Thankful for Mozilla, seriously!
I can’t believe I’m witnessing the death of the internet, at least it isn’t going quietly into the night.
The vast majority of people will not care about or even be aware of this. They’ll support it because they just want to watch their Netflix or YouTube. Things will continue on as normal, but with more ads and less end-user control.
It’ll be a problem when people are effectively banned from the internet.
But again, the average person won’t be impacted enough to care. They’ll keep browsing. I’m not saying what Google is trying to do is okay, but it certainly wouldn’t be the death of the internet.
They’ll be impacted when they can’t get online on a gosh darn iPhone because Apple doesn’t wanna play ball with Google
You think Apple with App Attest and FairPlay won’t jump on this?
It depends, if Google’s the only one who can “Choose” they’ll be all “I don’t know about that one Chief”, otherwise… Yeah I’m just practicing wishful thinking
The web is not the whole internet. Plus isn’t you being here prove that the internet is resilient?
Even if Lemmy does fight it and doesn’t accept the fingerprinting bullshit, how many other websites are going to do that? We’re just a link aggregator at the end of the day, I feel like all of the most important parts of the Internet are no longer going to be open.
Honestly, I barely go to any other websites anymore anyway, and I just read the headlines and comments here.
The problem with just reading headlines is that they’re often (almost always) misleading or just plain false.
I don’t think OP had any nefarious purpose in it, but this title is ridiculous doublspeak. Google might have a vested interest in trying to bullshit us about this being about “web integrity,” but that doesn’t mean we have to accept its dishonest framing!
I don’t follow.
The first line of the comment is: “Mozilla opposes this proposal because it contradicts our principles and vision for the Web.”
And the proposal is called: “Web Environment Integrity API”
good stuff, glad to see this opposition.
Also slightly related, but I’d absolutely hate if I were an employee having to work on this project and having my name attached to this. Quite embarrassing for all those involved.
welp, who isnt on firefox might want to start using it now.
It’s a little slower and a little more broken and a little less compatible, but its not google’s.
In my experience, Firefox is as fast as Chromium and extremely stable. What are the extensions you are using? Perhaps one of them is causing the instability you’re mentioning.
never thought of that, let me try…
can be the number too. it runs way better if you use fewer extensions (i think i use about ten and most are lightweight or don’t run all the time).
in my personal experience, instability with firefox has rarely been an issue with firefox, and more to do with something else in my system going wrong. Like bad ram, for one example.
It’s not slower, and the rare incompatibilities can be solved by changing the user agent, which shows it’s artificial.
Sometimes changing just the user agent isn’t enough FWIW.
try not to ruin the user experience to make more money challenge (impossible)
They fight an uphill battle because lazy web devs optimize for Chrome and Firefox is a 2nd class citizen, but they do rock the last couple of years.
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I’m doing my part using Firefox. I’ve always liked it over Chrome and I don’t like the sign into Google BS.
Firefox is all I run these days.
Ffs everyone is a firefox main, how does chrome have 62% market share is a mystery
I would assume enterprise is a huge chunk
Also Chrome books, Android users that don’t care enough to change browsers, and most people who aren’t wholly in Apple’s ecosystem. Lemmy users are more knowledgeable about tech than probably 90% of the population. The demographics here definitely aren’t representative of the real world
Firefox is ❤️
Anyone care to ELI5 this for me? This seems like a big deal but I have no idea what it means lol.
Google wants to introduce a new standard for the web that will DRM/SafetyNet the entire web
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/07/googles-web-integrity-api-sounds-like-drm-for-the-web/
Fuck yes, get fucked Google !
Mozilla is such a treasure.
The treasure is being bankrolled by google, so I mean it’s someone’s Treasure that’s for sure.
I’ll take my enemies money any day and use it against them.
We must plunder the treasure so no one else can have it!
Oh, wait
I’ve worked for a large hospital, a very large bank and now a very large company and it’s all RHEL.
Note I also worked at Red Hat in suport for 6 years, trying to be transparent, but I’ve sadly never seen any other Linux distro in a business aspect.
What I find funny is that Ben or one of his few colleagues that helped write the draft closed the Github page over the weekend because of pressure and promises to open it back on monday or something.
Well seems like that is not going to happen now.
If only Firefox would have a bigger userbase. I still use it, but the vast majority of people is on Chromium.
I use firefox as my sidearm browser on my work computer, but I literally just made it the default on my personal computer
I switched this week.
I’m switching today. Right now. Because of this post.
^^maybe
EDIT: okay. I think I’ve done it. I’m currently editing this comment from Firefox. I already had Firefox installed. But now I have pinned it to my taskbar. I went to import my bookmarks from chrome, and found that I also had the option of importing other stuff from chrome, too (bookmarks, passwords, history and autofill data). That’s sweet. My bookmark bar has the same bookmarks in the same position. I also installed ublock origin, like someone recommended. And I am going to give it a go. If it all goes smoothly, I will unpin Chrome from the taskbar.Thanks everyone for the encouragement!
