China Installed More Solar Panels Last Year Than the U.S. Has in Total::China installed more new solar capacity last year than the total amount ever installed in any other country.

  • Kawawete
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    231 year ago

    And opened more coal plants too lol, don’t be quick in praising the CCP, there’s always something shady in the background…

    • WIZARD POPE💫
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      51 year ago

      It’s not really shady now is it? There is no way solar can provide enough power for the entire country of china.

    • @endhits@lemmy.world
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      61 year ago

      China is still developing and allowing European countries and the US to pollute unchecked but clutch your pearls when China and other countries do the same is ideological.

      This article is evidence that China is putting effort forward on renewables. Meanwhile, Germany is opening coal plants and the US can’t get a handle on anything at all.

      • @brain_in_a_box@lemmy.ml
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        21 year ago

        Anyone still repeating the Uighur genocide conspiracy theory in this day and age - long after the western media has backed away from it, independent bodies have found no evidence, Isreal demonstrating that you can’t ‘secretly’ genocide a population without evidence getting out, and all the original proponents of the conspiracy now one hundred percent on board for the genocide of Palestinians - is either knowingly lying or terminally propagandized.

        • @FlorianSimon@sh.itjust.works
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          61 year ago

          Go back to nazbear, revisionist tankie. There is proof available with a simple Google search.

          And I can fault China for their actions just like I can blame the US for sponsoring the massacre in Gaza, which I vehemently reject. So your whack theory falls flat.

          Most people except China know the truth about what happened in Xinjiang.

          • @brain_in_a_box@lemmy.ml
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            41 year ago

            Yeah, it was very telling that the Westerners making the genocide accusations responded to that by basically saying “You can’t trust them! Everyone knows Muslims are corrupt and dishonest!”

              • ☂️-
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                all i see is articles from corporate us/uk media making extraordinary claims without extraordinary proof. nothing being said in my native tongue about it that isnt direct reference to the aforementioned outlets.

                tell me, fascist, where is all that proof?

                • @frezik@midwest.social
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                  21 year ago

                  Tell you what. I’ll deny there is any genocide in Gaza on the exact same basis that you’re denying it for the Uyghurs. Does that work for you? If it really has to be “extraordinary”, then it has to be applied equally.

                  Or is this not something like, say, UFOs or homeopathy where we actually need extraordinary evidence?

          • @A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world
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            they are from .ML, a major tankie instance, with major love for Pooty/Russia and Pooh Bear/China and irrational hatred for anything Not Russia/China. Soooo… Yeah.

          • @brain_in_a_box@lemmy.ml
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            41 year ago

            Better half of a decade and not a single piece of physical or documentary evidence has been found, the death count remains at 0, Xinjiang remains completely open to visitation, no refugee wave has occurred despite a massive, non-militarized border, the UN and every Muslim (or just not Western aligned) country has rejected it, and it’s only primary proponents remain wingnut Western partisans who are currently enthusiastically supporting the actual genocide of Muslims in Palestine.

            There’s a reason that the only thing people still sprooking this conspiracy theory can do is desperately scream “CCP PROPAGANDA!” at anyone who disagrees with them. It’s just this generations “IRAQ HAS WMDS!”

            • @FlorianSimon@sh.itjust.works
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              51 year ago

              Go back to nazbear, revisionist tankie. There is proof available with a simple Google search.

              And I can fault China for their actions just like I can blame the US for sponsoring the massacre in Gaza, which I vehemently reject. So your whack theory falls flat.

              Most people except China know the truth about what happened in Xinjiang.

      • @Thirdborne@lemmy.world
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        11 year ago

        I still can’t wrap my head around the case for genocide in China. Political and religious oppression is evident, but aside from grainy photos of some prisoners, but I haven’t seen evidence of genocide. People are saying it though so… I guess it could be true?

  • @occhionaut@lemmy.world
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    51 year ago

    This was done with the express purpose of having the title of it. Its a vanity project that wont last 10 years.

      • @ryathal@sh.itjust.works
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        11 year ago

        China regularly does vanity projects to get positive headlines. Mass tree planting has been a popular one, the trees are generally all dead in a year or two, but they got the pro environment headline.

