This is fantastic! Fuck cops. If the cars can do the crime, then there’s no need for speeding tickets.
Wow I’m so happy I won’t have to be part of the world you live in - where it’s OK for idiots to speed and where cops (because they’re law enforcers) are “bad guys.” Jesus what a messed up set of values you people have. No wonder our country is going down the toilet.
It’s supposed to say can’t… If the cars can’t let you speed, then there should not be any speeding tickets anymore. Right?
Ok that makes sense, hopefully if cars can’t speed there wouldn’t be any need for speeding tickets. But there will always be a need for police, people are still going to drive under the influence, act like idiots and cause accidents as a result.
Just fucking electronically limit the max speed to the maximum allowed in the country. That would solve most of the issues and work 100% of the time. Also, I don’t care that in your fantasy scenario you have to race to a hospital at 100mph because someone cut of his head with chainsaw and there’s no ambulance service.
nah it doesn’t solve the issue of crazy speeding in school areas and city center.
You can go as fast as you want on a airstrip, I won’t mind, but respect the life of other people (“you” is general ofc)
If you want to race on a airstrip or a racetrack buy a race car and take it there on a flatbed. Driving racecars on normal streets doesn’t make sense.
You will still have issues with people going 30mph in 20pmh zone but it’s a good compromise: you’re reducing the most deadly high speed crashes but the solution is extremely simple (it doesn’t require GPS or image analysis) which means it will not have false positives, it will not affect the price of new cars and it will be better for privacy. It can also be retroactively applied to many existing cars so you could introduce it sooner.
How about also 50 km/h hard limit in city?
I heard that some countries have zero leeway for speed limit trespassing, like if it says 100 and you go 101 that’s a fine time. I don’t understand why that’s not the case in other places, why not increase the limit by that 10 mph/kmph you allow now and stop allowing speeding at all
The issue with this is because it doesn’t work for the actual purpose of speed limits in the US. If the goal was to set the limit at the maximum speed that is safe for that road and then not exceed it then zero tolerance would work. In the real world though speed limits aren’t about safety at all, they are purely revenue generation for police departments. They are 100% set with the intent of having people break them so that the local government can make money. People obeying a speed limit 100% of the time would literally break every single local government in the US, the current system literally can’t exist if people don’t speed.
In California, local government does not get any revenue from speeding tickets. It is one reason there is so little enforcement of traffic laws.
People will always push the limits. That leeway is there for specific situations where you’d need to speed up to avoid something or even for those who are slightly speeding without realising
The second part seems like it could be fixed by people not trying to drive as fast as they can, imo
The first one, well, now in those specific situations they just need to speed up even more because everyone is already driving limit + whatever is allowed ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I don’t understand why that’s not the case in other places
the auto industry lobby.
Because car speedometers are not calibrated by law, and can be off a few percent. Changes in temperature can change tire radius as well.
After all that you then get into court proceeding of proving speed gun calibration has to be perfect.
And again, you don’t need to go exactly at the [increased] limit, you can go below it and allow for speedometer being not exactly correct
The funny thing is they could eliminate speeding pretty easily without having to make a single change to cars.
Put up a license plate reader at point a which logs the time the plate was read. Put up another one a couple of miles down the highway at point b when there are no possible ways to either get on or off.
Then the system can use the timestamps to determine The minimum speed the car must have been going to be able to make it from point a to point b. License plate data of cars that were exceeding the speed limit would be sent for review by human officers who can act accordingly.
Speeding cameras are already a thing some places, but there’s been a lot of hooplah over whether the city can actually enforce fines for people caught that way.
They used to do this on some turnpike’s. You’d get a paper punch ticket on entrance with the current time, every exit would calculate the amount of time you spent on the road and determine your average speed. If you were certain number of miles over they would fine you right at the exit.
But it turns out that people end up controlling whether laws happen or not. And your average person doesn’t want the eye of sauron casting judgment on you unless it is truly dangerous. Speed zones around schools are for the children and enforcing speed limits and work zones really does save lives. Local people don’t have a problem with speed checks on a turnpike because almost everyone on the turnpike is from out of state.
Fun fact, better versions of this exist. They do not really work, are prone to abuse by the city overseeing them, and have been known to cause more accidents than they prevent.
There’s always going to be some room for random variation causing a few locations to have worse outcomes after speed cameras are installed, but the overall statistics show a reduction in both accidents and severity.
