It’s an uncomfortable way to watch porn.
It is quite comfortable actually. The masturbation in public part, not as much
It’s a native feature of the device that allows its user to get enormous amounts of attention, in real life and subsequently online, by simply wearing it in public.
Sounds horrible. I guess I’m not someone who seeks attention at any cost like some people, it public is the last situation I’d use this thing in. I would feel like a complete dumbass wearing it at a coffee shop and waving my hands around.
I want it like crazy. No chance I’ll wear it in public after I pull the trigger.
I probably would throw it in my backpack on hikes to do some captures of stuff like waterfalls and nice mountain views. They’re really nice and not something you can do with my regular camera.
That’s why I bought one. To record spatial videos. I already tried it and without the straps (which pop off easily) you just pick it up and hold it like a camera, record video with your hands on it like a camcorder, then put it back down. It’s very much like just putting an old school camcorder to your eye for a few seconds. And there is no way in hell I’m wearing it in public except on an airplane maybe
How does that work? Does it stitch together panoramas?
So I asked, and you can’t do captures to use for the backgrounds with the headset (I’m guessing they use better equipment and maybe some processing), but it does do “spatial photos and video”. That was part of the demo in the store and they’re really impressive. The 15 pro can also capture a 3D video that still looks cool, but has noticeably less depth than the captures with the headset.
I’m not sure the exact technical details, but there are a whole bunch of cameras and other sensors. I’m assuming it uses all of them combined to capture the 3D photos. But there was a lot of depth in the version I saw in the demo.
And it’ll get snatched from you faster than an iphone
Simple solution. Kensington lock attached to the gonads. The device can helpfully warn others against theft with an LED projection on the wearer saying Big Cojone Security is active.
Yeah, last thing I want is more attention while wearing those things and the chance that people will be able to hear the audio from the pr0n I’d be watching on it.
Where there’s a will, there’s porn. You can watch porn on any Apple device now. The issue I believe they’re calling out is a formatting issue with some video formats that porn uses, but that can be fixed with some conversions and probably more depends on 3rd party apps, which will likely show up at some point if they’re not already there.
NY post is awful. Deliberately misconstrued this Reddit thread for clickbait.
Web based vr pron works.
https://www.reddit.com/r/oculusnsfw/comments/1ahffm0/anyone_figured_out_porn_on_the_vision_pro/
Sideloading apps is also easy.
Ah, my bad. Thanks for the correction!
The porn thing is overblown - it’s only about VR porn. You can watch all the porn you want in a video player or web browser. However people who don’t like Apple eagerly ate up this news, as if Apple banned porn on the device somehow.
The masturbating in public might be a dead give away too
Public? No officer, i was masturbating on the moon!
Nono you can send out a signal to everyone else’s Vision Pro to hide what you’re doing with your hands. You’ll be totally in private!
Oh shit… I wonder if they see me doing it now? This subway car seems pretty full, but no one’s making eye contact… so I should be cool.
Actually, this makes me wonder if the Vision Pro would register your strokes as inputs while you were trying to do the deed?
Yes. And if you’re connected to the internet you’ll start summoning demons.
It’s the same problem google glass had. It can be the most information rich and user friendly device in the world but if you look like a dingus wearing it, it will never catch on.
That’s what I thought about the elephant tusk looking AirPods yet here we are.
The Reality Distortion Field sometimes makes things hard to predict when it comes to Apple products.
I’m kind of surprised people felt that way about AirPods. I don’t remember that at the time. They seem quite mild to me at this point - people didn’t mind wearing regular earbuds around, why worry if there’s a cord or not?
I thought they looked like uncooked long macaroni.
People on here are wired.
Air pods just look like regular apple headphones just without wires.
They sure as shit look less goofy than my huge pixel buds that stuck an inch out of my ear.
You’re probably thinking of the current gen AirPods rather than the original (comparison).
