to allow such platforms to exist, but the EU may not feels that satisfies their grievances. Eventually they’re going to have to require side-loading.
And Apples file system sucks
Its restricted af, some people in my class don’t even know what a folder is because of their iPhones (gen z for context)
of course Apple plans to charge fees for sideloading, a bunch of scumbags, but fear not, Apple fan boys cult members will regurgitate Apple’s propaganda as gospel
Already happening, just look at some comments
The fanboys make me angrier than Apple. It’s so frustrating to discuss something with someone who is so brainwashed.
think about this: to me, all you really toxic people (including the OP, for shame) against Apple are the ones looking quite brainwashed, culty, back-bitey and very small minded. probably because you are. think about that for a second before you snap reply - there ARE more than just your side to this buddy.
What is your side to this? Can you explain it to me?
A lot of the comments I’ve read who are on apples side, make claims that are not realistic or don’t give any reasons at all for being on apples side.
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I will never switch to iOS until they allow both sideloading and other browser engines.
I hate that I buy my phone from a shitty advertising company like Google but atleast they don’t treat me like a child and let me use my universal turing machine universally.
Saw an article just today about Apple allowing other browser
renserinenfijeswtf autocorrect, I typed engines, but only in the EU.OK, so how do I make iOS think it’s in the EU then?
other browser renserinenfijes
what happened there lmao
No idea, must be the auto renserinenfijes.
Autoincorrect and I didn’t notice. Wtf? Hahaha
Or I was having a stroke
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Only on Samsung for the fuse thing. That damned Knox.
They don’t give you root access out of the box because the vast majority of users don’t want or care about it, whilst being a pretty wide open door for bad actors. As far as I know, pixels are the easiest android phone to flash stuff too. I’ve only heard of Samsung blowing e-fuses upon flashing custom ROMs.
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i have unlocked bootloader of every single smartphone I’ve ever had, ranging from Xiaomi, Samsung, Motorola to Google.
pixels are the easiest to unlock. there are several mediocre things about pixels(battery life, refresh rate, etc.). but unlocking bootloader isn’t one of them.
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why the hell would you root a device supplied to you by your employer? It’s not yours.
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I steer clear of doing anything personal with work related devices. but even then, Android at least allows for two separate profiles.
Support small refurbishing shops online and buy your phone used from them, and put Linux or another Android fork such as Calyxos or Graphene on them. Works great for me.
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Did Tim Cook have a bad trip or something? Apple normally isn’t this blatantly shitty.
They’re always this shitty, the difference is that usually they can just throw enough money at politicians to get their way at the government level so their shit just stinks behind closed doors. But for one shining moment a government that matters actually told them “no” so they have no choice but to be shitty in public instead. Well, I mean they could choose to not be anti-consumer and forgo some of the obscene profits they extract from their users but then they wouldn’t be Apple.
Makes sense
Apple normally isn’t this blatantly shitty.
(¬_¬ ) Dude, you been living under a rock?
No
Joke aside, Apple has always been anti-consumer and shitty. Unfortunately.
Apple is the company we all love to hate.
They make it too easy.
But not this blatantly.
Every week they’re trying a new way to not follow it.
IOS is the worst operating system i have ever used
Why do people buy it?
Privacy and security mostly I would imagine
Closed source software can’t be audited, so it can’t be secure. If software isn’t secure, the exploits rid it of any privacy.
See: The bimonthly remote takeover bugs that keep getting found. Like this one: https://citizenlab.ca/2023/09/blastpass-nso-group-iphone-zero-click-zero-day-exploit-captured-in-the-wild/
“Oh whoopsy doopsy, looks like your iPhone, camera, files, GPS and more were accessible to someone who sent you an iMessage… for the third time this year”
Closed source software can’t be audited, so it can’t be secure
That’s the biggest load of bullshit I’ve ever heard.
Closed source software is audited all the time.
Ok let me rephrase - nobody without a conflict of interest can audit a closed source application. If Microsoft paid for an audit of Windows, that doesn’t tell you anything about whether or not Windows is backdoored.
The audit is not for you. Closed source software is audited all the time, but the results of those audits are generally confidential. This is about finding security bugs, not deliberate backdoors.
The key with this is who do you trust. Sure, open source can be audited by everyone, but is it? You can’t audit all the code you use yourself, even if you have the skills, it’s simply too much. So you still need to trust another person or company, it really doesn’t change the equation that much.
