to live and die on the first generation of a device
I still have my old dev version of the Oculus. It came with fancy changeable lenses lol. I don’t regret that one at all and now it kinda feels like a little piece of history
I’d hope you’d know what you were spending this much money on if it wasn’t just for online attention.
Isn’t it for people who have ridiculously too much money to dump some of it? :-P
People who paid relatively a lot to feel that they are on with progress and have good taste. These are not things you can directly buy.
Of course, you can buy knowledge and powerful tooling, but I don’t see such hype over digital libraries and good e-ink readers, or over learning programming among Apple fans.
On good taste specifically - Apple has always marketed itself as brand connected to that and has always been the opposite of good taste. I gave up trying to understand that long ago.
And exactly to prove your point I want to mention phone cases with a cutout so you can see the apple logo.
And the whole green / blue messages bullshit. Apple never misses an opportunity to remind it’s users they’re paying a premium and everyone else is a plebe.
Or just which messages are SMS and which are an encrypted protocol. It was the users that turned that into a measure of status.
Except Apple will the ones that refused to allow iMessage on Android so it’s absolutely about status.
I don’t think it is good that they didn’t allow that but it seems non sequitur that means it is about status. I like to know if a message is sms or encrypted. Just like some jabber clients do for private messages. There should be some indication of the message status. And unless you can point to Apple indicating the intent of the colors is for social status and not an indication of protocol, I stand by that.
And I know it is hard to cut through the “fuck Apple” narrative. But to me, they are just another one of many scumbag corporations. I just don’t see any evidence that the intent is social status. That was driven by conspicuous consumers.
Additionally, Apple intentionally makes green bubbles harder to read than blue bubbles.
https://medium.com/@krvoller/how-iphone-violates-apples-accessibility-guidelines-6785172eb343
You missed the news, I guess.
Apple fully admitted a few times that it was intentional. It was 100% an artificially created mechanism to polarize users, and bully them into Apple’s “ecosystem”.
I didn’t miss that; that just isn’t what it says. Well it is what you say, but that’s not what I’m disagreeing with. I agree with you.
iMessage on Android would simply serve to remove an obstacle to iPhone families giving their kids Android Phones.
I’m not saying it isn’t a dirty business trick design to lock consumers in. It is. I’m saying it isn’t clear to me that it is designed as a social status issue. That was driven by a large group the users. Even still what this article is talking about is not having iMessage on android, which is not at all what I was disputing. I’m saying the colors serve a functional purpose. Not saying “only a functional purpose” but useful nevertheless.
I won’t be surprised if android likewise distinguishes between sms and messages using the new protocol.
Don’t they all? I’ve never looked for a case showing the logo, but every case I’ve ever had show it
I guess this is the new gold standard for douchebag detection. That used to be the gold apple watch, but this feels like a more glaring example.
What sucks is that at some point iPad marketing and Apple aesthetic etc felt for me a bit as if it’s going in the direction of the
hype over digital libraries and good e-ink readers, or over learning programming among Apple fans
for real, and I think that’s intentional, just like with M1 and adopting a Unix-like OS and what not, and some series on Apple TV not being that stupid, they always tease you in subtle ways, never ultimately delivering.
Its center of mass is definitely on the douchebag side, but until you clearly see their every move and retrospect over 20 years or so, you are never sure.
Its just a cash grab company that didnt yet collapse, because of its hype around it and its fanboiiiiis. And everybody supporting apple are just those who are deeply invested into that closed ecosystem. If apple dies out for any reason, they are screwed because their products are bricked without apple.
Give them credit for acting since the beginning the way all bigger tech companies do now.
Like big assholes? “With our products you feel like you are a better than others”? Yeah they started that shitty trend.
This is understated. They started it, and proved how incredibly successful misleading and exploiting consumers was. They (almost entirely) killed the replaceable batteries in phones, the headphone jack, and the persuit of genuine innovation.
Correct
And besides the tech bros with the throw away money, many of the people who have bought this thing are “influencers” and now are having trouble figuring out how to make content with or about this thing, because it’s early adopter play tech and has very little actual use, so the influencers are the ones putting out videos like “what would I even do with this?”
It’s a devkit, that apple is even selling these things to ‘users’ is idiotic.
Hilarious. It doesn’t even look cool to wear it. It’s slightly better than Google Glass, but what are you going to do with it?
What people seem to be doing with it is driving around in Tesla’s with it and looking like even larger burks than they usually do.
I always thought Google Glass looked pretty sleek. Much better than having a full VR set on your face. You had a full field of vision, just a small HUD.
