Former President Donald Trump must pay writer E. Jean Carroll over $83 million in damages for repeatedly defaming her, a jury found Friday.
The nine-person jury began deliberations in federal court in New York at 1:40 p.m. ET and reached a verdict in just under three hours.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
God sent Trump… to rape women and harass them relentlessly while encouraging others to threaten their lives. God be praised. Praise be to the rapist messiah.
[Nelson voice] Haw Haw!
People in this thread saying he’s not going to pay. How can he just not pay if it’s a court order? Genuinely curious how that works. (Assuming the appeal is denied or whatever the final number he owes is).
You can also be judgement proof informally.
You and I are likely judgement proof in this sort of situation - we can’t actually afford it. We’re not rapist pieces of shit as well.
Someone can probably give a better answer, but it starts by him not paying.
He will appeal the result and that could easily take another year or so, during which time he doesn’t pay.
Then he will just not pay, that will take some time since you can’t complain to the courts that he didn’t pay after 1 day, it probably takes at least 90 days, but realistically probably closer to 120 or 150 days so that he is REALLY overdue.
Then he is given a grace period to respond, that’s another 30 to 60 days. He’ll just say that he can’t. That goes back and forth for a while, at least 6 months total.
Eventually the courts might put some sort of lien on Trump’s income except he doesn’t make money the traditional way, so it won’t pay out. That takes another 6 months or so.
Then maybe they start going after assets. Assets aren’t just free, so that takes even more time.
Also during all of this Trump moves assets around. He isn’t allowed to, but he’s already not allowed to and he has.
At some point in this process an agreement for a settlement is brought up. Trump will offer pennies on the dollar, which no one will accept. Trump will use this to bide even more time.
It’s neverending legal maneuvering. Just bullshit on bullshit on bullshit. Eventually someone gives up or dies. It takes tens of tens of years. At any point Trump can just start to pay a little bit of it, then stop after a few months and the process starts again.
BTW if you don’t pay your bills the full fury comes down on you. No baby gloves.
He will appeal the result and that could easily take another year or so, during which time he doesn’t pay.
To appeal he will have to put the amount ik escrow. Which negates a few of the statements you’ve made. Though completely agree that Trump usually goes for delay, delay, delay.
On the assets, he probably also has them set up such that he doesn’t “own” them.
In order to file an appeal, he has to pay immediately. The money doesn’t go to Carroll, it goes into an escrow account until she wins the appeal. But either way, Trump is out $83 million. No pay = no appeal.
If he doesn’t appeal and doesn’t pay, then in 30 days Carroll’s lawyers will have access to his bank accounts and properties. At that point it won’t matter if he writes a check, they can simply take what they are entitled to directly from his bank. If there isn’t enough in his account, they can start an auction for his properties. The only thing Trump could do would be to declare bankruptcy, and this would only slow down the process not stop it.
Trump can get away with not paying his contractors, but he can’t get away with not paying a court judgment. Of note, back when he owed Carroll $5 million, he paid on time.
Depends.
He could get a bond to secure the appeal of he can find a bank who will lend to him. Which might be easier, with what looks like the impending sale of his New York properties
Yes, he could get a bond. But these bonds are generally 100% collateralized, because the bank is unlikely to get their money back. So that just means his property will be under lien during the appeal and auctioned off if he loses.
Generally. Trump has an uncanny ability to secure bank loans though. And, if New York requires him to sell his properties in the fraud case it wouldn’t surprise me if he was able to leverage the impending sale to secure the bond and then pull, well, a trump.
Remember, the rules you and I play by are not in effect here.
Trump has an uncanny ability to secure bank loans though
Not after 2020 anymore because:
President Donald Trump’s lenders have forgiven around $287 million in debt that he didn’t pay back, and most of it was related to Chicago’s Trump Tower, according to a New York Times report
I am sure Deutsche Bank is not going to give him another Cent and any other bank will go and count stairs, because he is lying about everything, even about how many floors his buildings have. The times it was easy for him are over.