In practice, most common open source software is used and contributed to by hundreds of people. So it naturally does get audited by that process. Closed source software can’t be confirmed to not be malicious, so it can’t be confirmed to be secure, so back to my original point, it can’t be private.
I didn’t go into that much detail in my original comment, but it was what I meant when I first wrote it. As far as “does everyone audit the software they use”, the answer is obviously no. But, the software I use is mostly FOSS and contributed to by dozens of users, sometimes including myself. So when alarms are rung over the smallest things, you have a better idea of the attack vectors and privacy implications.
In practice, most common open source software is used and contributed to by hundreds of people. So it naturally does get audited by that process.
Just working on software is not the same as actively looking for exploits. Software security auditing requires a specialised set of skills. Open source also makes it easier for black-hat hackers to find exploits.
Hundreds of people working on something is a double-edged sword. It also makes it easy for someone to sneak in an exploit. A single-character mistake in code could cause an exploitable bug, and if you are intent on deliberately introducing such an issue it can be very hard to spot and even if caught can be explained away as an honest to god mistake.
By contrast, lots of software companies screen their employees, especially if they are working on critical code.
Because it’s familiar, easy, pretty and does a lot of thinking for you.
Familiar only if you worked with it before.
Easy… fair enough.
Pretty… debatable.
Apple established itself as a luxury brand. So it gives customers this “prestige feeling”. That’s at least my take.
I have both an iPhone and a Samsung. Both work well but I still prefer the iPhone though it’s a 6 years old one. I’m not an expert but I feel like every app use more familiar choices for design.
Think different, but stay the same, In Apple’s world, that’s the game. A touch of irony, don’t you think? In a sea of similar, we all sink.
Yeah, I agree. I used it for 6 months for work and it’s not my thing, but plenty of people seem to love it. I guess the high price is actually a feature.
lol this is such a weird blanket statement that means nothing. congratulations, you can baselessly slam something you don’t like. Why are you the way you are, is the better question. iOS has clear benefits and there are a plethora of reasons of why one would choose an iPhone over the other options.
but GO OFF, random internet pleb.
Have you actually sat down and used iOS as your full time phone OS for a week? If you’re used to android then yes there’s quirks you have to learn. But after being a diehard android user for years I could never go back. And that’s that I still use both every day since my work phone is Android and my person phone is an iPhone.
I use iOS every day.
It SUCKS.
If all you want to do are the things Apple decides you can do, and want to do things only Apple’s way, it’s great.
I choose Apple phones for my work phone, since it’s managed by the company anyway, so even an Android would be locked down. And it’s not like I would use a corp phone for the things I do with my personal phone - there’s too much risk in that.
Apple won’t even allow apps to sync photos automatically. I don’t want to use their cloud, at all. I just want photos I take synced between my devices using a single tool. No reason for those photos to go anywhere else.
Currently I sync files, automatically, between a dozen devices. All my photos from every laptop and Android phone go to the same folder on one machine. Anything I download with any device is available, almost immediately, for all other devices.
Except for my iOS devices. They can’t play in this game, even though the same apps are available on iOS.
If all you want to do are the things Apple decides you can do, and want to do things only Apple’s way, it’s great.
Which is what most people want to do, and that’s why so many people love the iPhone.
Supposedly photo sync will back up all your photos to a local machine. iCloud does everything you’d want it to do minus the local server part. But once again that’s not what 99% of people want to do.
I just can’t not have a back button that’s always in the same place!
What button? Haven’t used a button on android for years now. Except power+volume ofc
One of the 3 virtual buttons that always display (4 for me since I have the accessibility button displayed also). (Background, homepage, and back- reverse order for standard android. I have Samsung)
Why not use the standard swiping gestures, it’s much more convenient and much faster.
I hate gesture controls. Even more fiddly and imprecise than fake buttons. Pinch zoom, scroll, and change page are more than enough.
How come it’s more fiddly? It works soooo smooth and reliable. And that coming from a dude who can’t type one error-free word on the phone.
lol the gesture controls on modern smartphones are overwhelmingly less fiddly (read: not at all) than your horrible excuses for defending an outdated piece of technology like ‘buttons’ when much better options exist.
lol back button - how freaking 2000s. buddy we just move our finger left on the screen and we go back. like are you a caveman? this is Android fans these days, crowing about obsolete pieces of their technology like it was good. it wasn’t then it really isn’t now.
Swiping from the left is almost universally a go back in ios.
With android’s gestures it simulates pressing the back button which is really awful. But iOS does swipes correctly.
