Former President Donald Trump must pay writer E. Jean Carroll over $83 million in damages for repeatedly defaming her, a jury found Friday.
The nine-person jury began deliberations in federal court in New York at 1:40 p.m. ET and reached a verdict in just under three hours.
(In Nelson’s voice) “HA-HA!”
The sheer speed at which the jury came to this determination is a really good sign that everyone on the jury was like “fuck this dude in particular”. Not only that, what I think was hilarious was that Trump’s testimony about his valuation in his NY civil trail was submitted and accepted as evidence for the determination on this fine. Like literally some Loony Toons Wile E. Coyote exploding in your face kind of thing.
This was such a massive L for Trump’s legal team that I believe the correct lawyer term is HA HA HA HAHAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA!!
I swear, I’m just waiting for what creative backhoing their graves Trump’s team will be doing in the appeals.
What’s that saying? “Speech is free. Lies are expensive.”
I believe the correct lawyer term is HA HA HA HAHAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA!!
Lawyer here. Can confirm.
It’s great when lawyers use the old Latin phrase but you can still figure out what it means through context.
‘Speech is free, but lies you have to pay for.’ - Louis Tompros, lawyer with WilmerHale and lecturer at Harvard Law School.
“Speech is free. Lies are expensive.”
I’m gonna go ahead and borrow this, and then save it for later.
I, on the other hand, will outright steat it. Thanks, tho.
I open my mouth and out pops something spiteful
Words are so cheap, but they can turn out expensive
Words like conviction can turn into a sentence
I mean, throwing a tantrum and storming out of court is going to be seen as a sign of disrespect by any jury. I bet if there even was a Trump supporter in the jury they’d be turned off by his behaviour.
Honestly though, has trump ever paid anyone anything, like ever??
Trump’s attorney Alina Habba contended that Carroll “had failed to show she is entitled to any damages at all” because she “actively sought the comments and the attention” she received.
Wow. They actually used the “she was asking for it” argument against a victim of sexual assault.
Also, he’s still not going to shut up about it and will land back in court under additional defamation charges.
Not exactly. It’s far more insidious (and stupid). Her tact was to show that Carroll already received her financial reward by all the books and news appearances (i.e. the “comments and attention”). Basically, “Sure, she was raped, but look how well she profited from it!”
Too bad that kind of argument is only really relevant to the first trial. This one was punitive damages for failing to shut up after losing the first one, the purpose of which is to punish Trump so he thinks twice about doing it again, not award reparations to Ms. Carroll.
Alina Habba is truly the lawyer Trump deserves.
Can’t wait for someone to ask him about the case at a rally or something. He won’t be able to help himself.
I agree, and my comment was intended as a reference not to the original rape but to the defense saying that she did not deserve any additional compensation due to Trump’s ongoing defamation because she wanted to profit off of it.
If I remember, one of his initial defenses against the allegations of rape was that the woman accusing him was too unattractive to rape, while other defenses were “they just let you do it.” I was thinking about the ironic application of the “asking for it” argument being applied to the additional judgement of defamation.
He’s going to triple down on this though, because he never thinks twice about anything. I don’t know if he is actually playing the game of “never admit to being wrong even when you are” or if he’s simply delusional enough to have reconstructed reality in his own brain, but I’d lay a wager that he’s not going to be able to shut up about this, even now. I don’t think it will even take a reporter triggering him by asking about it. I think it’s just going to pop out in one of his word salad campaign rambles.
I think it’s just going to pop out in one of his word salad campaign rambles.
And I can’t wait for that to happen, because I’m sure a third jury will be so pleased (/s) he did it a third time.
Maybe next time he could at least be smart enough to do it in a red state.
He knows very well how profitable being a victim can be and must think that that’s why anyone is a victim. They don’t win cases (because Trump hasn’t ever really had a case), they settle out of court or gain from the sympathy of others.
Wow, 3x the money in punitive damage. Imagine how bad it’d be if this country did anything but fine rich people for being evil…
It’s a civil case, unfortunately, so jail time was never an option. At the time the incident occurred, there was a five year statute of limitations, so Trump has never been charged criminally in the matter.
There’s something truly gross about a civil case being the only recourse for a heinous crime.
Waiting for the SCOTUS to (again) reduce punitive damage limits in order to protect their special boy.
Historically, they HATE punitive civil damages and look for cases to cut them back. That’s where the current ~4x limit currently exists, which even in the State Farm decision was clearly flagged as toeing the line.
