Me a few months back when I accidentally formatted the Windows drive I was keeping for dual booting just in case.
“Guess I’m a full timer now”
Me accidentally installing Fedora on BOTH my hard drives…
I heard you liked Linux so much, I installed Linux on ALL your harddrives
Imagine a 1tb drive partitioned into 16gb parts and a different distro on each. I have ALL the Linuxes.
Where can I learn such power?
Distrobox
Windows 11 used to consume 3.5GB of RAM and Solus Budgie 4.5 consumes only 1GB…
For me Windows 11 used to consume 7GB of RAM, OpenSUSE Tumbleweed with KDE Plasma only uses 2GB
Damn 7GB is alot! Dafuq Microsoft was doing
And what exactly is wrong with that?
My MacBook Pro was 128 GB of memory is so desperate to fill it up that it gives the applications insane amounts of memory. That only took around 30 GB of memory, so the Mac also loaded the entire file system to the memory which takes around 80 GB. The whole system is super fast because it doesn’t have to read the files from a slow SSD, but from a fast memory.
It’s just a matter of how you look at it. The empty memory = wasted memory.
Bro, my laptop has 8GB of memory lol, and it uses 3.5GB of it just after the startup.
128 GB RAM? How much did the whole thing cost?
I think it was around 7.5k EUR. But because I bought and sold Apple shares with this in mind I’ve paid around 500 EUR for that thing.
Once I can install a program without using the terminal, Linux’ll have a chance in the primetimes
One of the reason I use linux is because there is no reasonable way to manage/update program on Windows using GUI.
The only reasonable program management tool on Windows is chocolatey, which is in the terminal. I need to remember typing
choco upgrade allin command prompt from time to time, and stop all my work to wait for it updates (since it will close your program during updates). And then I will restart to wait for 20 mins for Windows to update itself.Honestly, I don’t mind a break, but remembering thing is not my strong suit; also there are certainly circumstances where stop working for 20 mins is not ideal and Windows just insist on updating itself.
On linux, I install all my program straight from the store (very pretty GUI, even without ads!), and they all automatically update in the background without bothering me at all. Even my OS updates in the background. Every time I reboot, I just boot into a brand new OS, without waiting for any update. (Could use a notification after update is installed, but I think it is broken in gnome…)
I never use the terminal in Linux besides installing and using development tools.
You… can? That’s been a thing for ages. Windows has literally been taking queues from Linux on how to makes installing packages and apps easier.
Windows has literally been taking queues from Linux on how to makes installing packages and apps easier.
Not to argue with you, but I think it would be fun if you can provide the source for this. I am very interested in how Windows is improving (not that I will jump back)
There’s GUI front-ends for things like apt that are pre-installed on many Linux distros, e.g. Ubuntu. And windows has been moving towards trying to have the same thing. And yes, also they’ve got an apt of their own.
They recently introduced a package manager called winget. I’m not sure how many people actually use it however, and it is very much a power user tool
Okay, yeah, but it is still mostly a terminal tool. To a user, this is just chocolatey with less packages, lol.
If only a tool like this came default with most mainstream distros
I use Lubuntu for my home theatre PC, typically with a wireless mouse. But the amount of times I had to pull out the keyboard and open a terminal and add repositories and then apt get update all and then reboot and then try to install my program and then turns out I added the repositories for the wrong version of Ubuntu and now I gotta add the right one and also I can’t double click someting cause it will open it up as a text file instead of an executable.
Look, I like Linux. This isn’t a bad faith propaganda. I honestly think Linux could replace Windows if the developers tried, just tried, to make it user friendly. I work with multple programming languages daily, I’m not computer illiterate, but I appreciate ease of access. When I was a kid, you could install and run things easier on DOS than on Linux today. Why is it so hard to make an installer? Every answer I get on this subject is either whataboutisms or gatekeeping.
It is possible for rpms and Deb packages to contain repos in them, see the vscode packages, it’s just a matter of how developers choose to distribute their software. This is getting alot better with things like Flatpak, Snap and to a lesser extent AppImages
Yeah, the repo shenanigans are something I definitely do not miss from my Ubuntu days. The simplest solution would probably be to look for flatpaks or snap packages instead.
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and add repositories and then apt get update all and then reboot and then try to install my program and then turns out I added the repositories for the wrong version of Ubuntu and now I gotta add the right one
and also I can’t double click someting cause it will open it up as a text file instead of an executable.