It’ll cost you nothing at all.
And in fact will save you CPU cycles. For a bit, Chrome had a slight performance edge over Firefox. But once Google got the market share, Firefox caught up and got ahead, and Chrome didn’t invest in keeping up, so Firefox is generally faster. The only exception is a few sites (especially Google ones) seem to be heavily optimised for Chrome, but not necessarily as much for Firefox. If you stay away from those sites, Firefox is generally faster.
Plus Chromium is increasingly becoming more hostile to efficient ad blocking add-on implementations - so if you want to block ads (generally recommended due to ad networks doubling as paid malware distribution networks), Firefox or other Gecko-based browsers are generally the best bet.
Wait can you elaborate on that a little bit? Back in the days, Chrome was a resource hog which made me switch to Firefox for a few years. Then I tried a bunch of different browsers and found that my Firefox couldn’t keep up with the performance of Chromium-based browsers, which made me switch to Edge. But now, Firefox has better performance again?
It ebbs and flows over time. All browsers will be attempting to improve performance, but at the same time adding features. More features often impact performance negatively.
Most normal pages are apparently faster in Firefox right now, but Google might make an optimisation effort in chromium that might make Firefox comparatively slower.
The main pages that are still slower in Firefox are Google sites. Google has repeatedly made things on their pages that unfairly favor Chrome. For example at one point they added an invisible frame that had no functionality over the video player on YouTube. They obviously made optimisations in chrome at the same time so they wouldn’t be affected, but Firefox’ hardware acceleration of videos broke, because the video now had additional items over top that it needed to custom handle. This gave chrome a massive performance edge on YouTube, until Firefox started ignoring completely invisible overlays of videos, just like Chrome did
Linux user here, at least on my platform there are chromium alternatives that are far faster, like Brave. uBlock (and now this) are the only reason im still in firefox
Please switch
If it would help with the transition, Firefox has a first time install option to move over all of your bookmarks. A super cool reason to have a firefox account is the ability to transfer a tab from one device to another. Best part is that Firefox isn’t profit motivated like Chrome so there’s much less bullshit to deal with
Thanks, I’ve done it!
I found out you can import not only bookmarks from Chrome, but also passwords, history and autofill data!
Install ublock origin and open YouTube.
You won’t regret it.
DONE!
fantastic. Also, just so you don’t have all that “YoU hAvE tHrEe ViDeOs LeFt” BS copy paste this to the “my filters” tab (go to about:addons, click on uBlock, there dots, “preferences”, then “my filters”) and you should be good to go:
youtube.com##+js(set, yt.config_.openPopupConfig.supportedPopups.adBlockMessageViewModel, false) youtube.com##+js(set, Object.prototype.adBlocksFound, 0) youtube.com##+js(set, ytplayer.config.args.raw_player_response.adPlacements, []) youtube.com##+js(set, Object.prototype.hasAllowedInstreamAd, true)Also here is another that blocks shorts entirely:
www.youtube.com##ytd-guide-renderer a.yt-simple-endpoint path[d^="M10 14.65v-5.3L15 12l-5 2.65zm7.77-4.33"]:upward(ytd-guide-entry-renderer) www.youtube.com##ytd-mini-guide-renderer a.yt-simple-endpoint path[d^="M10 14.65v-5.3L15 12l-5 2.65zm7.77-4.33"]:upward(ytd-mini-guide-entry-renderer) www.youtube.com##ytd-browse[page-subtype="home"] .ytd-thumbnail[href^="/shorts/"]:upward(ytd-rich-item-renderer) www.youtube.com##ytd-browse[page-subtype="subscriptions"] .ytd-thumbnail[href^="/shorts/"]:upward(ytd-grid-video-renderer,ytd-rich-item-renderer) www.youtube.com##ytd-search .ytd-thumbnail[href^="/shorts/"]:upward(ytd-video-renderer) www.youtube.com##ytd-browse[page-subtype="subscriptions"] ytd-video-renderer .ytd-thumbnail[href^="/shorts/"]:upward(ytd-item-section-renderer) www.youtube.com##ytd-browse[page-subtype="trending"] .ytd-thumbnail[href^="/shorts/"]:upward(ytd-video-renderer) www.youtube.com##ytd-search .ytd-thumbnail[href^="/shorts/"]:upward(ytd-video-renderer) www.youtube.com##ytd-rich-shelf-renderer[is-shorts] www.youtube.com##ytd-reel-shelf-renderer m.youtube.com##ytm-reel-shelf-renderer m.youtube.com##ytm-pivot-bar-renderer div.pivot-shorts:upward(ytm-pivot-bar-item-renderer) m.youtube.com##ytm-browse ytm-item-section-renderer ytm-thumbnail-overlay-time-status-renderer[data-style="SHORTS"]:upward(ytm-video-with-context-renderer) m.youtube.com##ytm-browse ytm-item-section-renderer ytm-thumbnail-overlay-time-status-renderer[data-style="SHORTS"]:upward(ytm-compact-video-renderer) m.youtube.com##ytm-search ytm-thumbnail-overlay-time-status-renderer[data-style="SHORTS"]:upward(ytm-compact-video-renderer,ytm-video-with-context-renderer) m.youtube.com##ytm-single-column-watch-next-results-renderer ytm-thumbnail-overlay-time-status-renderer span:has-text(/^(0:\d\d|1:0\d)$/):upward(ytm-video-with-context-renderer) youtube.com##ytd-rich-grid-row, #contents.ytd-rich-grid-row:style(display:contents !important;)AND REMEMBER TO CLICK “APPLY CHANGES” BEFORE LEAVING!