Just look at how little actual damage Exxon ever paid for the Valdez spill. Or McDonalds for the hot coffee. These punitive damages always have a habit of just evaporating after the headlines. Leaving the victim little better off than before.
I doubt that will happen. This is round two of defaming her; it’s already been established that he raped and defamed her, and it is glaringly obvious that he did it again (even before this verdict). His team will have to first appeal to the New York Court of Appeals, and it’s very unlikely that they’ll even hear it.
SCOTUS isn’t likely to do him a favor but virtue of the highest court in NY not hearing it and this being a very obvious case of repeat offense. They suck right now, and they’ve made some really awful arguments and rulings, but they haven’t exactly been a rubber stamp for Trump or Conservatives, either.
Thanks for the sanity check. I’m not lover of the current Court, but no, they’re not partisan (ruling for the GOP or Trump).
Been collecting cases to show this. Only been going a week so far:
They’re going for the big game, next up…
Chevron Doctrine.
I overshot the damages award in a previous comment I made. I thought it was going to be closer to $150 million, but $83 million is still substantial. Plus there is a strong likelihood E. Jean Carroll and Robbie Kaplan could sue Donald Trump for defamation again for all the things he posted during this trial.
Well he a billionaire so $83 million is a drop in the bucket. He’s probably got that much as change in the couch /s
“Well he a billionaire” [citation needed].
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And themselves! If they’re working on contingency they’ve got 8 figures coming their way too.
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In late stage capitalism, having a billion and owing three billion means you in effect still have a billion.
It’s not like with normal people who have to subtract debt from assets and actually pay what we owe.
So yeah, he’s a billionaire in all ways that affect him and will be until he dies, which can’t happen soon enough.
I present to you the only proof that he’s a billionaire: He said so. That’s valid, right? Right? Guys? Anybody?
In the instance of the court setting damages, I’m happy to accept the highest valuation Trump has to offer
83,000 would be a drop in the bucket. 83 million is more like a water bottle in a bucket.
I’d just love to see this snowball into an avalanche.
It’s already happening. He’s probably defaming her on Truth Social right now while OD’ing on McDonald’s.
He couldn’t shut up if his life depended on being quiet. I hope this drains his pockets until there’s nothing left.
I hope it’s draining Republican Party coffers, which it indirectly seems to be
I hope this goes on forever: he keeps defaming, she keeps sueing. Cause we all know this fat turd wont keep his mouth shut.
He’s keeping it shut so far this time. This fine is enough to hurt.
So, we getting new Trump NFT cards? I need to complete the set.
Haven’t seen you around in a while. Glad you’re back. Can always count on you for a quality comment 😂
I get banned because… reasons. Hope you’re doing well.
Ditto, and glad you’re back in action. See ya around!
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I’m in love with the concept that we’re brave rather than foolish.
capricious moderation. that’s why.
I don’t mind. It keeps me from being stagnant and reminds me to adapt to the reader.
This seems amazing. Just shy of starting a religion. I’m down if you’re down.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Former President Donald Trump must pay writer E. Jean Carroll over $83 million in damages for repeatedly defaming her, a jury found Friday.
Trump had already been found liable for defaming Carroll while he was president by mocking her allegation that he’d sexually abused her, so this jury was only tasked with determining how much she should be paid in damages.
Carroll’s lawyer Roberta Kaplan asked the jury for at least $24 million in compensatory damages for the harm she suffered and “lots and lots of money” in punitive damages to stop him from continuing to defame her.
Trump’s attorney Alina Habba contended that Carroll “had failed to show she is entitled to any damages at all” because she “actively sought the comments and the attention” she received.
A different jury last year found Trump liable for sexually abusing her in a New York City department store in the 1990s and for defaming her by mocking her claims after he left the White House.
U.S. District Judge Lewis Kaplan found Trump liable for defamation in the current case based on that jury’s findings.
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Start the clock… how long until he fucks up this ruling too?
Are we using American time with Scaramuccis or British time with Lettuces?
The Liz Truss lettuce is tricky because while the lettuce only lasted 6 days, they didn’t start counting until 14/10/22 when she had been sworn in on 6/9/22.
Technically a Mooch (11 or 10 days) is longer than a lettuce, but the lettuce measurement was artificially shortened. ;)
Both are still longer than a Brittany Spears marriage at 55 hours.
Planck time
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That’s 41.5 presidential pardons
Until the jury unrules it?
How would that work?
Maybe it is like unbirthday in Alice in Wonderland?
Any news on what the legal costs have been?
Badda Bing, Badda Boom.
[Nelson voice] Haw Haw!