  • @Blackmist@feddit.uk
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    251 year ago

    Good. I assume it helps that most of the world’s solar panel manufacturing is based in China.

    The rest of the world should be ramping up production, not relying on China for cheap labour.

    • @fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works
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      31 year ago

      I keep seeing more and more about the solar production in Georgia, USA ramping up!

      It great to see the world really going into green industrialzation.

      • @RubberElectrons@lemmy.world
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        41 year ago

        Cool part is we’ve got a functional safety system like OSHA so everyone goes home with all their fingers and toes, and the EPA keeps the nearby creeks from getting contaminated.

        Can’t say the same for other countries, troubled and fucked up as our country is.

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            You know how when you’re the first to do something, you’re also the first to make mistakes? Look at the Hanford site, for example. First place to ever process uranium and plutonium.

            Imagine knowing the results of being careless, and being careless anyway, after the fact. 😂 What’s wrong with you??

            To be clear: I believe most people anywhere want to be safe, and do a good job. Their administrators and governmental reps are the pieces of dogshit, ccp included, that ignore safety and individuality. The US has serious problems too, but again, we have safety organizations with teeth here.

      • @Blackmist@feddit.uk
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        71 year ago

        That would be the point of making panels and wind turbines themselves.

        Ideally you’d want enough manufacturing capacity to power your whole country with renewables, in the time it takes for the first bits to start needing replacements.

        • @brain_in_a_box@lemmy.ml
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          51 year ago

          Anyone still repeating the Uighur genocide conspiracy theory in this day and age - long after the western media has backed away from it, independent bodies have found no evidence, Isreal demonstrating that you can’t ‘secretly’ genocide a population without evidence getting out, and all the original proponents of the conspiracy now one hundred percent on board for the genocide of Palestinians - is either knowingly lying or terminally propagandized.

    • Nix
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      61 year ago

      “The United States occupies a total area of about 3.8 million square miles while China has an area of approximately 3.7million square miles. However, China has a bigger land area than the United States. The Chinese land area is about 2.2% bigger than the United States (3.5 million square miles).“

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        About 20% of that US land is in Alaska, which is not a place to put solar panels. Not if you want them to produce for half the year at a stretch, anyway.

        • The Assman
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          China also consumes twice as much electricity as the US (half as much per capita)

  • @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world
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    China doesn’t have oil and they want to be energy independent. Because of this they heavily invest in renewables.

    It’s not like they are doing it to save the planet, but it does save the planet.

  • @simonced@lemmy.one
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    181 year ago

    But they still have their crazy mines that polute right? No number of solar pannel will change anything if you don’t stop what you are doing that polutes.
    Same for all countries btw…

    • @banneryear1868@lemmy.world
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      391 year ago

      China pollutes so much because the biggest consumer economy in the world deindustrialized and outsourced manufacturing to them.

      • @52fighters@sopuli.xyz
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        91 year ago

        China pollutes so much because George HW Bush and Bill Clinton pushed American jobs top China so CEOs could mask bank on huge profits on cheap labor, unsafe work places, and near zero environmental regulation that was impossible in the United States. We built China by disregarding worker rights and the environment and we are paying for it dearly.

        • @Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works
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          31 year ago

          Why are we even bothering blaming politicians? Companies moved production over to cut costs and Americans wanted cheap shit. We could have all just bought made in America in the 80s if we cared, that would have been the time to make a stand while the transition was still happening.

        • @RaoulDook@lemmy.world
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          21 year ago

          So did the US Presidents force China to not implement any environmental safeguards for their manufacturing? I don’t think so.

          Sure the corporations send the orders to China, and they pay for them, putting the money into China’s economy. But China as a sovereign nation is still responsible for the pollution that it creates. They should implement strong environmental protection regulations to fix that.

          I would prefer if American corporations sent their manufacturing orders to American factories, but I have no control over that or China’s environmental regulations. They should both do better.