I work with multple programming languages daily, I’m not computer illiterate
As a computer programmer, I’m assuming you’re aware of the right click option to mark a file as an executable?
Also, Ubuntu has a GUI for repositories management.
Every answer I get on this subject is either whataboutisms or gatekeeping.
If you were a computer novice then I could maybe understand your criticisms more.
Sweet, then you agree that computer novices have real grievances regarding Linux’s usability?
Sweet, then you agree that computer novices have real grievances regarding Linux’s usability?
A novice would have a learning curve for anything new that they just started to use.
Watch it friend. That middle ground double speak will get you ratioed here
As an aside, damn these window screenshots from GNOME look awesome with the shadows
I want to add, most of the program you can think of is in the store (most of the time, by default!), including many properties tools used in industry.
Slack, Microsoft Teams, Zoom, spotify, discord, signal, thunderbird, chrome, firefox, brave, steam, OBS and many more are all installable with one click!
This store is the only store that is actually usable across all three major OSs.
Just saying that, because people coming from other OSs have a hard time believing a usable app store on desktop can exist.
Agreed. Terminal commands for installing simple programs is a huge turn off for Windows users used to opening an exe and it’s idiot proof. Getting the casual base will be the crucial point
Edit: oof. Guess this is why it doesn’t have a mainstream audience
People say this is u friendly but don’t bat an eye at needed a group policy or registry edit to keep edge from stealing your tabs and making itself the default.
I switched to Linux in 2018 because my lovely to use MacBook stopped getting updates despite being a perfectly capable machine. It really sank in for me, how much Apple relies on planned obsolescence etc. I switched to Elementary OS and was fascinated by how it worked. That was nearly 6 years ago and now I use Linux on fucking everything.
I have come across times when I’ve needed Windows but I can usually just set it up in a virtual machine temporarily. However the times when I need Windows are becoming increasingly rare, thank fuck.
It’s been absolutely phenomenal in the last 6 years to see how far the Linux and open source eco system has grown. My Steam Deck (Steam OS 3), Jellyfin server (Ubuntu) and even my Starlink (OpenWRT) Internet connection are all great examples of that. And I hope it continues.
Is not getting updates such a big deal for MacOS?
Wasn’t the end of the world but I didn’t like Apple not shipping new features etc, just because they wanted me to buy a new machine.
I haven’t tried it myself yet, but I’ve heard that steam vr does not work well on Linux. Is that still the case? Occasional vr is the only thing keeping me from nuking my windows install.
Running Steam VR using Proton works great for me.
Works great. Very occasionally I get an error (black screen) requiring me to disconnect and reconnect the display port adapter but I get the same occasional nonsense with my regular monitor too so 🤷.
Usually that happens after new Nvidia drivers too so…
SteamVR on Linux works out of the box if you have a Valve Index or a HTC Vive.
There are some others that work via ALVR but can’t speak about that.
Two caveats though:
- Valve likes to break SteamVR for Linux with every third update and then takes weeks to fix it
- It works but there’s a lot of issues with it. From incorrectly scaled UI, to missing features, to SteamVR Home not working for a year straight
Most of the time there are community workarounds but there’s only so much they can do.
Daily driving linux since i accidentally started formatting my windows drive while installing NixOS. Best mistake of my life.
Is this the new “I use nixOS BTW”? just sneak it into a nomal conversation like nothing happened? Legend.
I’d tell all the NixOS evangelists to shut up, but they’re immutable.
Oh they are bunch of flakes alright.
I’ve been doing that since 2013. I run Arch btw.
me too, but only since late 2022
Here is my operating systems timeline:
I actually feel bad for you using Linux before most stuff had measured. Font anti aliasing, font name, screen tearing, drivers, flatpaks etc.
2024 ain’t over, you might switch to TempleOS…
Did you stop using a computer between 1994 and 2001? I feel like there’s some interesting story in there.
Yes I did stop using computers during that time. While I had my Amiga in school only nerds had PCs, so I didn’t get one, even though I was programming on my Amiga with AMIGABasic and so on. I guess it was mostly because I started doing normal teenager stuff once I was 16 like motorbikes, cars, playing music, going to the clubs, etc. so there was no time and no desire to use a computer. Only once everyone seemed to have internet at home I started feeling left out a bit. for some months I started usincgcomputers in Internet Cafes and then decided to get a used PC.