Lol. So Gen 2 they were finally like “let’s shape this thing more like someone’s ear”. Then Gen 3 “Fuck it, ears are apparently different shapes let’s just go with the tried and true method that’s been around on $5 earphones for a decade”
Only “pros” have human ears. Everyone else must be mutants.
They look like puss leaking out of the ear to me.
What if I already look like a dingus?
Two dingi don’t make a right. Or something.
Don’t they cancel each other out?
Unfortunately they multiply instead of cancel
One times one is still one
i times i is -1, though. Imagine that!
No, if you touch two dingii together you still have two dingii.
Two sexy, sexy dingii
Now the singular is “dingius?”
Hmm. They might. Hadn’t thought of that.
This requires more research. You must buy one - for science! And, I guess, for “science “.
Dingi.
Pronounced ding eye? Dingii? Ding gee eye?
My brain hurts now.
It rhymes with dinghy.
But thats just a single dinghy.
If you pluralize that its either dinghies or dingii?
Meh, my autistic brain gets stuck on weird stupid shit like this.
Its like… If you have a donut, then a second donut, you have two donuts.
You can say two donut to be cutesy i guess?
Very hard for me to tell when being cutesy is appropriate.
One dingus, two dingi.
Then if you wear it you’ll be an even bigger dingus and make other dinguses look less dingusy. It would kinda be a public service of sorts I guess.
The lesser known brother of the Overton window - the Dingerton window.
Its a 3500 dollar computer you wear on your face, that can only perform basic computing tasks which can more cheaply be performed on a cell phone, draws enormous amounts of attention to the user when used in public spaces, and both the ability to use it in public spaces and the attention drawing nature of it are marketed as pros.
Ok, so its now exceedingly clear that anyone who would get this thing is a wealthy idiot who has 0 experience with an impoverished community, as if you walked through a poorer area, you would just get mugged and have this high value device stolen from you.
And frankly at this point I would morally support that happening.
Not that it likely will, as anyone both dumb amd rich enough to have this happen to them generally has no kind of on foot commute through any such impoverished area.
The creator of the Apollo app recently tooted about wearing his out in public, getting noticed, and then secreting away to his hotel because the attention made him uncomfortable.
I’m probably more of an Apple fan than I like, but I can’t imagine owning one of these, let alone wearing it out in public.
It seems like Apple kind of forgot that good tech should first be good tech. They’re leaning heavy on this being a lifestyle item, but like - there’s no lifestyle out there that hinges on looking like boring versions of the guy from ready player one.Made the mistake of wearing the Vision Pro at a coworking space and some youths saw it through the window and started yelling “YOOOOO Vision Pro!! yoooooo” so now I’m going to my hotel
lmao, poor guy.
boring versions of the guy from ready player one.
Feels like there’s some redundancy here.
That makes sense… he’s a fairly normal person. I could see using the Vision Pro at a co-working place anyway, especially for someone who’s an iOS app developer.
It does seem like an oddly clunky device by Apple standards. I don’t find the overall idea abhorrent and could picture owning one down the road - perhaps after they’ve had a few years to make the device smaller and less expensive. I have no idea what I’d use it for though. Maybe once there are more exciting games than repackaged mobile games like Super Mega Fruit Ninja.
Oh, yeah. More power to him. A later post by him said that the app he’s developing for it has already paid for the cost of the headset. I fully believe he’s just out there working.
I’m hoping in a few generations, when they’ve got the form factor worked out, and the price under control, that it’ll be more to my liking.
I don’t think I would ever want to interact with someone while wearing it, but it could be great for all the things VR is great for, but without the creepy Facebook privacy invasion. (I know - Apple is slipping down that slope, too. They’re just not as far down it yet.)
Yep, no chance I’m drawing that much attention to myself.
I know they look slick but, outside of clout chasers and brand fanatics, who spends $3500 on something without knowing why they’re buying it?
Nobody does. This article is bullshit just to get clicks
This is America: you’re either a duper or a dupee.
I’m a duper.
You guys are the dupees.