On top of the 83 million he has a huge amount to pay to his lawyers and since he is not accepting the outcome of the trial and he has another 14 or so going on… and taking money out of his election funds is now also harder to do and getting elected is more expensive because Koch is helping his opponent and Koch has a truly endless warchest.
Every financial transaction he does is under a looking glas now, no more face value and trust, he is seen as the financial sector should have seen him in the past: A naked “king” that pretends to wear nice clothes.
Well, he was able to secure loans back before it was revealed that he misrepresented the value of his assets. Now, perhaps it won’t be so easy.
We can hope.
So, we getting new Trump NFT cards? I need to complete the set.
Haven’t seen you around in a while. Glad you’re back. Can always count on you for a quality comment 😂
I get banned because… reasons. Hope you’re doing well.
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I’m in love with the concept that we’re brave rather than foolish.
Ditto, and glad you’re back in action. See ya around!
capricious moderation. that’s why.
I don’t mind. It keeps me from being stagnant and reminds me to adapt to the reader.
This seems amazing. Just shy of starting a religion. I’m down if you’re down.
Any news on what the legal costs have been?
I hope this goes on forever: he keeps defaming, she keeps sueing. Cause we all know this fat turd wont keep his mouth shut.
He’s keeping it shut so far this time. This fine is enough to hurt.
Honestly though, has trump ever paid anyone anything, like ever??
It’s complete insanity that neither party is using this case against Trump during the primaries. Especially Haley, it’s a gift wrapped opportunity for her to score points on Trump and she completely ignores it. Her campaign was a lost cause from the start but none of the Republican candidates have acted like they are even trying.
Erm, Haley is using this for her campaign:
“Donald Trump wants to be the presumptive Republican nominee and we’re talking about $83 million in damages. We’re not talking about fixing the border. We’re not talking about tackling inflation,” Haley said in a post on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter. “America can do better than Donald Trump and Joe Biden.”
Source: https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4432630-haley-trump-defamation-verdict-america-can-do-better/
She’s not wrong that we can do better.
She’s just wrong in assuming she is better.
I mean, I certainly don’t intended to vote for her over Biden, even considering my distaste for Biden, but I would say she is better than Trump from what I’ve seen. She seems more like “regular” republican evil primarily dangerous due to harmful policies, which is still plenty bad to be fair, but I don’t expect we’d be as likely to have her try a coup should she lose an election.
I’d take her over Trump for sure.
But Biden over her, and like, fucking any other Democrat over Biden.
But this is where we’re at, so I guess I’ll fall in line.
Let me get this straight: you think the
grab em by the pussy
crowd is gonna give a flying shit?!?
Not enough lib owning to interest those chucklefucks
Maybe not the moonshine-addled MAGA crowd, but there are plenty of faux Republicans (centrists) who may.
You think any news station Haley watches is even talking about this?
Conservatives live in a bubble these days 100%.
Any time they step outside of it the liberal “slant” of reality slaps them in the face.
You know things like being forced to acknowledge and respect LGBTQ+ people…
And ruin her future chances at getting elected in the
republicanTrumpican party?They don’t know about it. Legit know someone that doesn’t know all the legal issues trump is currently going through. Lots of “if he committed a crime why hasn’t he been charged?” It was a bit surreal. All the witch hunt talk has saturated the conversation so they don’t even know official proceedings are fully underway. They think because he hasn’t actually paid the damages to E Jean Carrol it means he wasn’t found “guilty” (because they don’t understand the nuance between civil and criminal).
I think this is my favorite dig on it
“If your opponent is of choleric temper, seek to irritate him…”
-Sun Tzu
No surprise this being the result, it will be very hard to find anyone in NYC that would go easy on the person known for decades as the city’s biggest douchebag.
Lol get fucked, loser
Stop being so mean!
What is that pic from? It’s the only time I’ve ever seen him look human.