I mean, as I pointed out, before an App Store, not much. After an App Store and some competition there are crazy cool applications. Cooking? The device can show you how much of your food to chop, where to put it, visually measure a teaspoon or tablespoon or whatever for you, automatically start a timer when you get the chicken in the pan or whatever. Look up at the stars and see constellations, flights, weather, etc overlaid by your view. On-road gps directions where there is an arrow video game style showing you where to go. Apps that could assist in things like building legos by showing you which pieces to grab and where they go. Looking down over the earth while on a flight to see exactly what landmark/town/area/state you are looking at. There are awesome applications to the tech. Whether we will see them or not is a matter of speculation. Apple is advertising a 3500 dollar headset with cool hardware and boring ass software right now
That may be a more complex device, but I’d prefer something like a light Mandalorian helmet, with normal glass before your eyes (BTW, I think I’ve read about new kinds of glass which change degree of translucency depending on ionization or something) and picture being projected on it or with some display inside. I’m fine if that’d be 16x times fewer pixels.
Looking at the outside world via a computer display is just instinctively awful.
BTW, I think I’ve read about new kinds of glass which change degree of translucency depending on ionization or something
Yes it’s called electrochromic glass, although it’s actually more kind of glass laminate. But yeah it can be engineered in such a way as to change color depending on solar output or on the presents or absence of an electrical impulse. It’s been around for about 20 years but it’s only been practical for about 10.
People have even already integrated it with transparent displays so all of the technology is already there. It just needs commercializing.
Polestar apparently have a car with electrochromic glass in its windows so you can turn those into a computer display.
If I want to look at the world through a screen I’d stay home and watch a documentary.
The camera they use will never have the acuity, color perception and dynamic range that your eyes have. It probably doesn’t work super well in dark environment and it’s definitely completely useless for stargazing.
but people have been cooking, monitoring the sky and roamed the world for some ten thousand years now. what’s the innovation here?
But $3500 to tell me which LEGO to pick up is totally worth it.
It has a logo of an apple on it now
This is America: you’re either a duper or a dupee.
I’m a duper.
You guys are the dupees.
You guys all think I’m a hero and I’ll accept that responsibility
A 4K USD electronic device that’s what they bought…if they needed it’s features not sure but… that’s what they bought.
needed its* features
Thanks, its no tits
My phone autocorrects this wrong frequently, like it’s life depends on it. One can assume GP typed the correct thing.
A 4K USD
electronicstatus deviceFTFY
I know they look slick but, outside of clout chasers and brand fanatics, who spends $3500 on something without knowing why they’re buying it?
Nobody does. This article is bullshit just to get clicks
Peak conspicuous consumerism. They just need to make an app for it that does nothing but costs $5k like the infamous “I am rich” app when the App Store just opened.
This article is idiotic. People know they are buying a first gen spatial computer. It’s not like you accidentally spend $3500
Many average consumers probably don’t specifically know what ‘spatial’ means, or what defines a computer vs a phone or whatever. People with too much money do spend 3500 carelessly, I have known a few of the types, and for the latest Apple technology I could see plenty of people buying it without even knowing what it really is.
They know what spatial computer means because they watched Apple’s short video that explains the product and how it augments your environment. If people with too much money buy one, why do you care? You care about all the other dumb shit they waste their money on too?
They can buy whatever they want haha I didn’t say I care, I was just saying the article title could be accurate, people spend money without knowing much about the purchase all the time.
Apple Vision Pro Owners Are Struggling to Figure Out What They Just Bought
Im struggling to figure out why Apple Vision Pro Owners threw out $3500 on a device without knowing what they can use it for
If I had so much money that 3500 dollars didn’t matter to me, I’d have one.
From what I’ve seen on it, I’d play with it for a day and forget about it.
Maybe an hour. Seems like it’s pretty cool but there’s nothing on the headset worth buying the headset for, even at half the cost. Even at a third.
If Apple actually developed the technology in a sensible way, and that’s a big if, it could actually be a really interesting product.
Right now it’s a bit limited as essentially it is a very very expensive second display which only works with Apple devices.
Apple puts out a product, Apple users buy the product. Nothing to figure out.
I just wonder how much Apple would make selling empty boxes and marketing them as such.
Apple does have really nice boxes
They kinda do already; Apple sells a twisted piece of metal for $1k, and people buy it from them.
The new Apple Log®
“I love log!”
I’m sure that the iBox would turn out a fair profit.
They are people who paid $4000 to be a voluntary QA team.
Is Apple heading down the road of Windows now? Release beta software and use the scream test to debug it?
When iPhone was released App Store didn’t even exist. A smartphone without apps is just a phone and VR glasses without apps are just a 360 degree monitor you wear on your face. I think Apple’s reasoning here is to provide the hardware and see what people do with it.
