Visits to music piracy websites went up more than 13 percent last year, a new report says. The majority of those visits were to sites that allow users to download the audio from YouTube URLs.
Give me lidarr but with a smart daily generated playlist focus instead of collecting artist discographies
What was the service you could upload your own. Playlist and songs and share with friends? Last.fm? Something like that, shit was awesome.
There’s a federated platform called Funkwhale that’s very similar to that.
I think last.fm might still exist. I just used it for the ‘scrobbling’ — stats way before Spotify Wrapped was a thing
Yeah. I want a self-hosted Pandora alternative
Plex’s specialty audio client Plexamp is pretty good if you want to make your own “radio stations.” And if you have a Plex Pass, the server does “sonic analysis” of each track so it can do a good job of playing related music in its smart playlists.
Of course, Plex Pass ain’t free, but if you are in it for the long haul the lifetime purchase may be worth it.
(Everyone’s worried about Plex’s future right now but I would be surprised if they killed self-hosting. That’s another topic though.)
If I cannot buy on Bandcamp or Boomkat or directly from the artist then I sail the high seas, proudly.
I refuse to stream.
I want to counter that buying individual songs and albums would get too expensive compared to streaming, but then I realized I’ve been listening to the same set of playlists in the past few years and the total cost of streaming subscription in those period is probably more than enough to buy those songs.
My current favorites playlist, accumulated over 15+ years, is 4,235 songs. I don’t think I can afford to buy that.
I have 44k songs in 13 years
Looks like you’ve paid 15 years * 12 months / year * $10 / month = $1800
Seems like you’re getting a pretty good deal!
Assuming each of those tracks is about 3.5 min long, that’s about 250 hours of music. Given your numbers they paid an average of 7 bucks per hour of music.
For context, 25 years ago a typical 45 minute album would fetch 15 bucks. And that’s not accounting for inflation adjustment.
I’m sure that’s totally sustainable for those artists…
One, this is just my favorites list, not every album I’ve listened to. And I’ve listened to my playlists on random quite a few times over the years.
Two, I don’t listen to pop music, so the average is probably closer to 4-5 minutes per song. (About 362 hrs of music on the playlist, if you must know.)
Three, you can’t just plug in a yearly rate, convert it to hours, and use it in any meaningful way.
Your first two paragraphs make the picture worse, not better.
As for your last, I’m not writing an economics thesis. It was a quick analysis to illustrate a problem no sane person disputes: streaming services have substantially driven down revenue for artists, to the point that for many it’s genuinely impossible to create their art while making a living wage.
Is it better than piracy? Sure. At least the artists are getting something (well, unless you drop below Spotify’s streaming cutoff, in which case you can get fucked). But it’s still a shitty deal and gives consumers someone else to blame as artists slowly bleed out.
Heh. I never thought about it this way. I just need to finish downloading my Spotify playlists I guess, then plexamp l the way
Anyone have a private tracker invite they’d share with me? Lidarr is the only arr I haven’t set up yet. Wouldn’t mind upgrading my library which I haven’t looked at since college.
I mainly use soulseek for music.
No one will give you one. Music trackers are more difficult than average to get into and harder than most to maintain ratio. I wouldn’t risk my account on it.
You can give this script a go though to download from Dezeer or Tidal from Lidarr
Where is the scene to at least start being considered for private trackers?
I don’t understand how the scene is supposed to stay alive when it’s this exclusive. You have to be in a chat from a forum where you’ve spent years just to get the trackers, let alone do anything for the group other than seed.
Redacted - https://interviewfor.red/
Orpheus - https://interview.orpheus.network/
Man it was so hard for me to maintain ratio on oink. I didn’t have anything new to bring to the table and that was why. I had to invest time to target certain popular music in hopes to seed some of it. Then it got shut down.
When What died I was on ratio watch despite seeding constantly
Shit my bad it was what. So hard to keep a ratio
sure I recommend either Oink or What.cd, whichever you prefer.