Probably AI generated
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Former President Donald Trump must pay writer E. Jean Carroll over $83 million in damages for repeatedly defaming her, a jury found Friday.
Trump had already been found liable for defaming Carroll while he was president by mocking her allegation that he’d sexually abused her, so this jury was only tasked with determining how much she should be paid in damages.
Carroll’s lawyer Roberta Kaplan asked the jury for at least $24 million in compensatory damages for the harm she suffered and “lots and lots of money” in punitive damages to stop him from continuing to defame her.
Trump’s attorney Alina Habba contended that Carroll “had failed to show she is entitled to any damages at all” because she “actively sought the comments and the attention” she received.
A different jury last year found Trump liable for sexually abusing her in a New York City department store in the 1990s and for defaming her by mocking her claims after he left the White House.
U.S. District Judge Lewis Kaplan found Trump liable for defamation in the current case based on that jury’s findings.
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Trump’s attorney Alina Habba contended that Carroll “had failed to show she is entitled to any damages at all” because she “actively sought the comments and the attention” she received.
Wow. They actually used the “she was asking for it” argument against a victim of sexual assault.
Also, he’s still not going to shut up about it and will land back in court under additional defamation charges.
Not exactly. It’s far more insidious (and stupid). Her tact was to show that Carroll already received her financial reward by all the books and news appearances (i.e. the “comments and attention”). Basically, “Sure, she was raped, but look how well she profited from it!”
Too bad that kind of argument is only really relevant to the first trial. This one was punitive damages for failing to shut up after losing the first one, the purpose of which is to punish Trump so he thinks twice about doing it again, not award reparations to Ms. Carroll.
Alina Habba is truly the lawyer Trump deserves.
Can’t wait for someone to ask him about the case at a rally or something. He won’t be able to help himself.
I agree, and my comment was intended as a reference not to the original rape but to the defense saying that she did not deserve any additional compensation due to Trump’s ongoing defamation because she wanted to profit off of it.
If I remember, one of his initial defenses against the allegations of rape was that the woman accusing him was too unattractive to rape, while other defenses were “they just let you do it.” I was thinking about the ironic application of the “asking for it” argument being applied to the additional judgement of defamation.
He’s going to triple down on this though, because he never thinks twice about anything. I don’t know if he is actually playing the game of “never admit to being wrong even when you are” or if he’s simply delusional enough to have reconstructed reality in his own brain, but I’d lay a wager that he’s not going to be able to shut up about this, even now. I don’t think it will even take a reporter triggering him by asking about it. I think it’s just going to pop out in one of his word salad campaign rambles.
I think it’s just going to pop out in one of his word salad campaign rambles.
And I can’t wait for that to happen, because I’m sure a third jury will be so pleased (/s) he did it a third time.
Maybe next time he could at least be smart enough to do it in a red state.
He knows very well how profitable being a victim can be and must think that that’s why anyone is a victim. They don’t win cases (because Trump hasn’t ever really had a case), they settle out of court or gain from the sympathy of others.
Fucking loser always loses.
He’s demonstrably the actual biggest loser in history, and he just got more loser-y folks… If any of you are starting to have your memories fade, here’s a quick refresher to read this morning and then copy and send to your aunt karen in Missouri.
- 0 re-elections won
- 1 term president
- 2 times impeached
- 3 marriages
- 4 inch lifts in his shoes
- 5 kids, from 3 different mothers
- 6 bankruptcies
- 7 US Capitol police suing him for Jan 6 terrorist insurrection and murder of police
- 8 trillion + dollars added to the US debt in a single term
- 9 trump lawyers sanctioned by federal judge for lying in frivolous election fraud lawsuits and ordered to pay defendant’s legal fees
- 10 years that trump paid $0 in income taxes between 2000 and 2015. ($0 to cops, teachers, roads, prisons, disaster relief, etc)
- 11 trump associates charged with serious crimes over the past 5 years
- 12 million votes (the big lie) - trump claims he won the 2020 election by 12 million votes when in reality, he lost by about 7 million votes.