        • @banneryear1868@lemmy.world
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          I’d say the 70s was the pivotal decade there with the oil crisis, the party was effectively over for the Democratic FDR post-war reality, and the economic anxieties resulting from deindustrialization began to have impacts in the rust belt. Mao’s death effectively ended China’s Cultural Revolution, and Deng implemented economic reforms to open the country to capitalism, with a huge industrial push and creation of economic zones. While labor power in the US had achieved a great deal in to the 60s, the Taft-Hartley Act from back in '47 kneecapped the ability for labor to fight the death of the US industrial manufacturing core. Because of course capital is gonna capital, and if they can’t exploit workers as well domestically they can in some other country. Especially when they use their hegemonic influence to keep other countries open to private capitalist exploitation, like arming fascist coups in even moderately socialist countries in the global south. The global fight against communism is a backdrop to all this.

          And here we are today as these routes of externalizing the exploitation necessary to maintain this standard of living and consumer economy dry up, and this economic reality turns inward.

    • @Darkhoof@lemmy.world
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      71 year ago

      China is installing more energy production than any other country. Wind, solar, coal and nuclear. They are installing everything.

  • @conditional_soup@lemm.ee
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    1521 year ago

    Currently seeing the US climate narrative shift from “why should we stop burning fossils and get our shit together when China won’t? >:(” to “why should we stop burning fossils and get our shit together when Senegal won’t? >:(” Can’t wait for 20 years from now when we’re balls deep in climate disasters, Senegal gets its shit together, and the US narrative moves to honduras El Salvador Uganda comparing itself to the Philippines.

    Holy crap you guys, it turns out that the narrative that the developing world is going to burn an ass-ton of fossil fuels is a lot weaker than I thought. It looks like there’s a fuckton of equatorial and global south countries with renewables/hydro power, Honduras is even adding Geothermal. God damn it, USA, get off your ass and fix your shit already.

    • @redcalcium@lemmy.institute
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      171 year ago

      Same with EVs. After BYD became the largest EV manufacturer, suddenly EV is not cool anymore. Maybe if car manufacturers focus on making EV affordable instead of cramming more and more luxury features, maybe EV sales in US won’t dwindle.

      • @TheIllustrativeMan@lemmy.world
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        51 year ago

        The anti-EV sentiment has been building much longer than BYD becoming the big boy on the block. About 8 months ago my state passed the equivalent of about a $100 per gallon tax on EV charging.

        • JJROKCZ
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          Mine requires you to pay an extra like thousand dollars when buying your plates as an EV tax, they try to justify by saying they’re missing out on your fuel taxes for the next decade so they want to collect it up front.

          Then they go and spend it on hunting down women getting abortions and black kids existing…

    • @rottingleaf@lemmy.zip
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      51 year ago

      Renewables may be more plausible for some developing countries because of lack of competency or administrative consistency (sometimes to the degree of stealing everything which isn’t nailed to the floor) for centralized grid with a few big producers, and weak infrastructure in general.

      But of course it would be good if some things weren’t stagnating in countries without such factors.

      • @Darkhoof@lemmy.world
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        11 year ago

        It’s more because developing countries don’t attract the interest of corporations so much that they won’t devote much energy to sabotage the installation of renewable energy.

        • @rottingleaf@lemmy.zip
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          11 year ago

          Maybe, but it’s rather that this lack of interest allows local establishment to take the niche and the power in their countries associated with it. So they use the opportunity gladly.

      • @fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works
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        31 year ago

        It’s also easier to justify adopting newer tech in places that are less developed. If you made a billion dollar investment and are still paying for it, it’s harder to scrap it and pivot.

    • @ryathal@sh.itjust.works
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      251 year ago

      China needs a fuckload of power, they are building more of everything including coal. The only reason they aren’t building more coal is people like seeing out their windows.

      The US is actually winding down coal use. China is still expanding, this is a problem. The fact China also added a ton of solar panels is a nice distraction.

      • @conditional_soup@lemm.ee
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        161 year ago

        I seem to have been working on old info, as China has decommissioned 70 GW of coal plants, but it looks like they also just approved a whole lot more of them.

        From Reuters: https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/chinas-coal-country-full-steam-ahead-with-new-power-plants-despite-climate-2023-11-30/#:~:text=After 2025%2C it is unclear,and are phasing out plants.

        In the third quarter of this year, however, China permitted more new coal plants than in all of 2021, according to Greenpeace, even as most countries have stopped building new coal-fired power and are phasing out plants.

        Well, shit.