A quick googling says these are both shut down. RIP.
Whatever happened to what.cd?
government got involved due to pressure from the music industry
Sweden I think
RIP
Why doesn’t youtube use DRM the way other Big Tech sites do?
Because it’ll stop working on a not-insignificant portion of their userbases devices.
DRM sucks. We don’t need more of it.
If that was adequate to explain Youtube’s decision-making, the platform would be unrecognizably different for all of the terrible things Youtube didn’t do because it would be – and indeed was – terrible
google sucks too so why aren’t they using the thing that sucks?
Because YouTube isn’t the biggest ripping source. That award goes to Spotify.
Spotify rippers are rife these days. I’ve even made my own.
That isn’t piracy. It’s time shifting, and it’s perfectly legal to do it.
It is piracy if you make it available for others to download. Plus the concept of time shifting doesn’t really apply to on-demand media.
It is infringement if you’re sharing the files, but if you make a copy for yourself, then it’s considered fair use. See: Sony Corp. of America v. Universal City Studios, Inc.
Internet isn’t always available, such as in an airplane or someone might not want to give access to the Internet to their child but wants to give them video or audio on a tablet. They can legally copy the content and watch it later.
There are legal issues with software that is solely designed to bypass drm, but that only applies to the software creator, not the user.
That’s my point though. YouTube’s audio quality is utter wank, so it’s easier to source the music through the likes of Spotify and rip it for piracy. All you need to do at that point is tamper with the watermarking. If you’re pulling the OGG Vorbis source files directly, and have access to two Premium accounts, you can rip it twice and diff it to see the areas that need to be modified
I never stopped but i started buying music too from small artists
I have never pirated music more in my life as I do now.
I have never purchased as much music as I do now.
I never stopped either, but i buy vinyl…slowed down since my turntable only spins at 33.3 in special occasions when the spirits shine upon it.
Belt driven? May need new belt.
Its a technics DD. I think its a mk 2 or 3 model. When its off its consistently off. Like it still locks into a speed its just the wrong speed.
I think its an electrical issue and im too afraid to take it apart while it still works sometimes. I probably couldnt fix anyway
Oh yeah that’s way out of my wheelhouse too lol. Hopefully someone online has or posts a video on fixing it (or at least a similar table with the same issue)!
That could be simple to fix. I bought a used SL-1500 which had the issue that it’d only spin at 33rpm. 45rpm didn’t work. I opened it up and with some tuner spray I washed the switch (spraying it, switching it back and forth). Now as good as new. These things are built like tanks
I feel like Bandcamp’s biggest fans are prolific pirates with a conscience who just want to see their favorite artists actually get paid.
EDIT: Don’t forget it’s Bandcamp Friday today.
bandcamp sold out
look forward to its demise
But we’ll still need a proper place to support our favorite creators (where the artists actually receive some of the money). I wonder where people will migrate next.
Haven’t heard about that one, thank you for the heads-up.
First impressions:
- From top 10 artists i follow:
- 5/10 have profile and uploaded at least one song on Bandcamp.
- 3/10 have an account on Audius (possibility to donate).
- 1/10 has uploaded at least one song on Audius.
- One MUST upload a profile picture to create an account.
- About 1/3 of proposed artists during account creation have uploaded <5 songs, most seem to be remix and cover artists.
- Didn’t figure out how to search for artists during account creation, ended up choosing 2/3 artists I’ve never heard of.
- Not immediately apparent whether I can download bought music to a lossless format.
- Not sure how to buy album or individual song at first glance.
- LOTS of remixes and covers, not so much original songs (this is both good and bad).
- Nice that you can donate arbitrary amount without buying anything, in case you already got the music from… other places…
- I didn’t find anyplace where “$AUDIO” is explained, how much the artist receives, or what you receive if anything.
Less relevant observations:
- weird pause/play button, sometimes there’s just a loading wheel spinning where it’s supposed to be, not really functional.