Yeah the iPhone was successful at launch because it was a sleek blackberry and had iPod like capabilities. But it didn’t blow up until the App Store came out. I expect this product to do the same, and in the same way, companies to release competitive products with similar capabilities in a feature war until the newest releases are mostly talking about resolution and processor speed instead of new features
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When Apple released the first iPhone no one had an app store, originally Apple wasn’t even going to have an app store it was all going to be web apps and then they realized that they could make more money with an app store. It wasn’t a feature people expected, but people do expect apps now and they’re not present.
We absolutely expected it when we realised no games or anything could be installed.
Can confirm, I had an Apple Newton. Hardware with no purpose is just hardware. So far, this seems like it’s going where every VR headset goes. It’s a solution looking for a problem.
I think Apple’s reasoning here is to provide the hardware and see what people do with it.
for sure, and in the rest of the tech world, we call these devkits, not finished products. Apple is trying to convince rando non-dev apple fanboys to pay $3500 for the privilege of playing with devkits. And in many ways, it’s a dead end, especially on input. what a shit show.
I would be potentially interested in developing an app for it there are some things holding me back.
- There’s no documentation on how to develop for it, that’s a big one.
- I refuse to pay that much money for a dev kit
- It’s missing vital features like the ability to connect to a bluetooth keyboard without having to go via a MacBook
- It’s so expensive that only business users would buy it, and yet its battery is so small that it’s no good for business use, so where the hell are my customers going to come from?
- It’s only available in the United States again limiting the number of customers that I may potentially have
It just doesn’t seem like it’s been properly released yet. It’s a beta product with beta features and has been released as such except it has a non beta price. And also virtually no developers got early access so there’s basically no apps.
Amen brother, same situation here.
you’ll need an m1 or m2 dev box - so $800-3000+ for something with decent ram and storage. and you’ll want an apple care subscription, $400 for two years (which won’t actually pay for repairs, simply reduce the pain of them enough to justify); and you’ll need to pay an apple dev id - $100 for indies, $250 for enterprise iirc; and you’ll want to get some extra batteries to daisy-chain off the usb-c port on the existing battery because that shit only lasts 2.5 hrs at BEST. oh and spend another $100 on each devkit because they don’t come with a fucking case.
it’s like their dev chain is a fucking sadomasochistic loyalty test where the privilege to develop for the device’s barren ecosystem costs more and more at each step. All for the honor of writing xcode apps that are running on ipad os++
fucking hell
Now?
You mean selling unrepairable beta products of questionable usefulness at insane prices?
Nah, it just has no apps, a poor battery life and like all new Apple product lines will be massively put to shame by its successors.
It doesn’t have a poor battery life it has a poor battery design. If they put a decent battery on the damn thing it would be okay, it’s not particularly power hungry but apple just give it a gnat’s testicle of a battery.
The design makes perfect sense. You can trivially add an additional pack with capacity if that’s your use case. The included pack does the power management and has enough for plenty of people without being in the way, and it’s as simple as plugging in any source of USC-C power at appropriate specs to extend it.
That would be a fine argument if the device didn’t cost more than my mortgage repayments. But for device that expensive, they absolutely need to put a decent battery on the thing.
A “decent battery” is bigger and more weight to carry around that plenty of use cases don’t want or benefit from. It’s not small for cost reasons. It’s because it’s a worse device if you force it to be huge.
The price is high, but only if you ignore how much tech is in it. A lesser but close dumb display from anyone else is thousands in its own.
Yes it’s got lots of cool tech in it, none of which does anything. Excuse me while I go and watch Netflix on a display that costs 1/10 of the money yet has thousands of times the functionality.
Being overly complicated doesn’t mean it’s worth money.
There isn’t a single use case that wouldn’t improve with a longer lifespan of the device.
It is nothing but Apple marketing bullshit to claim people want a small battery, and nothing but Apple greed to increase the profit by using worse components.
They got a hololens, but like 8 years later, for the same price, and still just as useless.
try a thousand more than the horrorlens lol. Our hololens 1 and 2 devkits were $2400 iirc.
Wtf ever happened to hololens
The technology wasn’t really there yet. The AR view was too small and the headset too big.
It was also just marketed to business, so other than it being the new fad it didn’t really take off.
Same thing that will happen to the Vision Pro. They stalled but eventually made a second version and had horrible production issues. After the second version was out a couple years they quit, laying off the whole team.
That’s really sad. Microsoft really should have been able to herald these into the mainstream. I guess they are just like Google now…
I was so excited when they announced that and showed Minecraft just hanging out in the living room.
I wouldn’t have used it long.
It’s an uncomfortable way to watch porn.
It is quite comfortable actually. The masturbation in public part, not as much
We should start calling these the “new oculus” or something. The marketing has been insane and neither Meta or Apple would benefit. It would be like when people called every console a Nintendo.
I’m going to the store do you want a Coke?
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