You guys all think I’m a hero and I’ll accept that responsibility
People who paid relatively a lot to feel that they are on with progress and have good taste. These are not things you can directly buy.
Of course, you can buy knowledge and powerful tooling, but I don’t see such hype over digital libraries and good e-ink readers, or over learning programming among Apple fans.
On good taste specifically - Apple has always marketed itself as brand connected to that and has always been the opposite of good taste. I gave up trying to understand that long ago.
Its just a cash grab company that didnt yet collapse, because of its hype around it and its fanboiiiiis. And everybody supporting apple are just those who are deeply invested into that closed ecosystem. If apple dies out for any reason, they are screwed because their products are bricked without apple.
Give them credit for acting since the beginning the way all bigger tech companies do now.
Like big assholes? “With our products you feel like you are a better than others”? Yeah they started that shitty trend.
Correct
This is understated. They started it, and proved how incredibly successful misleading and exploiting consumers was. They (almost entirely) killed the replaceable batteries in phones, the headphone jack, and the persuit of genuine innovation.
I guess this is the new gold standard for douchebag detection. That used to be the gold apple watch, but this feels like a more glaring example.
What sucks is that at some point iPad marketing and Apple aesthetic etc felt for me a bit as if it’s going in the direction of the
hype over digital libraries and good e-ink readers, or over learning programming among Apple fans
for real, and I think that’s intentional, just like with M1 and adopting a Unix-like OS and what not, and some series on Apple TV not being that stupid, they always tease you in subtle ways, never ultimately delivering.
Its center of mass is definitely on the douchebag side, but until you clearly see their every move and retrospect over 20 years or so, you are never sure.
And exactly to prove your point I want to mention phone cases with a cutout so you can see the apple logo.
Don’t they all? I’ve never looked for a case showing the logo, but every case I’ve ever had show it
And the whole green / blue messages bullshit. Apple never misses an opportunity to remind it’s users they’re paying a premium and everyone else is a plebe.
Or just which messages are SMS and which are an encrypted protocol. It was the users that turned that into a measure of status.
Except Apple will the ones that refused to allow iMessage on Android so it’s absolutely about status.
I don’t think it is good that they didn’t allow that but it seems non sequitur that means it is about status. I like to know if a message is sms or encrypted. Just like some jabber clients do for private messages. There should be some indication of the message status. And unless you can point to Apple indicating the intent of the colors is for social status and not an indication of protocol, I stand by that.
And I know it is hard to cut through the “fuck Apple” narrative. But to me, they are just another one of many scumbag corporations. I just don’t see any evidence that the intent is social status. That was driven by conspicuous consumers.
Additionally, Apple intentionally makes green bubbles harder to read than blue bubbles.
https://medium.com/@krvoller/how-iphone-violates-apples-accessibility-guidelines-6785172eb343
You missed the news, I guess.
Apple fully admitted a few times that it was intentional. It was 100% an artificially created mechanism to polarize users, and bully them into Apple’s “ecosystem”.
I didn’t miss that; that just isn’t what it says. Well it is what you say, but that’s not what I’m disagreeing with. I agree with you.
iMessage on Android would simply serve to remove an obstacle to iPhone families giving their kids Android Phones.
I’m not saying it isn’t a dirty business trick design to lock consumers in. It is. I’m saying it isn’t clear to me that it is designed as a social status issue. That was driven by a large group the users. Even still what this article is talking about is not having iMessage on android, which is not at all what I was disputing. I’m saying the colors serve a functional purpose. Not saying “only a functional purpose” but useful nevertheless.
I won’t be surprised if android likewise distinguishes between sms and messages using the new protocol.
And besides the tech bros with the throw away money, many of the people who have bought this thing are “influencers” and now are having trouble figuring out how to make content with or about this thing, because it’s early adopter play tech and has very little actual use, so the influencers are the ones putting out videos like “what would I even do with this?”
It’s a devkit, that apple is even selling these things to ‘users’ is idiotic.