Hmm. I’m always crusading for people to slow down and stop being in such a frantic hurry all the damn time. In Utah, people go 85 in school zones (in fact 125 in some cases) and kids are being killed every day because of it.
Is 10 mph over the speed limit too much speed? I don’t know, but I know that too many people drive as IF they were having a life-threatening medical emergency rather than following safe speed limits. If the weather is good and the road is clear, it’s fine to go a few miles an hour over the speed limit.
But, speed limits aren’t there just to make your life inconvenient. There’s a reason they deem some zones safer for going faster than others, usually because of residential areas having lots of kids around, etc. Speed limits aren’t just arbitrary.
In some places where drivers are not usually exceeding the speed limit I can see where this could be a nuisance. But in Utah, where almost nobody drives at a sane speed, and people go WAY over what could be called acceptable levels of speed, nothing else has worked to slow drivers down. So, this seems like it could be a real step in the right direction.
If people WON’T do the right thing, should we FORCE them to, especially if it saves lives? That’s the question.
If people WON’T do the right thing, should we FORCE them to, especially if it saves lives? That’s the question.
Isn’t that just what a law is
Yep I think so. And I’m pretty law-abiding, which makes me an enemy in the eyes of other people for some reason. Personally I think it’s imperative to act responsibly as a driver and obey the speed limits and take weather and road conditions into account.
I know that all seems kind of “no duh” but you wouldn’t believe how many people in Utah speed through lights and intersections and construction and school zones as if their asses were on fire. Really, nothing so far has helped stop the excessive speeding.
It’s usually “if people won’t do the right thing, should we punish them for it?” Rather than forcing them to obey.
I don’t think it’s punishment to make people follow sensible speed limits, at least it SHOULDN’T feel like a punishment. Like I said, those limits aren’t there just to make life inconvenient. Frankly I don’t see why people behave like driving is a race to a finish line.
I’d rather think that we should educate people better in the first place, instead of waiting and then punishing them. But in Utah, people do not listen and do not have the responsibility to drive with care and caution. What do you do when people just refuse to do what’s right?
I think you’ve misunderstood my point. The punishment is things like traffic tickets, fines, license suspensions, and so on. Laws don’t magically force you to drive at the speed limit, they institute punishments that are applied to you when you exceed it.
The reason “punishments” like traffic tickets exist at all is exactly what you said - laws by themselves don’t seem to work to get people to drive at the speed limit (or close to it even). How else can you regulate and enforce them? If not by issuing tickets or fining people who SHOULD know better (and yet continue to act like imbeciles behind the wheel).
The speed limit laws are there for a reason. People ignore them because people are assholes. So - how do you enforce the law when people WILLFULLY refuse to see the reason to follow them?
To the contrary, in my experience most people actually do stick to the speed limit.
It’s obvious you don’t live here in Utah. Nobody who has lived or traveled here would ever say people obey anything close to the speed limit here. Just last night, another batch of stories on the local news about drivers going too fast, that killed several school kids and one that wiped out a whole family who were stopped on the side of the road.
Utah is all about idiots willfully killing people. That really should be our state motto.
Have you ever rented one of those electronic scooters? I was visiting LA and riding one to Venice Beach. I knew you weren’t allowed to ride them in Venice Beach proper so I stopped about a block away to park it. The app said that I was inside the forbidden zone, so it wouldn’t let me lock the scooter. I thought fine, I’ll ride a block or two away. But it said I was in the forbidden zone, so I couldn’t drive it. I tried rolling it but the wheels were locked up. I started dragging it and an alarm went off the whole way.
Later I was riding a scooter back to the hotel on a main road, and two times the system thought I had entered a no go area (despite just following the road) and the scooter lost power, although thankfully it didn’t stop entirely.
Now imagine you’re on an expressway and this system decides you’re actually on an access road running parallel to the expressway, where the speed is 20mph instead of 65. That’s not just annoying, it’s a threat to your safety and those around you. I already have GPS making that mistake a few times here and there.
Or imagine a solar flare or attack disables the GPS system, would that mean that all cars stop moving?
That’s what I was thinking as well. If Google can’t get this straight I sure as heck don’t trust whatever system the government will underfunded to make this happen.
So this reminds of this book I read called The Circle, in which everyone’s fascination with technology and tracking and data collecting slippery-sloped at breakneck speed into 1984, except any stranger with an internet connection became your Big Brother.
We have many other environmental ways to encourage people to drive slower, like narrower lanes, or those long thin rumble-strip-style speed bumps, or landscaping with greenery.