- Slightly intrusive, had to disable some plugins (Javascript (obviously it’s playing music) and fingerprinting (cloudflare?)) for the site to load. Not relevant to music, but just a general observation since we’re in the piracy community.
Not much going on by now, but it probably just needs some time to grow and assimilate the likely soon-to-be-migrating Bandcamp user base. I’ll keep an eye on it, and probably revisit it once more artists have migrated to it.
Thanks for the detailed obesrvation! Yeah unfortunately it still has some technical issues and shortcomings but imo this platform has some great potential.
- From top 10 artists i follow:
The economics with the artists haven’t changed. Until they do I’ll still use them to pay artists a living wage.
That’s super based. Pirate whoever’s stuff you want, but small artists usually depend on that income.
Small artists depend on their income from their 9 to 5 jobs. The music is a bonus
Source - been there
I listen to hundreds of small artists. I can’t buy every singles albums they have.
You don’t have to. Buy the ones you think are worth it, attend shows and maybe buy merch. Like we used to do before leechify
Same issue, I don’t have enough money to support everybody
I wonder how hard it is to make full torrent webclient on mobile
if there was a way to get spotify with at least CD quality and the artists getting the rest of the money that spotify doesn’t already take, more people would probably pay for it.
i am in a spotify family plan already, but i get that paying 12 bucks a month for 320 kbit/s and getting the artist fucked over is too much.
it’s a thing of morals for many people, like with steam. steam doesn’t actively fuck both the developer and the user over, they just take a 30% cut. you could argue about if that’s too much, but i’m fine with it.
In terms of cents per stream, Tidal definitely compansates the most at 4x more than Spotify and 10x more than Deezer. Plus if you VPN to Nigeria on account creation, it’s only $4 a month. You can then use tidal-dl to download music and you can use *arr Scripts to download music using Lidarr.
Does this vpn trick really work? I tried it on some other things and it never worked. It takes the location from the credit card.
Yes, you only have to turn it on for account creation. Turn it off when inputting payment details.
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Weirdly, that’s bandcamp today. Apparently they’re doing a thing where everything you buy today, they will give their usual cut to the artist too.
Shame it’s not all the time, but I guess bandcamp needs to pay for servers, etc.
I know this does not make me look good - but I am a YouTube Premium subscriber. I had Spotify, but they jacked up their family plan rate, and it was only a few bucks cheaper than Premium, then I got the ad-free (without adblockers). I mostly did it to help my kids avoid the toxic ads that are littered into the kid content. The main reason I stick with some of this stuff is for the discovery. Pandora was great, Spotify is ok.
Regardless - the smart playlists, and AI stuff on YouTube music is AWFUL. I cannot put into words how bad it is. Spotify got it right about 1/4-1/2 of the time. YouTube, maybe 1/100. Constantly recommending a country, which I cannot stand. When it isn’t doing country, it recommends hard rock/metal which I also do not listen to. I feel like I need a new way to find music, then I could sever ties with all these trashy subscriptions.
I don’t pay for anything YouTube-related but not at all surprised they recommend shit that is irrelevant.
I’m the opposite as you and enjoy metal/rock as well as rap/hip hop. But I am constantly being shown “recommendations” for pop and anything I’ve literally never listened to. Also tons of live performances I just don’t care about.
And what’s funny is there is a way to tell YouTube that you don’t want to see certain videos of non-music stuff, like if I don’t want to see anything from LTT when it’s recommended. But for music? Lol, nope. No such option. It’s so stupid…
I just listen to playlists that people make or youtube videos of song genres or artists that I like.
Not been my experience. Yt music playlists are really good for me and I’ve discovered a lot of new music through it.
That surprises me, but I suppose it had to work for some listeners or they wouldn’t have gotten it past testing. I have even tried clearing my listen history and starting over - still comes up with country and (going to clarify) ‘metal’ . I like rock and alternative and some forms of pop, as well as a bit of hip hop. cannot fathom why it suggests what it does.