Hilarious. It doesn’t even look cool to wear it. It’s slightly better than Google Glass, but what are you going to do with it?
What people seem to be doing with it is driving around in Tesla’s with it and looking like even larger burks than they usually do.
I mean, as I pointed out, before an App Store, not much. After an App Store and some competition there are crazy cool applications. Cooking? The device can show you how much of your food to chop, where to put it, visually measure a teaspoon or tablespoon or whatever for you, automatically start a timer when you get the chicken in the pan or whatever. Look up at the stars and see constellations, flights, weather, etc overlaid by your view. On-road gps directions where there is an arrow video game style showing you where to go. Apps that could assist in things like building legos by showing you which pieces to grab and where they go. Looking down over the earth while on a flight to see exactly what landmark/town/area/state you are looking at. There are awesome applications to the tech. Whether we will see them or not is a matter of speculation. Apple is advertising a 3500 dollar headset with cool hardware and boring ass software right now
That may be a more complex device, but I’d prefer something like a light Mandalorian helmet, with normal glass before your eyes (BTW, I think I’ve read about new kinds of glass which change degree of translucency depending on ionization or something) and picture being projected on it or with some display inside. I’m fine if that’d be 16x times fewer pixels.
Looking at the outside world via a computer display is just instinctively awful.
BTW, I think I’ve read about new kinds of glass which change degree of translucency depending on ionization or something
Yes it’s called electrochromic glass, although it’s actually more kind of glass laminate. But yeah it can be engineered in such a way as to change color depending on solar output or on the presents or absence of an electrical impulse. It’s been around for about 20 years but it’s only been practical for about 10.
People have even already integrated it with transparent displays so all of the technology is already there. It just needs commercializing.
Polestar apparently have a car with electrochromic glass in its windows so you can turn those into a computer display.
but people have been cooking, monitoring the sky and roamed the world for some ten thousand years now. what’s the innovation here?
But $3500 to tell me which LEGO to pick up is totally worth it.
It has a logo of an apple on it now
If I want to look at the world through a screen I’d stay home and watch a documentary.
The camera they use will never have the acuity, color perception and dynamic range that your eyes have. It probably doesn’t work super well in dark environment and it’s definitely completely useless for stargazing.
I always thought Google Glass looked pretty sleek. Much better than having a full VR set on your face. You had a full field of vision, just a small HUD.
Do we really want to live in a world where people are walking around with these things on their face, gesturing around like they are insane?
It’s bad enough to witness how awful public spaces have become since smartphones came out, but this is next level zombie.
Sliders on Peacock Season 4 Episode 4, “Virtual Slide”. Worth watching as this episode from 1998 realistically conveys the dystopian potential of VR/AR headsets. The headsets are centrally controlled and wirelessly networked. Topics covered include privacy violations, IP theft, manipulation of reality, social decay, virtual image and body autonomy, nested reality. It’s only taken 26 years to create a convincing reality that allows someone to wear the headset publicly with minimal problems. The fact that Apple hit the target on a 1.0 product is actually frightening. What will another 30 years of development bring?
Wh do you care?
It is inevitable to a degree. Obviously this is not the final form and I’m sure the goal is to make a more fashionable solution that fits into their phone/watch/airpods kind of edc strategy. But no doubt we’ll have a future where info is right there if we want it. This thing is the foray into developing that eventual product for Apple. To me it looks real dumb, but a sleeker version in the future that looks like glasses…well shit it might be nice to watch a show while washing dishes idk.
Yea, while it’s way out of my price range and looks a little goofy, this is exactly what I’ve been hoping for as the next step to VR. AR (or whatever Apple wants to call it) is super fascinating, and will be pretty much the main reason for me to get a headset in the first place.
While it may have issues, I’m really excited to see how the market reacts to it, hopefully occulus or another company will try and compete. Feels weird to say, but I’m hoping Apple finds success with it
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I was looking forward to the Google glass. Not because it was Google but because if a heavy hitter drops something more usually follow. To bad it flopped. I would love having something like that instead of my phone. Especially once there’s prescription versions of them.