BTW, why is it so hard to get information off google on traffic calming studies for freeways? Everything is about urban or suburban areas, smh. When I use “freeways” in quotes, suddenly I get a whole bunch of irrelevant results about people trying to get over their fear of driving on the freeway. Wtf google.
The point of freeways is to go as fast as possible. There’s no houses or kids playing on them. Why would we try any kind of traffic calming (aka slowing) on them? That’s probably why you can’t find any
Plenty of reasons e.g. environmental, injuries/accidents. Maybe I missed a /s though…
I’m assuming the answer is yes but I’m gonna ask anyway just in case. Have you tried using highway or motorway instead of freeway?
Come on guys it is old technology, it will be soon the case in EU :
From july 2024 all new cars will have an intelligent GPS which prevents driver that the speed limit is exceeded (the gas pedal will be stronger). of course you can disable it, but you have to do it every time you start.
Can’t wait to see drivers panic because they can’t speed up in 30km/h areas (like around schools)
Edit for clarity: can’t, not can. please respect people’s lives in sensible areas (cities), be conscious that you can easily kill someone with your 1,5T armour. And speed up as much as you want on empty highways if you enjoy it
People (generally young men overrepresented on platforms like this) get really defensive about not being able to speed. They’re the exact problem these laws are aimed at addressing, so of course they get all upset at methods to force their compliance with the laws they’re regularly breaking. I’ve been there. I sped excessively too, then I got a really massive ticket and realized maybe that 2 minutes I was saving in my commute wasn’t actually that important.
What exactly happens when you drive…
A - out of state? B - from one posted speed limit to another? C - If you disable or remove the device from the vehicle?
Technologically speaking, easy.
A - system turns off
B - new speed becomes the current limit
C - reported/ticket/vehicle is disabled.
So in my town there’s a speed trap that goes from 45 to 30, downhill. I slow down gradually especially when there’s snow.
Will this system communicate such things to the car? Or will the car automatically stomp on the breaks and potentially cause a spin out or collision?
My assumption would it be would work by limiting acceleration rather than enforced braking which could be dangerous. But we’ll have to see what system they come up with.
I think this has almost no chance of becoming law anyway.
Limiting acceleration could also be a safety issue in certain scenarios
Not limiting it is already a safety issue. It’s almost unthinkable that these situations would be more frequent or dangerous than speeding already is. But I’m curious what scenarios you are referring to. I can’t think of anything that is likely to happen with any regularity.
“But what if there’s a nuclear attack followed by a tsunami!?!” vs. “speeding drivers regularly kill people”. These aren’t legit worries people have, they’re excuses because they regularly speed and get upset that they might be compelled not to.
I completely agree. The silent downvotes usually speak to a lack of any coherent rebuttal.
I’m not talking about autopilot. It’s your job, as it is today, to reduce your speed BEFORE the limit change.
This is a good idea if they only put it in public service government issue cars.
Great. Now my house can burn down before the firefighters can get there. And when that causes me to have a stroke from the stress, my ambulance will take longer getting to the hospital, allowing more opportunity for a catastrophic outcome.
You’re thinking about this wrong. Cops can’t pull you over for speeding if they’re stuck going 45 mph.
Gotta love the mindset that says “breaking the legal speed limit by 10mph is not enough !”
Limit it to repeat offenders, like the car breathalyzers for drunk drivers.
People speeding in your neighborhood is a rich people problem. Guess who’s putting themselves first in their own legislation?
Old cars for the win!
Yet another reason that old cars are looking better and better. We’ll be Cuba at some point.
I love old cars and trucks.
Since a lot of discussion is happening around how they’re going to implement this, and the article doesn’t go into the details, here’s more information: https://sd11.senate.ca.gov/news/20240124-senator-wiener-introduces-groundbreaking-bills-slash-california-road-deaths-epidemic
In line with NTSB recommendations, SB 961 requires every passenger vehicle, truck, and bus manufactured or sold in the state to be equipped with speed governors that limits the vehicle’s speed based on the speed limit for the roadway segment. The maximum speed threshold over the speed limit for that segment that the speed governor may permit the vehicle to travel at is 10 miles per hour over the speed limit. SB 961 also permits the vehicle operator to temporarily override the speed governor function. SB 961’s speed governor requirement does not apply to emergency vehicles.
And if anyone really wants to dive into it, the actual text for the bill is here: https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=202320240SB961