        Anyway, I’m glad for the solar and nuclear capacity (LOTS of it!) that China’s been building. I’m glad to hear that we are spinning down coal capacity, but I’d be interested to learn what we’re replacing it with. It seems like natural gas is all the rage these days, and that still produces GHG emissions.

        • @Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip
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          71 year ago

          the coal is approved because on how power plants function. dirty energy is usually used to level out power spikes in demand, but not as a main source after you have a remeweable source. its a tually very hard to go 100% renewables.

          • @ryathal@sh.itjust.works
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            21 year ago

            It’s less about balance and more about raw needs. Providing power to a billion people is hard and they are building everything to meet the growing demand.

            • @banneryear1868@lemmy.world
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              31 year ago

              Balance is what determines the supply mix else everyone would just run nukes. Previous commenter is right about why fossil fuels are still used, we don’t have tech to replace their capabilities, which are necessary for reliability of the transmission grid. Energy storage is an area of huge investment right now because of this, with batteries and flywheel storage pilot projects to try and mature this technology. SMRs are another area of research. Programs like demand response to incentivize heavy consumers to change their usage patterns.

              Without the ramp rate of fossils to respond quickly to grid conditions, there would be constant frequency drops and spikes across the transmission grid. Turbines would become out of sync from the frequency on the lines and things would start tripping and we would have a blackout. This is even more complex with unpredictable renewal integration where fossil becomes even more critical for its capabilities, while slightly less for its capacity.

            • @rottingleaf@lemmy.zip
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              21 year ago

              I thought China’s population has stopped growing and is actually on a track to start shrinking rapidly?

              • @redcalcium@lemmy.institute
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                51 year ago

                But at the same time, quality of life is rapidly improving which means energy usage per capita will eventually ramp up to similar level with average western citizen’s energy usage.

                • @rottingleaf@lemmy.zip
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                  01 year ago

                  That depends on whether it’ll keep its position as world’s cheap factory. Quality of life improving tends to affect that too. What energy China now consumes for production may not be required in 20 years.

          • @MisterFrog@lemmy.world
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            11 year ago

            It’s why I’m a bit disgruntled many places around the world aren’t getting their arses in gear and developing and building storage.

            Even if that storage is woefully inefficient (liquid air energy storage, for example) it would be hugely beneficial. In Queensland, Australia, for example, barely any new solar is being built because energy prices are negative in the middle of the day and plants are being curtailed.

            We need storage, any storage, a butt-tonne more of it, like now.

      • @redcalcium@lemmy.institute
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        101 year ago

        I’m not so sure about that. China is about to ramp up solar even more. They build a lot of solar and battery-related factories and secured mining rights for solar and battery raw elements in Asia and Africa in the past few years, sometimes to the point of fighting with the displaced locals (China tend to bring their own workers from mainland instead of employing local workers).

    • @rusticus@lemm.ee
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      481 year ago

      We’ve moved from 17% to 40% of total energy production coming from renewables since 2020. Thanks to Biden policies. Even though according to reddit he’s an incontinent dementia patient.

  • @Skkorm@lemmy.world
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    101 year ago

    China’s govt has been trying to make their country as self sustaining as possible, this is part of that initiative. No one can tell you shit if you’re don’t rely on anyone for external things.

    • @SparrowRanjitScaur@lemmy.world
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      31 year ago

      Ya, it makes sense considering China imports 2/3 of their oil. Solar and EVs make a lot of sense when you don’t have much in the way of fossil fuels. Not even considering the environmental benefits

  • @Spazz@lemmynsfw.com
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    81 year ago

    We’d have more if these right wing assholes would get onboard. You know they’re assholes because they’re attacking China in the comments rather than acknowledging this awesome milestone

  • Jeena
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    21 year ago

    Those are installed, but are they connected to the grid?

          • Jeena
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            11 year ago

            I just showed you that there are doin this in the other two industries, it’s not such a big leap to suspect that they are doing it in a third industry too.

              • Jeena
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                Ok, I give up explaining what I mean, it doesn’t matter.

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    The rise of China is democratizing access to technology. My home government, supposedly a longtime partner of the US even doing its dirty work in Yemen, has struggled for years to get any tech transfer deal with the US, too many hoops to jump through. But were able to get many tech transfers from China recently. It was a major win and that technology includes solar panel manufacturing.