I just want smart glasses like a smart watch. Show me notifications, let me decline calls, etc. I don’t want all the VR crap, just like 4 lines of text.
Given the ability to verbally ask a gpt something now, the goggles would have been a great thing to release in about a year from now.
That’s why they released the pro now, so in a year when they release the $1000 “cheap” ones people will jump at the opportunity to be a part of the “in” crowd. 🤮
I like to Google for questions I have. I would like for at least that much. Im with you on the rest. I don’t need for it to have video or anything like that. Just basic features and text googling.
But no doubt we’ll have a future where info is right there if we want it.
But we’re already there. It’s called a smartphone.
The value add of replacing a pocket watch or a cellphone with a device about the same size that also fits in your pocket but also gives you access to all the world’s information in seconds is immense. And that’s why the smartphone revolutionized the world.
The value add of having that information strapped to your face at all times is… just not worth the physical discomfort of having said device strapped to your face.
I say this as a VR user. A device strapped over your face really sucks and you can’t wait to take it off. The only reason to tolerate it is that that’s the only way to trick your senses into thinking you are somewhere else.
It would be ar glasses I’d think, not a headset with a strap. At least that would be my guess as to the end state.
I think they meant in the future when the form factor is the same as wearing glasses.
My glasses are on my face every minute of every day, except when showering and sleeping. I’m uncomfortable when they’re not there - and not just because I can’t see, but because I’m so used to it.
That’s probably the future - people being uncomfortable if a screen isn’t in their vision every waking moment, because it’s as physically comfortable and as “normal” as wearing glasses, and more comfortable than looking down at a phone.
It’d be an amazing feat for technology, but similarly as dystopian as having a social media-feeding PC in your pocket, or just any PC if you’re another generation older. Future people will eat it up though, just like we eat up the phones.
Now I’m imagining marketing where the old millennials are staring at their phones, and the young people are complaining about how grandpa never engages with other human beings or makes eye contact - but they’re still scrolling TikTok while talking to him.
If people can behave, I don’t care what they wear or what they watch
Did you not see the video of the guy wearing his new tim apple ski goggles, in his semi-self driving Tesla cyber truck?
What makes you think people can behave?
Those are fake, the apple vision pro bugs ten fuck out when it’s I a moving car, so they couldn’t have been using it. Its all for clout.
About 200,000 years of history proves that we cannot lol
I want you to imagine a subway car, where 50% of the people have these on their face.
They are waving their hands around, sometimes accidentally hitting other passengers because of it.
They are too distracted to even catch their stop, so there’s always extra chaos because of it.
Some are using apps that record what they are seeing and makes other passengers “naked” in their headset, which they share online. Privacy is a thing of the past because they can record what they see.
Imagine nobody being able to even have a conversation with other people, or make human connections with strangers, because the person across from them has a digital mask on, and you have no idea if they are even aware of what’s going on around them.
Sure, you can have a great number of people “behaving” in this scenario, but is this something you want society to become? I don’t. It deprives the human experience to an absurd extent.
I’m sorry, but do you just talk to strangers on the subway?
We already have smartphones that everyone is looking at anyway.
Before that we had newspapers.
You are making up an imaginary dystopia to peddle fear for no reason.
I’m sorry, but do you just talk to strangers on the subway?
I very often greet people, say polite things, perhaps engage in some light conversation with strangers. It’s quite human to have these social interactions.
We already have smartphones that everyone is looking at anyway.
Yes, which is already bad enough. Why make it worse by having them on our faces?
Before that we had newspapers.
True, but newspapers didn’t take people out of the environment they were in - it was simply an object within that environment in which people were still fully able to interact with the outside world uninhibited.
These headsets are designed to remove you from reality, while you are still in it. =
You are making up an imaginary dystopia to peddle fear for no reason.