Do you ever thumb down anything, or do you just skip the stuff you don’t like?
Every time. I am not sure it actually changes anything. I have submitted feedback and bug reports to YTM as well. Just generic replies.
I dunno, sorry to hear about your experience. I’ve never had a thumb downed song come back up, not ever. And it absolutely affects what kinds of things come up in my radios.
I feel you. Feels like the algorithm just does whatever now, on main YouTube and Shorts it is awful as well, constantly showing me the same 5 shorts and recommending me channels I have asked to “not recommend” multiple times. No amount of disliking and clicking “Not Interested” seems to help, at least not for longer than a day.
I never thumbs up or down and I find the recommended albums and “Mixed for your” playlists are pretty accurate. I hate that my grandfathered price went up last December tho
I have started buying vinyl with the digital downloads when I find a great album. I feel better doing it this way. Most of my music is not super big name artists.
I still havent found anything can match the experience of finding music from online discussions or list hopping on RYM.
What is rym?
Last fm users with similar taste can be a gold mine
Soulseek if you don’t mind data hoarding.
I have yt premium for the same reason. Toddlers have little patience for ads on their Kindle fire, and they get upset when they click one to buy a luxury watch and can’t figure out how to get back to cocomelon.
I actually like the service and feel it’s fairly priced. So I don’t mind paying for it. I stream yt music all day at work.
Same boat here. My God it’s unbearable how bad YouTube premium is.
I get good value out of it…
…That being said, I curate my own feed heavily, and still have to use a ton of add-ons to keep from going insane - fuck your shorts YouTube.
It is admittedly terrible.
2023 was absolutely the year I dove back into music piracy. I started with downloading youtube playlists but the real game changer was soundiiz, which allowed me to import text, m3u, csv, spotify, xspf playlists into qobuz and deezer so i can download whole playlists of FLAC with qobuz-dl and deemix-gui. My collection went from 20,000 to 100,000, downloading playlists from qobuz and deezer, xspf playlists from my remaining lossy music. I used streamripper on a few web radio stations just to get a list of songs to pull down this way. I only bought music for years and years, but that got me a narrow type of collection.
Man, I never knew there was a way to download my entire spotify playlist.
That’s been the biggest thing tethering me to their service, since they empty you out when you unsubscribe.
I’m getting my playlists out then ditching Spotify. It’s the only service I pay for other than my ISP and VPN.
hey im a noob with music stuff, why would this be preferable to soulseek?
Soulseek is good for downloading albums and discographies, soundiiz, qobuz-dl and deemix-gui are good for that and also playlists of whatever. It’s also a good way to get FLACs. I download genre mixes, pitchfork’s top albums, it’s a good way to get 80gb of music in a night. It’s taken me 3 months to get that much off Soulseek. Sometimes you want to try out artists without downloading their whole discography.
It’s not they probably just don’t know about soulseek / nicotine+
It’s just so much better than any other method I have to assume anyone using these overly complicated methods just doesnt know
Just the idea of downloading playlists instead of albums / discographies feels so incredibly icky to me
Nicotine+ is OK, I upload about a tb a month on there and occasionally I find a missing track I can’t find on Deezer, Qobuz or Bandcamp. Turns out other people aren’t just imperfect versions of you.
Well, no wonder, they took the Northern Boys off Spotify.
why would they do this
13%!?!? WHOOOOOA!
I WISH I COULD HEAR YA OVER THESE HERE BANGING TUNES! 🏴☠️
But are they lossless 96kHz+? Only reason I use qobuz.
Flac and opus on soulseek?
Tidal? You can even download all your music in lossless flac format
Can’t play music without the tidal client I think
You can extract an API key and use other players that support it like Strawberry.
I forgot that they had an API, but I don’t think you can download music without drm afaik
Yeah see this here is actual proper piracy, none of that youtube ripping BS thank you!
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Did I misread 320bps mp3?