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          101 year ago

          Except in any defacto way, mainland has 0 control on the rule of law in Taiwan. They have their own taxes, military, laws, elections, etc, and again pay no taxes, follow no laws, they don’t partipate in mainlands gov, and don’t serve in their military.

          There is even some international recognition, but mainland does it’s best to hinder their diplomatic missions.

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          Taiwan is an independent and democratic country, unlike the totalitarian and pseudo-communist state that is China.

    • @AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world
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      171 year ago

      Too many hoops, like stop funding the terrorist groups that attacked The US on 9/11? Yeah, I can see how MBS might have some trust issues coming from The US.

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        Funny you accuse the Saudi government of what was an inside-job. The Saudi government exiled Bin Laden in the 1990s, revoking his citizenship, while the US was still working with him. Either way we don’t need it from you. China is making you irrelevant. You can’t withhold technology to bully the rest of the world. You can go pound sand.

        Also funny coming from a nation where a genocidal maniac is the lesser evil, someone who is bypassing Congress to send weapons to Israel and bomb Yemen. You keep your electoralism, and I am keeping our free healthcare, free universities and high speed rail.

        FYI, the US is guilty of multiple war crimes in Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Afghanistan, Iraq and elsewhere. They are guilty right now of war crimes in Palestine. It is really tiring how you pretend to be the good guys. You are Homelander not Superman, and you are no longer the only player in town.

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          Shit were guilty of war crimes inside the US. Tell me something I don’t know.

          Thing is our government occasionally fucks up and does some good shit. MBS, and Ji Jinpooh don’t give two fucks about their own people or any others.

          MBS is still funding terrorist groups 24 years later, and murdering journalists.

          The US Government may be a soulless corporate structure bent on enriching itself. MBS is a parochial dictator that is just pissed off we don’t need his dino juice anymore.

        • @Sarmyth@lemmy.world
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          Bro… the current leadership of China committed genocide on their own soil and have been attempting to expand their borders for decades.

          China is not a good partner for playing the lesser of 2 evils game. You’d be at it all day with the whataboutism.

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      91 year ago

      Let’s install solar panels on the moon! That’ll fucking show them. Beam the energy back to earth with giant fucking microwave dishes. Ohhh that would really piss off them damn reds

      • prole
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        We can do it, not because it’s easy, but because it is hard.

        Wait what? That’s an awful reason to do something.

      • @JasonDJ@lemmy.zip
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        Until it’s a new moon…

        Actually that raises an interesting point…the best time for solar, on earth, is when the panels are most directly hit.

        So since the moon is tidally locked to the earth, that means that there would be better ideal tilts at each longitude, so that whenever the sun is out, they are tilted to receive as much light as possible. But that also means that the panels only even receive light for half of the lunar cycle, at most.

        Right? Am I overthinking this?

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          There are craters towards the poles that receive sunlight all the time. But you’d still have to build extra panels for the lunar cycle. Equatorial stations might be better, and if you built 3, 2 would be in direct sunlight almost all the time.

          Which is fine! Gives you time to do maintenance without any additional losses.

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            Not really…you don’t want to be out doing maintenance at lunar night. We’d have to have some serious improvement in EVA suits, mechsuits, or robots.

            There’s a reason every Apollo mission landed at lunar dawn.

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              That’s it. We’ll need to invent sun lamps. Lamps bright and hot enough to illuminate and warm the Martian surface at night, to enable maintenance.

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            I was more referencing the fact that there’s a significant problem in china with the misappropriation of funds and replacing of real components and equipment with fake or non-functioning components and equipment.

            US has regulatory bodies that (sometimes) work on their own, China has regulatory bodies that only work when the state notices something is wrong, and by that time it’s too late and several billion yuan (RMB) deep.

            It’s not as though there’s an intended malevolence to the people by the CCP, it’s just that their organization structure and manner doesn’t allow for a lot of autonomy and requires direct orders to go into action.

      • @trackcharlie@lemmynsfw.com
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        I doubt it, I’ve no interest in discussing the matter with someone who clearly doesn’t keep up to date on architectural issues within the mainland.

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