- 13 of August, 2021 - one of multiple days that trump was supposed to magically become president again according to Qanon and a crack addicted pillow salesman (the two most respected information sources in the gop)
- 14 year old girl in a youth choir that trump approached in 1992 to say, “Wow! Just think - in a couple years I’ll be dating you.”
- 15 originally confirmed cases of COVID in the US trump said would soon be, “down to close to zero.” followed by, “like a miracle, it will disappear.” - over 1,000,000 Americans have since died of COVID as it continues to kill years later.
- 16 years old - age of daughter ivanka when she hosted “miss teen” pageant and, according to long time trump associate Noel Casler, “trump called her over in the middle of a rehearsal and had her give him a lap dance while he leered at the crew.”
- 17 known trump and russia investigations from local, state and federal prosecutors
- 18 gop senators that ignored trump threats / warnings and supported Biden admin’s infrastructure bill.
- 19 as in COVID19 - trump was verified as the single largest source of disinformation on the virus, with a Cornell study claiming that 38% of the “misinformation conversation” originated with trump
- 20 the day in January, 2021, when Biden was sworn in despite trump inciting a violent insurrection to stop election verification at the US Capitol.
- 21 gun salute that trump ordered for himself when he left office after a humiliating defeat, even though he never served in the military, famously called military members “losers” and “suckers” and actively avoided the draft with a cowardly “bone spurs” excuse.
- 22 date in August, 2021, when Alabama hate rally crowd booed trump for finally saying people should get vaccinated, only after 700,000 Americans have died due mostly to his failure as president
- 23 as in wrestlemania 23 in 2007 where trump, a cartoon level failure with no other prospects, participated in a fake bet that a proxy wrestler would win a fake fight on his behalf or he would shave his wig and hair plugs off.
- 24 day in August, 2021, when trump actually filed a lawsuit in Florida court against YouTube, a private company, demanding that they reinstate his YouTube channel like a desperate, irrelevant embarrassment with no platforms left to abuse.
- 25 plus credible sexual assault allegations against trump, spanning decades and with accusers starting as young as 13 years old at time of assault.
Some slight dissonance as you switch from “always loses” to “was president for 4 years”
Many people think he didn’t even want to win the first time around. Like the picture of his face when he found out, etc.
So maybe he actually lost that election vs his expectations.
losing the popular vote still counts
Holy shit that’s an incredible list. Amazing summation. Thanks.
He’s like an elite trailer park king of awfulness.
🎵 And a partridge in a pear treeeee 🎵
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83 - million dollars Trump has to pay to E. Jean Carrol for defamation.
91 - indictments
At least fix the markdown ffs
She will never see a dime. He gets away with it again, and he will continue to until he is actually taken into custody.
This is different. All his properties in New York are under receivership. If and when they are forcibly sold to pay the judgement in the New York Civil fraud trial any remaining funds will go directly to E. Jean Carroll as she will be a lien holder on those assets.
It won’t matter he will just delay and appeal till he dies and then his kids will do the same thing and sue to keep it from ever happening
Appeals are not an infinite process, and as we have already seem multiple times just this month the New York State Court of Appeals has either denied his requests for appeal or swiftly ruled against him. Sometimes the rock hard cock of the law does catch up with you.
As Martin Luther King Jr. said, “The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice.”
Edit: I changed my initial statement because I forgot this case was in federal court not state court.
What did MLK say about the “rock hard cock of the law?”
I think it was something about having a dream and then needing to change the sheets.
IIRC he has to put up a cash bond equal to the value of the judgement in order to appeal it. In other words he has to come up with $83.3 million in cash in order to appeal. I’m not sure he has that even if he raids the campaign fund.
Well that’s at least good to know
If.
Judgment creditors are last in line, the government is first. He won’t have anything left over.
