Sounds like a shitty boss. Also, I think OHSA is gonna have a field day with this.
Once the courts are done with federal agencies Deals won’t have to worry about OSHA.
Lots of interesting articles and research talking about the problem of many CEOs exhibiting psychopathic traits but it being accepted. For example.
https://fortune.com/2021/06/06/corporate-psychopaths-business-leadership-csr/
“Our culture also glorifies and rewards successful leaders who may lie somewhere on the spectrum of psychopathy or who, if not actually psychopathic, nevertheless display traits that psychopathic individuals frequently have. The problem, of course, is that while psychopaths may have a lot of charisma and creativity, they may also lack, as already mentioned, socially important qualities such as empathy and morality.”
Yup. Sadly, having broken moral compass and lacking empathy can be obscenely profitable in the right circles. I honestly think that’s all that is propping these guys up anymore.
Also, we used to attribute “boldness” to psycopaths/sociopaths but it turns out that’s bunk and they’re really “just mean”. So the apologists out there have, yet again, one less thing to work with. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/fulfillment-any-age/202201/no-there-are-no-benefits-psychopathy
And as we saw with the “My 0th Blender Model (because we all know your first model is a somewhat decent donut),” these people have no creativity.
Yeah this is why there is so much suffering under capitalism.
The key thing is that it’s not our culture, it’s the material interests of the rich that elevate psychopaths to power. The culture follows.
This country was founded on rich assholes who didnt like the monarchy. It’s always been about greed. You think the starving plebs gave a fuck about tea in a harbor?
You say that as if capitalism doesn’t exist outside of the USA.
Yeah, it does exist elsewhere; I think the point they’re making is that it is apparent the United States was founded specifically for the interests of landowning (and slave owning) rich people. While not unique globally, the USA was probably the first country intentionally founded to protect the capitalist instead of the nobility or a religious group.
rich assholes who didnt like the monarchy.
Rich assholes who felt the monarchy was taking their money. All talk of justification aside, it’s entirely possible they took this stance simply because they were 3000 miles away, with a dangerous ocean crossing required to close that gap, and felt that made ignoring the tax bill worth the risk.
I do! I want some of that forbidden jungle juice in the boastan haabar!
Preach
And the conditions are still better than what the collective agreements would require?
Yes
2 years later, the car is released. It is made from lead to protect from radiation, has a range of 7 miles, and costs $112k for the base model.
How about… No…
Breaking News: Elon Musk gets an orange spray tan, starts wearing a blond wig and claims this is fake news. Says he is aspirationally Jewish.
But they don’t need a union
Well now I’m definitely never buying a Tesla.
Ya take 16 tons, whaddya get?
Another day older and deeper in debt
Because fuck family time … This dude wants slaves. He can get fucked
Where do you think his seed money came from?
Why do you think he wants to get to mars quickly
Old habits die hard
It’s only a matter of time before one of the mega-corps figures out how to lease prisoners as cheap and expendable workers.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/12/12/alabama-prison-labor-lawsuit/
It’s already been going on for decades.
That has been happening for a long time already.
“We really need the engineers to be living on the line. This is not sort of an off-the-shelf ‘it just works’ type of thing,” Musk said. “That will be a challenging production ramp […] we’ll be sleeping on the line, practically. Not practically, we will be,” he added.
Man, can this guy rally the troops or what? With sentiment like this, who needs a pep rally or company retreat? /s
Worst. Boss. Ever.
I would for a price. I’ve done a few hard years. The issue is that he’s likely not making it voluntary and not compensating people for the sacrifice.
I can actually see this working for some people who have been heavily indoctrinated their entire adult professional careers. For instance, some people who join the military. When you’re used to sleeping when you can and missing sleep for watch or what have you, you’re already used to being mistreated. As a result it’s easier to lure you with supposed perks that make up for the mistreatment. .
I would hope it doesn’t work for the majority, but I’m not gonna lie, the number of people working in the service industry suggests that my hope is misplaced.
sounds fair and reasonable, definitely not dangerous.
That’s a weird way of bragging about understaffing leading to overwork, but I guess it explains why they can’t kick those quality issues.
Statements like that are just going to make it easier for the UAW to unionise those plants. Union factory workers don’t sleep on the floor.
That does make a compelling campaign slogan. While I assume Musk’s statement should not be taken literally, IIRC he made similar statements about Twitter. Shortly after, there were countless reports of how awful it suddenly became to work at Twitter.
You’re actually right, this would look great on a poster. I hadn’t even considered that, it was just a statement of fact.
i saw a tesla truck today for the first time and it looked stupid. its seriously like something from a 90s 3d tank game
I think that’s the point. It hits a similar group as those old mini trucks (eg S10) from the 90s that get tricked out.
My pinewood derby car as a Cub scout looks very similar
It looks like it came straight of a cheesy 80s B movie called Megaforce.
OMG I want one of those!
I mean, if you’re required to stay there that’d be some mad overtime pay where I’m at: first 8hr at 1xpay, next 4hr at 1.5xpay, then everything after that is 2xpay.
I can’t say I wouldn’t consider it.
I doubt the regions this may be required in will have such labor friendly laws though…
According to another comment the workers are 90 percent independent contractors being abused. So no extra pay.
Somehow I’m not surprised… Fuck Tesla.
Sleeping there isn’t necessarily working though. It’s having the right amount of engineers on site so they can immediately fix things vs waiting until the next day.
So it’s like being on call, except you have to be there.
I feel like that deserves way more than an on call wage, but also not as much as a over time working wage until they work?
As long as I’m paid appropriately though I’d do it for at least a short period.
If your company requires you to be on site for any reason, it’s work. I don’t care if the employee needs to be there just in case and put his thumbs in his bum for 12 hours.
That’s not true. But you get all the upvotes and I get all the downvotes.
Emphasis below is mine.
What is on-call pay?
According to the U.S Department of Labor, an employee qualifies for on-call pay if they are required to be in the work premises awaiting substantive work, if and when the work becomes available. Alternatively, an employee is also said to be on-call pay if they are at home waiting for work to come up so that they are engaged. On-call pay also applies to cases where an employee is required not to stray away from their places of work as they wait to be engaged.
Those engineers will be considered on-call unless they are working. It’s up to Tesla to compensate them as per the law, or better, to encourage their participation.