Nah, I just see where corporate interests are trying to move society, and I’m concerned about the negative impacts it will have.
These headsets are designed to remove you from reality, while you are still in it. How does AR/MR do that? Phones are more about that than AR/MR. Or even newspapers, which very rarely are about the thing you are actively doing and can be used as a physical barrier to separate you from other people. Unlike a pair of glasses…
These headsets are designed to remove you from reality, while you are still in it.
Does Apple not know that human beings are not capable of multitasking?
You are either in the real world or you are in interacting in the virtual one. Even the visual distraction isn’t something that our brains handle all that well.
People kill enough people while driving simply because they can’t change a radio station while driving. Who expects an augmented reality system to suddenly be easier than that?
Old people usually strike a conversation.
Do we really want to live in a world where people are walking around with these things on their face, gesturing around like they are insane?
You’ve seen someone talk on radio earbuds when the phone’s in their pocket? It’s the second most creepy thing I’ve ever seen with a phone conversation.
I’ve had people looking at me while they are talking to people on concealed earbuds. It’s embarrassing if you respond to them as if they were actually talking to you. But how would you know who the hell they are talking to? 🤷♂️
I’m old enough to remember the advent of two of the most annoying pieces of electronics ever…
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The Bluetooth earpiece - which made everyone having a conversation look like they were either talking to themselves or possibly schizophrenic.
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Those god-awful push to talk walkie talkie type phones from mainly Nextel - which not only made you privy to the both parties conversation but had the freaking awfully loud and obnoxious beep in between switching parties talking. I wanted to strangle anyone using one in a restaurant.
I’m not sure that as a species we are capable of being present in the moment and not searching for that next hit of dopamine from a device with a screen. And Lord knows I’m as guilty as the next person.
I’ve had the Nextel beep as my SMS tone for almost 20 years now. Phone is usually on vibrate but the tone is there.
… I also have the “science is fun” song from Portal as my ringtone because it starts out with a noise that I can hear above the din and quickly gets really loud if I didn’t hear it. I had it as the Turret “hello?” sequence for a bit but that was super creepy.
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They bought themselves into a beta test/focus group. Apple still doesn’t know what this will be. It might be a Newton MessagePad. Or it might be the iPhone.
Apple is great at polishing and packaging things that already exist. The iPhone was a better Blackberry, the iPod a better MP3 player, the iMac a better all-in-one PC… I have a hard time thinking of stuff they truly pioneered. The Newton maybe? That did not end well for them.
If I had to bet, the Vision Pro will turn out to be a burnt pancake, but long term I have no doubt that something like it — something that augments reality one way or another — will become a thing. And in the meantime Apple has pockets more than deep enough to survive a failed Vision Pro.
The backlash against them trying to innovate is kind of dumb though. They aimed high for a change, and taking risks like this should be lauded not laughed at.
They are still failing, in 2024, to put touch capability into their computers. This isn’t a company that does innovativion well, and it hasn’t been for over 15 years. It’s totally fine to scoff at this attempt.
I really don’t see touchscreens on laptops to be something to judge a company’s innovation on. I work in communications and I can really only think of two coworkers that personally own touchscreen laptops.
I have zero interest in touch screen on my laptop. It is not standard on Windows and has yet to show any really benefits.
The problem is they didn’t aim high enough. AR/VR lives or dies on software. And for what they launched, it barely has the OS, and apparently that thing, although very polished UX wise, on security it’s a swiss cheese. And few people has the pockets to develop apps for it.
It’s 100% not anything like the original iPhone. Say what you will, it will never be that.
I just meant as successful. They’ve had several. The original iPod. The iPad. They’ve also had duds. The newton. The HomePod. The Pippin. Ping
There was quite a different reaction to the iPhone when it launched, so I’m pretty confident it’s not the latter.
They got a hololens, but like 8 years later, for the same price, and still just as useless.
try a thousand more than the horrorlens lol. Our hololens 1 and 2 devkits were $2400 iirc.