You make an excel to track your operating system of choice for the year but don’t include the distro?!? For shame.
Ok, Ok, Ok, I added it now.
Ok of I really think hard I might get some pcs and os’s that I used since I can remember. But who has such a detailed list of os’s they use?
Are Raspberrypis included, do work pcs count?
You can include them if you want to
In my case work and private OSses align quite well in the timeline, Raspberry Pi’s I didn’t put in here.
I rate A+ now, very good.
what’s between 1994 and 2001? MS DOS?
No, I just didn’t have a computer. I bought a MTX 80C and later a Ford Fiesta mk3, I also bought some Technics SL-1200 so I sould pretend to be a DJ:
In the end I just didn’t have the need nor time for a computer.
A hwhat
An extra large, it seems. I don’t get it either.
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Oh god… I just switched yesterday. Borked my windows partition while at it, so linux-only it is. The pain I had yesterday… Out of the box, WiFi was busted, fan curves were busted, RGB was busted, HiDPI’s is still busted, evdi is also still busted, solved surround sound just a few minutes ago. But hey, five problems solved in a day with two left to go is still much better than windows where a single damn bug in AMD software kept me going nuts for months with no fix in sight.
It gets better too. I suppose it depends on your distro and hand ware mix as for what works out of the box.
Eg. my pure AMD Rog Zephyrus laptop worked with Fedora pretty much “out of the box” once I enabled 3rd party drivers.
It’s kinda like switching to stick shift— it’s touch weird, but once you’ve daily driven it a bit the system is second nature.
Huh, stangely, I too have zephyrus laptop, but it’s a duo one, with quite unorthodox display setup, too. The wifi indeed automagically started working after install, audio required some pactl trickery as it has two sets of speakers connected to separate audio outputs, evdi might require some actual coding, since there’s no way to run one of the screens without it, and both synaptics and manufacturer-provided drivers look pre-alpha and don’t even compile… For the rest, https://asus-linux.org/ is a godsend. For HiDPI, maybe got any tips? I have a small 4K main panel, and a couple of big FHD displays. It looks like my options are to either leave dpi unchanged and have everything too small on main panel, or set it to 2 and have everything too big on secondaries, or to use gnome, not sure which is worse… Is there like a daemon, that can dynamically change the window’s DPI value, like windows does, that I don’t know the name of?
I’m unsure. I use Gnome (for ease honestly) and Fedora with Wayland, so (iirc) dynamic display stuff is a wash and I haven’t even explored yet since I just use the clamshell.
I may not be the most helpful for you :/
HiDPI was painful to setup for me. What DE are you using and are you on Wayland?
I’m on awesomeWM, it’s on Xorg, but I’m not dead-locked on it, though, hoping to try hyprland some day when I have time to screw around.
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Everything was running fine on Ubuntu for months until an update. Now it just crashes, trying to load.
Turns out Linux doesn’t play well with NVIDIA.
Oh, trust me, we know.
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I’m just glad that AMD got their shit together at about the same time Nvidia went downhill. It used to be that you needed to get an Nvidia card to get decent Linux support since, even though its drivers were closed-source, at least they worked at a time when AMD’s Linux drivers were absolute garbage. Imagine if things had stayed that way on the AMD side while Nvidia went on its current trajectory; Linux users would be completely out of luck.
By the time i got my current pc I hadn’t booted into windows for several months in the old one, so it never got installed on this one.
What all are better than Windows?
Finally switched (again) full time to Linux early last year. With the current state of Steam proton I have finally 0 reasons to go back. If a game doesn’t work natively on Linux, I refund and move on. There’s so many games out there, I have no reason to go out of my way for any one.
I personally run a Windows VM inside of my Linux-only machine
If a program gives me issues w/ Proton, I have actually found that installing inside windows and moving over into a wine directory works surprisingly well for some products (cough, adobe)
Huh, interesting, never thought to do that. Been missing Photoshop. (GIMP just isn’t the same)
I’m sorta, kinda, mostly illiterate, when it comes to what you are doing with adobe. Are you just installing like normal and then copy/paste the Adobe folder from the programs folder into a wine directory?
Keep this up and we’ll start treating lunuxers like vegans.
How do you know someone runs Arch Lunux?
Don’t worry, they’ll tell you.
I’m Sr IT so I have to stay familiar with Windoze or I confuse the help desk when I ask about trouble shooting they’ve already done before kicking shit up to me.