Hahaha iOS swipe is awful.
If you 4 finger swipe now it goes back to previous app. Do it again now it goes to the app you just left. Wait a few seconds and it’s anybodies guess where it goes.
Even worse if you bring down the “notification” screen… Supposedly swiping up makes it go away, but it rarely works. Same with pulling up the app bar while in ful screen apps - that takes two swipes, and the second one has to be just so, not too fast, not too slow, and within some weird timing - try it too soon and it just doesn’t respond.
Apple’s swiping system is just a fucked up mess. (I use iOS all day long).
Swiping to go back to a previous app isn’t the best, but Androids implementation is just as janky. Once you figure out what the delay is for the current app to be the “latest app” then it’s not awful.
Maybe iPad OS is different, but I don’t ever have any issues with full screen apps on regular iOS.
Only if apps follow the IOS design patterns. I know at my previous company, we didn’t. And neither does the official Reddit app: https://frankrausch.com/ios-navigation
I chose Apple for my work phone for only one reason: battery life. It is a wildly inferior experience for anyone who wants or needs more than just a phone. The way I have to send photos and documents through other services just to get them to my computer, the utter lack of control of the phone’s file system, no sideloading…
If for any reason what you need can’t or won’t work through the Apple ecosystem, iPhones go from feeling pretty smooth to being an obstacle, and I’m not paying $1000+ for an obstacle.
iOS always felt slower tbh. Like it takes an extra step or two to do similar tasks. That and I love sideloading, rooting, and putting my homescreen apps towards the bottom too much to ever fully switch over.
I wanted a fast laptop without a fan and with a big haptic feedback touchpad. Happy to hear about non-Apple options for this.
Think you might have confused iOS and MacOS
MacOS is even worse than iOS. Have to use it for work. And while the hardware is the best I’ve ever used, the software is complete garbage.
Oh yeah, I completely concur. I don’t get the ux argument either, I always find it to be incredibly slow and frustrating to use whenever I have to
Desktop OSes today range from acceptable to abysmal.
- I put the user-focused Linux distributions at acceptable now that Flatpack is resolving a long-lasting issue with desktop Linux.
- The built in advertising and privacy invasion makes Windows 11 abysmal, though it seems they’ve finally found their rhythm on the UI language front
- macOS these days is firmly in mediocre territory. Window management hasn’t kept up with developments in other platforms and the OS feels dumb now. We had a very good OS in the Snow Leopard days, but that Apple doesn’t exist anymore.
These are fascinating requirements. Mind explaining?
Fast, quiet, big touch pad. What’d fascinating or out of the world here? These are just kind of things most people want, not everyone wants to manually update their kernel or whatever.
I’ve got an Asus ZenBook (specifically this one that came out last year). It does have a fan, but it’s pretty quiet. I barely notice it most of the time. It’s pretty fast, too. Don’t know how large of a touchpad you want, though.
Doesn’t look bad, but I’m guessing it doesn’t have a haptic touchpad? (Clicking is equally easy anywhere on the touchpad, because there isn’t actually a click, the click is simulated by a vibrator.)
No, there’s no haptic touchpad. TBH, I didn’t even know that was a thing.
I think Apple trademarked having a big touchpad. And possibly also one that works.
Because it’s cool apparently.
It’s cool because it is expensive so it is a status symbol. Just like wearing expensive jewelry is cool.
I don’t need people to think I’m cook if that is their criteria.
y’all people that keep saying ‘status symbol’ or ‘expensive’ really haven’t bought a phone in like a decade, right? because android phones are costing the same as apple flagships. how ignorant can you be?
Why do you think the prices rose? Maybe a little inflation but also because they wanted to be perceived as as good or better than the iPhone. So they had to match or exceed the price.
And this price match won’t change consumer perception overnight. Apple already had the “premium” perception and it will stick around for a long while.
Or get a fold phone if you want to burn money 💰
Because it’s a brand and people are morons who need external validation. Same reason for most brands - you pay a lot more for the same thing so you can seem cool or like you have money.
Because of course they are! There goes my plan to try an iPhone when side loading becomes available.
It’ll only be available in the EU.
Why do you want an iPhone?
I know Apple hate party in here but as a person with a bunch of self built PCs couple Linux boxes…
iPhones are great. No messing around, way more private than stock Google, and they work for… well, I’m on five years with mine. Still gets updates too!
Google phones have much better customizability and as result have better privacy than glass paperweight you mentioned.