And I’m just gonna drop this right here for those who use Twitch
For the first step: Click the Extensions button (puzzle piece icon) on the right side of the toolbar next to the main hamburger menu > right-click uBlock Origin from the drop-down > “Manage extension”
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No maybes. Do it.
same!
I’d solely use Firefox if jetbrains had better JS debugging support for it.
So for now I use edge for that at work.
Also I really like the tab sleep and vertical tabs features on Edge.
But everything is Firefox on my personal machines
Firefox is awesome now. It was great, then it lost out a bit to chrome, but it’s back to being awesome. If anyone’s reading this and isn’t using Firefox, please switch!
And importantly, their import mechanisms are great. A typical user can switch with basically no effort. Next time they ask you for help, switch your parents too, and your siblings, and that neighbour who keeps referring to the internet as “the google”. Set them up with Firefox and ublock origin and they’ll be set.
it’s back to being awesome
What changed?
The person you replied to was mistaken. Firefox isn’t “back to” being awesome because it never stopped being so.
Well… there is a reason why so many folks sswitched to Chrome. Especially back when Chrome was new, Firefox just felt sluggish and slow. Chrome was a new breeze.
It took Firefox a long time to catch up. I’ve been trying semi regularly and just 3 years ago it was “okayish”. Tried it a few days ago again and switched all my devices over.
I don’t know what happened, but I installed it and it just felt snappy and fast. Apart from having some awesome features. Luckily if you don’t really keep bookmarks and such, switching isn’t that hard.
At least with Firefox Quantum (v57) they have tried to continuously bring in optimizations to bump the performance. In the meantime there has been lots of work with WebRender, a newer and more robust Javascript Engine and better CSS engine which made it get faster every update. Being quite fast and snappy isn’t just a placebo since Firefox has lately started to get better Speedometer scores than Chrome
it’s back to being awesome
What changed?
Depends on what you mean by “when”. From my POV for the last few years, it has an amazing plugin ecosystem (almost complete interoperability with Chrome’s), a revamped/minimal UI, performance optimizations, a better DX for web devs than Chrome, and an active R&D (Firefox View, new plugins button, better personalization, etc). I’m missing a few things but those are the ones that stand out to me.
Fuck those scummy green bastards!
Google already rolled out AMP which is overtly hostile to an open internet and faced zero repercussions from it. The same will be true for this. The average person has no idea what this means, doesn’t care, and won’t be bothered by it. Politicians always side with big business.
I’m hoping the average user will be sufficient annoyed by the lack of adblocking to finally give a shit.
Average users view the web raw, this will go totally unnoticed by >90% of users. If web-drm becomes a thing then it will be easy enough to block those sites and add them to the list of media that is morally acceptable to pirate.
Is there any reason Firefox or anyone else can’t just draw blank elements over the ads to block them on a separate layer? That way the site still thinks ads are being displayed. Kind of like the browser internal version of cutting out sticky notes and pasting them over your screen to cover the ads.
I believe that’s the same as uBO’s cosmetic filters. They’re loaded but not shown…
Firefox could get litigated for ad fraud and these trusted 3rd parties could block firefox from accessing the sites. It won’t work.
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Time to fly the Jolly Roger and find ways to get entire websites, not just movies and TV shows, off the high seas and past the blockade. Drink up, me hearties, yo ho!
The most valuable sites are already advertisement free. Anyone remaining who implements this standard just reduces their viewers. People will do without or other sites will offer an alternative. The tech is doomed to fail because the consumer is always right.
Politicians always side with big business.
That’s not true at all as far as EU tech company regulations are concerned. Examples: laws for GDPR, right to repair, consolidated charging ports, minimum size & pricing roof on roaming data - and related fines for disobeying them.
There is a German ARD Video about Open Source. The EU Parlament is big in with Microsoft products and don’t want to change because they are idiots.
Same goes for local authorities. Munich even had its own Linux distro, then M$ opened a big office in the city and suddenly whole FOSS project was abandoned and everything runs on Windows.
Noone had issues, everything was fine. Everyone was against using Windows in the parlament vote. The president or smth who was part of Microsoft had the full decision and just went with it. Fucking creepy. Humanity was a mistake.