Hopefully it’s Kbps, otherwise…
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Honestly the most complete source of high res music is private trackers like redacted. You can download all the stuff from qobuz and bandcamp, every CD rip you can think of in bit perfect quality of and even very good vinyl rips. You basically can download any version ever released from any album.
So right now, I have Radarr and Sonarr automate everything to plex.
Is there a way, I can automate:
I add to Spotify playlist (I would keep Spotify free as it is good at finding things for me)
Something detects it
Something downloads it
It shows up in PlexAmp
Ive been paying for Spotify premium because I need it for my job and I don’t want to spend a ton of time tweaking and naming things. I’d rather use PlexAmp and stop paying if possible but I’d like it to be easy (with a little work here and there) like my arr+plex setup.
Am I asking for something that doesn’t exist?
Syncthing and Spotdl. Syncthing can sync folders over a network. Spotdl can download content from a playlist; it is multi-threaded and skips already existing or duplicate songs. It took me 20 minutes to automate everything. Syncthing and Spotdl start on startup and do their thing every 10 minutes.
I want to preface this by saying I have not tried this.
Lidarr is for music and their documentation says you can have import lists for spotify playlists.
Hmmm… Maybe I’ll have to try this on my next holiday or long weekend and play around with it
I have done this. it can be quite messy but it will definitely import the albums of all the music you have either liked or followed or in playlist in Spotify.
I’m not 100% that it will actually organize it as it was originally on Spotify, though, just that it adds the list’s contents as “wanted tracks”. I assume there’s some way to do this but I haven’t looked into it enough yet.
It’s still on my list, along with figuring out how to get Critical Role working with my Sonarr so I can be done with YouTube frontends…
This is my time to shine !
I am currently working on this and have a prototype that I am testing : https://github.com/P6g9YHK6/SpotifyRipper
When I have the time to polish it I will dockerise the solution to have an automated spotify scraper ATM it is manually run but works pretty well 🥳
Pull requests are welcome for anything on the todo list 🫡 And github stars will help boost this project popularity 🥰
Oh thank god, some songs for some reason are ONLY on Spotify and it drives me nuts
This was one of the issue I had too… I could not make lidarr work with my music tastes so I spent a couple of days prototyping with spotdl to get this working correctly and ended with the current version of the ripper I run it once a week to get the new favs and weekly playlist
This looks cool!
Unfortunately I don’t know anything about Python or docker… Thanks for the link, maybe I’ll try and figure this out on my next holiday.
Just released an update that should take care of most of the libraries requirement for you. Just follow the instructions and it should work
Downloading YouTube isn’t piracy lol it’s time shifting.
TiVo has entered the chat.
What’s that?
Oh god, I’m old…
Mfw the kids don’t know about TiVo
It’s in the lexicon, but not the vernacular…
TiVo was an early digital video recorder that dominated the market for a while. Broadcasters brought lawsuits against the company saying the recording of videos was violating copyright laws, and advertisers hated it because you could skip commercials. TiVo argued in court that they weren’t pirating, but just time shifting the content. Similar arguments were used for people who ripped rented dvds and so on.
They really went hard on VCRs before all of that for the same reasons. Fortunately the time shifting argument was able to be backed by the courts. Otherwise TiVo and so many other formats would’ve basically been banned from the general public being able to have anything nice. Was especially important rulings for forcing most content providers and/or studios into using new ideas and technologies. They are the ones that hold back on everything that could actually make it easier to legally enjoy content.
They make things require so many hoops to go through and like a punishment for wanting to enjoy anything legally. While also making it cost more on their end overall. If these companies were to embrace stuff like torrenting tech, then it would mean less overall costs needed to always be running. We have so many ways of getting stuff from here to there and making sure media is not lost. Copyrights should at best last like 10 years imo. These companies still can’t even be bothered to allow me to buy movies and shows digitally that maybe got a DVD release. So if they won’t give options, then they forfeit the right to claim any “damages” or “lost sales.”
shhhhhhh whatsa matta wit you