Wtf ever happened to hololens
Same thing that will happen to the Vision Pro. They stalled but eventually made a second version and had horrible production issues. After the second version was out a couple years they quit, laying off the whole team.
That’s really sad. Microsoft really should have been able to herald these into the mainstream. I guess they are just like Google now…
I was so excited when they announced that and showed Minecraft just hanging out in the living room.
I wouldn’t have used it long.
The technology wasn’t really there yet. The AR view was too small and the headset too big.
It was also just marketed to business, so other than it being the new fad it didn’t really take off.
Apple Vision Pro Owners Are Struggling to Figure Out What They Just Bought
Im struggling to figure out why Apple Vision Pro Owners threw out $3500 on a device without knowing what they can use it for
Apple puts out a product, Apple users buy the product. Nothing to figure out.
I just wonder how much Apple would make selling empty boxes and marketing them as such.
I’m sure that the iBox would turn out a fair profit.
Apple does have really nice boxes
They kinda do already; Apple sells a twisted piece of metal for $1k, and people buy it from them.
The new Apple Log®
“I love log!”
If Apple actually developed the technology in a sensible way, and that’s a big if, it could actually be a really interesting product.
Right now it’s a bit limited as essentially it is a very very expensive second display which only works with Apple devices.
If I had so much money that 3500 dollars didn’t matter to me, I’d have one.
From what I’ve seen on it, I’d play with it for a day and forget about it.
Maybe an hour. Seems like it’s pretty cool but there’s nothing on the headset worth buying the headset for, even at half the cost. Even at a third.
People walking around with them on is basically just their wait of saying “look at my butthole!”
Remember the Google Glassholes?
For a second on my mind I Imagined a butt dildo with a night vision camera at the top… I am not going to check if that exists.
Wait, are they ONLY wearing these? Because otherwise how are you seeing their butthole?
Yeah. It’s like the emperors new clothes. Only other “acceptable” humans with the same ecosystem buy-in can see their virtual clothes.
Everyone else needs to look at their buttholes.
You’re going to tell me they sold 3500$ goggles without the xray specs the first Quest units had accidentally?
If I’m going to drop a rent payment on some bulky Overwatch Tracer goggles then they sure as hell will do x-ray specs.
Wait what? Xray specs?
It gets displayed on a screen on the front of the device
I’d hope you’d know what you were spending this much money on if it wasn’t just for online attention.
The people who buy something like this (hopefully) have enough money where $3,500 doesn’t matter or are developers who want to get in early on something that might be big in a few versions.
Everyone else should avoid.
These are the early adopters phase. This always happens with high-end tech. I’m not sure how advanced this set is compared to the competition in order to justify that price.
Never seen anyone wearing them or promoting/showing it off
I’ve seen a few people making fun of it, and that’s the only reason I know it exists
The current model has it’s problems, but I really think this is the start of a new major product line for Apple. This isn’t going to be relegated to only the rich forever. There are a few problems to over come. It needs to be lighter, it needs to be cheaper, and it needs better battery life. All of those should be somewhat resolved in the next 10 years. When it does, I think the market will explode.
The big selling point? TV. I know over the last few years I have kind of fought with my mom because she is hurting her viewing experience for the sake of aesthetics. The TV is mounted, but has a cabinet in front of it. It is loaded with tons of seasonal decorations. The reason? She can’t stand the site of a cord. So instead, she has figures tall enough to cover part of the screen blocking the view of the TV, all so the cords can be hidden behind the figures. So yes, she loses part of the viewing area, and the remote doesn’t work unless you get up and go to the side of the TV so the IR sensor isn’t blocked, but it LOOKS better!!
The thing is, she isn’t alone. I bought a TV last year. During the time researching it, I would see similar opinions to my mom’s. Peopel would post pictures of their TV setup, asking if the size was OK, or if it should be higher, and the responses would be similar, telling the person to run cables through the wall, or get smaller stands or other complaints. It made me realize that many people care about those kind of things, and it will drive their purchase decisions.