I’m on five years with mine. Still gets updates too!
Nexus 6 still gets updates 10 years later.
Still they are not as good as Linux-first phones like PPP.
If you have the money for an iPhone and consider privacy as important, why not go with a Pixel/GrapheneOS or another phone with Lineage/Divest?
Here is my problem with a nonstandard operating system on a phone.
A rely on it to run my very small business. I don’t want to get blocked by an app I rely on or suddenly have it stop working due to running an unofficial operating system.
So it’s either stock Android or stock iOS. iOS I’d say is more private than Android, so I stick with them.
I don’t see how google would block something unless you are rooted. Custom os’es pass all the security checks besides the os integrity one that doesn’t affect your daily use.
I’m not worried about Google blocking it but rather the app I use to say, “hey something weird is going on with this phone better block/ban that account.
I know the risk is minimal, but it’s not could be a huge disruption to my income, so it’s just not worth it.
No they don’t, at least not necessarily. I had the xiaomi.eu ROM on my old phone and it broke SafetyN*t checks, and as a consequence at the very least one of my banking apps refused to work (this one I actually need to verify credit card charges in some cases, it’s not just a nice to have unfortunately).
I probably would have been better off rooting it since then you can bypass it I think, but I didn’t want to have to reapply root after every update.
Someone downvoted you INSTANTLY, that’s fucked up.
I choose iOS because it requires zero messing about. I use like no apps on my phone and want it to just be fast forever with no work. I don’t want to have to think about it at all.
Apple fanboys coming in :) I get your point, iOS is still easier to set up than stock android due to all of the restrictions that it has (I’m a Android main with an iPhone for testing). I am the opposite, I like tweaking everything that I can and can not, main reason why I jailbroke my iPhone, but I do have time to do that while some just want a working system out of the box.
I am the opposite. I want a phone that’s locked down and super secure and requires no fiddling.
Computer? I want to make it mine.
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Yeah I used to be in the same boat but then apple kept being apple. I’ll get a pixel + lineage after my phone breaks.
I’ll… iPhone. I plug into my PCs, incremental image backup. I phone break? New phone is now old phone. I lose phone? Still same phone, but new device.
Unga bunga. Ez phone no think. Don’t care. Phone do bad? Same phone but new. No fuckin.
They have great build quality and software, it’s a shame Apple has some terrible policies about their ecosystem and repairabilty of their devices, wasting the hard work of so many if their brilliant engineers by being greedy.
As someone who uses both Android and iOS, I appreciate my Pixel 8 Pro running GrapheneOS (a custom version of Android) more and more.
Do you face recognition or use a password? I can’t get passed pixel 3 for fingerprinting and even that cuz I can manually lock off the truely unstrustable method fingerprinting. That but not well enough. I honestly despise the gorramn pixel and can’t wait til my Librem gets useable.
I use the fingerprint sensor. Don’t get a Librem, it’s a scam and security on it is a disaster. Stick with GrapheneOS. Heck, stock is more secure than the Librem, believe it or not. I wouldn’t touch that thing with a 10ft pole.
I got it already and I have zero doubt in it. Your accusation will not cut me any doubt. I’ve heard that bit extensively and I have an entirely different awareness of it.
Also got Librem 13. Dunno what actually broke on it but I swapped the NVMe on it and sent back within the 3y warranty I bought on it and they sent me it again but it didn’t work and sent it back and they sent me a brand new one. That was after two years and the replacement lasted another two years. Dunno what’s really wrong with it and haven’t messed with trying to fix it myself out of the warranty now yet
I tried for the months to get GrapheneOS to work and made zero success with installing it. Tried CalyxOS after all that and got it done twice with success one one day on each two Pixel 3 and Pixel 4 (XL’s on both, total two days).
How do you get Pixel 8 work with the fingerprint? My 4 stuck me with the gorramn password. Which, in all fairness was the best thing ever because that is thus far the most secure device I’ve set up. Nothing but the password is truely to ONLY secure device arrangeable.
Having different functions available for different passwords at varying levels of accessfor shorter security is the best option that does NOT exist. Even the Librem doesn’t get that higher level of tiered access setup…*sigh…yet.
I won’t stop you from using the Librem but at the end of the day a false sense of security is more damaging than anything else. I can with 100% certainty assure you that even your average Samsung phone has better security than the Librem. A phone with absolute abbysmal and ancient hardware that Purism sells for 10-20 times the cost of an equivalently powerful Android phone from AliExpress. Heck, even the PinePhone (which also runs Linux) sells for like $200 and has better hardware. Purism is a scam company. I know you don’t want to hear this but it’s the truth.