All the Apple Vision Pro has to do is show them that you can have a TV, with no bezel, make it any size and position you want, you get rid of glare from the sun, and it has no visible cables. That alone is enough for people to want to buy it. It isn’t there today, but it will get there in the somewhat near future.
I really don’t see these $3500 VR goggles (or any other goggles) being widely—or hell, even narrowly—adopted as a TV replacement. There are frankly an exhausting number of reasons why not. For one, it would only make sense for those who exclusively use their TV alone. That rules out the vast majority of television owners right off the bat.
Given that most non-enthusiasts I know would consider 500 € to be way too expensive for a TV, prices will have to come down a lot for that use case. Especially for families where everyone would need one.
Apple is definitely no contender in that market; their prices would have to go down by 90-95 % to interest the mass market and they’re not interested in that kind of thin margin market segment.
Once there is enough demand, some Chinese or Thai OEM - maybe the same one that manufactures these for Apple or Samsung - will sell them for a couple hundred Euro.
The problem is that demand will have to be generated first – something HTC, Google, Microsoft, and Meta have failed at so far.
So far it seems that VR/AR is behaving somewhat similarly to 3DTV: Some enthusiasts are really into it and a market exists but most people aren’t excited enough to spend any extra money on it. They’ll have to find a way around that if they really want mass-market adoption.
The Quest is already pretty cheap. iPhones are not. The standard Vision will be half the price and people will buy it in droves with the right software.
I dunno. People said the same about 3DTV and that never took off even when more affordable models became available.
I don’t think VR/AR has a killer app so far. There are some neat things it can do but nothing that makes people chomp at the bit to get their hands hands on it.
VR gaming is nice but most gamers don’t consider it sufficiently better to a regular monitor to buy a VR rig. For screen replacement it gets worse because the constraints are even harder - smaller budgets, weaker host hardware, lower expectations that are already exceeded by traditional screens.
Apple might pull it off but they have one hell of a battle ahead of them.
I can’t argue with much of that, although I will dispute the 3DTV aspect, no one I knew gave a monkey’s about that and didn’t expect it to take off, mainly as we had experienced it in the cinema and saw little benefit. VR is a totally different kettle of fish in comparison, it reimagines interaction completely, and isn’t sitting in front of a static screen as per ‘3D’. HDTVs took off, then encouraged upgrades with 1080 and now 4K/HDR. Phones went from £30 to £1,000+.
VR makes Beat Saber a console seller (if I regard the Quest as one). Lack of controllers and games makes the Vision concept a difficult sell as it stands.
I find it to be fairly similar. Most people I know either don’t care about VR or bought/borrowed a rig and ended up not using it much. It’s typically seen as kinda nice but not nice enough to really bother with.
In terms of interactivity, most see VR as little better than the Kinect – and that didn’t exactly take the world by storm, robotics labs excluded.
I think most people are actually happy with their regular screens so it’s hard to sell them on something that does more.
Wasn’t Kinect the quickest selling item one Christmas?
It’s definitely a huge step up and sales are strong in gaming circles, wider adoption is going to need something else though, perhaps glasses-size headsets and long usability. I think those who do use it are impressed, at least those I know.
This article is idiotic. People know they are buying a first gen spatial computer. It’s not like you accidentally spend $3500
Many average consumers probably don’t specifically know what ‘spatial’ means, or what defines a computer vs a phone or whatever. People with too much money do spend 3500 carelessly, I have known a few of the types, and for the latest Apple technology I could see plenty of people buying it without even knowing what it really is.
They know what spatial computer means because they watched Apple’s short video that explains the product and how it augments your environment. If people with too much money buy one, why do you care? You care about all the other dumb shit they waste their money on too?
They can buy whatever they want haha I didn’t say I care, I was just saying the article title could be accurate, people spend money without knowing much about the purchase all the time.