You set up the fingerprint sensor on the Pixel 8 like any other Android phone. Either during first setup or by going into your security settings.
I know better than to ever give Samsung any money let alone any respect or delusion of security.
At the end of the day you are trusting someone you don’t know with all sense of identity, privacy, and knowledge of yourself: location, history, and money.
Fuck that. I’ll take FOSS.
As to fingerprint. How so? There’s no longer a fingerprint reader.
The fact is there’s no privacy without security and the Librem doesn’t have the latter.
The sensor is built into the display.
You trust Samsung. I’ll take you word with a grain of salt.
As to pixel. Ty. I’ll have to look into that.
This is a rather specific question, but can you cast audio from arbitrary apps to WiFi speakers from your Pixel? Similar to airplay on iOS (if that’s what it is called)?
Via Chromecast if the speaker supports it yeah
Exactly the same here P8P gOS and using an iPhone as a testing device (Jailbreaking etc)
Good, charge those gossip wannabies… in the meanwhile I will use Android and I will not pay a flying fuck… LMAO…
I‘d be really surprised if Apple tried that.
They have to know that it violates the DMA. And the penalty for violating it can be up to 10% of their yearly worldwide revenue (not earnings!) for the first violation and up to 20% for repeated violations. I don‘t think they‘d risk that, especially as the EU really isn’t known for its leniency when someone intentionally breaks their rules.
I’m not too sure that these actions violate the letter of the law here, even though I agree that they’re 100% in violation of the spirit of the law.
It’s been some years since I’ve put the mobile development world behind me, in no small part because of Apple’s shenanigans, but the way I understand how this might work - Apple may be required to allow “iOS software” to be installed from third party stores, but software that runs on iOS must either be signed using a certificate that only allows installation in a developer or enterprise context (which require explicit and obvious user consent to that specific use case, and come with other restrictions such as the installation only lasting for a limited period of time), or through an “appstore” certificate that allows installation on any device, but the actual application package will need to go through Apple’s pipeline (where I believe it gets re-signed before final distribution on the App Store). All certificates, not just the appstore ones, are centrally managed by Apple and they do have the power to revoke, or refuse to renew, any of those certificates at-will.
If my understanding is correct (I’d appreciate if any up-to-date iOS devs could fact-check me), then Apple could introduce or maintain any restrictions they please on handling this final signing step, even if at the end of the day the resulting software is being handed back to developers to self-distribute, they can just refuse to sign the package at all, preventing installation on most consumer iOS devices, and to refuse to re-issue certificates to specific Apple developer accounts they deem in violation of their expected behavior. I haven’t read the implementation of the DMA in detail, nor am I a lawyer, so I’m not sure if there are provisions in place that would block either of these actions from Apple, but I do expect that there will be a long game of cat and mouse here as Apple and the EU continue to try and one-up the other’s actions.
Your description matches my understanding of the process (as someone who left iOS development a few years ago).
I don’t think that the DMA is technical enough to differentiate in this precise manner. Keep in mind that it was written by lawmakers and politicians who mostly don’t know how to even use a smartphone. They’d think that a certificate is a piece of paper with fancy signatures on it.
But the article of the DMA says that the gatekeeper shall not prevent the business user to serve their product using other conditions than those of the gatekeeper’s platform. I think that would include Apple’s publishing guidelines.
I think that’s the rub, in my theoretical scenario, Apple is not blocking the distribution or sale of iOS applications through third-party means, they’d enforce their existing restrictions on and power over building iOS applications in the first place. Developers would absolutely still be able to distribute unsigned applications - end user iOS devices would just be unable to install them.
It sounds ridiculous to me, and as I wrote earlier, it would be a clear violation of the spirit of the DMA, but I don’t see any reason why this scenario would not be technically possible for Apple to pull off.
They already make it hard to make an app without xcode
I could be wrong on this, and don’t know all the details in the case, but EU-law is often interpreted teleologically, meaning in a way that is the most in accordance with the objectives and goals of the legislation. So in this case, if Apple is in violation of the spirit of the law, the EU Courts would likely rule against Apple. (source: 1st year law student)
On the positive side, those fines could fix the finances of a few smaller EU countries in a single sweep.
Velociraptors testing the fence. It may be illegal but they may get away with it if they can argue "no actually’
