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There would still be a problem because while the USA have a big responsibility in the fight against climate change, they are far from the only country that needs to do something about it. It’s an us problem, not just a U.S. problem.
As the world’s financial powerhouse, the United States has both an outsized effect on climate change relative to our population, but also power to do something about it that extends far beyond our borders. Both treaties and commercial agreements can be used to lever other nations into responsible climate policies; we’ve been doing this with just about everything else for our entire existence. You ever wonder why weed is illegal everywhere in the world at about the same time? Or copyright laws that destroy the public domain? We did that. We could use that power for good, as well.
Of course, but a country with the means the US have should lead by example. They don’t have a “big” responsibility, they have the greatest.
It seems like most other developed countries have been taking it more seriously. We could have been part of that group
In developing world, think of all the energy projects since then, that could have leapfrogged the technology directly to renewables. Heck, the extra decade or two of “free” energy could well have altered their economies
The thing is this is China too. I do buy their point that in many ways they have still been a developing country, they still have had so much population to bring forward, so much progress to make, while also being the worlds manufacturer. And when they’re in, they’re all in. Yeah they’ve continued to build coal, and maybe the US being serious about climate change could have influenced that for the last few decades, but everyone needs to remember that while they continued to build coal, they also were taking the worlds biggest steps in Renewables. This could have happened earlier.
Bush appointed Roberts and Alito.
I wonder if Citizens United would have come about to cause such damage had Gore been able to appoint two different justices.
I know that’s not climate related, but it’s a pretty big deal result of the 2000 election shenanigans.
Citizens United and Voting Rights Act both. Even with Trump’s nominees we would currently have a 5-4 Liberal court.
We would still have Roe Vs. Wade.
Liberals would have “played it fair” and been all “across the isle” and appointed on “conservative” (reactionary corporatist) judge together with the corporatist judge they appoint.
Democrats could add more supreme court judges and run with that but they don’t want to. They can not just run on “not trump” and win.
Fyi I think it’s aisle.
Yet another fuck up by the Boomers. Interesting how it always come back to them being a piece of shit generation.
In 2000 they lost us the climate crisis, in 2016 they lost us women’s reproductive rights, and now in 24 they’re angling to lose us democracy itself all so they can feel morally superior to those of us that actually have to live the difference they can’t see.
Every 4 years is really a choice between conquest or making the economy go brrr.
The dems are definitely consistently better for the economy though.
If it makes you feel any better, they absolutely will live the difference if Trump wins. Even Trump 1 didn’t really make a life difference to most Lemmy-poster-demographic people until Covid hit; it was mostly vulnerable people inside or coming to the US. Trump 2 will hurt everyone, right away.
If only being told that were enough to finally get the idjits to pull their heads out of their asses.
Honestly, at least on Lemmy, I think a lot of the ass-headers are just a mixture of shills and edgelords. In what proportion, I have no idea.
The ratio of beliefs on the issue is very different among the people who are genuinely engaged with it, than among the people who quick post a punchy message or two and then scuttle away. There’s just a lot of people coming in for a moment to do the second activity; that’s the only thing that makes it seem like the opinion poll is as mixed as it looks like at first.
(I’ve been spending way too much time paying attention to this today.)
Lemmy is such a small market compared to others like reddit, twitter, and facebook. Two of them have gone full fox news. Reddit wants to but can’t afford to lose any users. The battle for social media is over and the fact that disrupters even make their way to lemmy shows how far their reach is.
Russia and other bad actors are dragging the USA off its throne and their doing it from the inside. The GOP are like fully hopped up junkies at this point and if we tried to remove the mainline of the propaganda feeding their dilusion they’d just as well claw your eyes out.
Just sucks no one in our government is willing to do anything about it.
Edit: If I had one guess it would be that lemmy exists to push a red scare caricature version of a communism that’s why you see all these communists with awful takes all the time. Some of them radicalized but mostly just bad actors trying to portray lemmy, one of the last hide outs for lefties, as radical communists.
Honestly doubt it. Money talks. Also the president doesn’t make the laws.
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There would also not have been an invasion of Iraq, things like Isis would have probably remained an unkicked hornet’s nest.
License to torture at will would not have been granted to government goons.The threat of hijacking airplanes and smashing them into iconic buildings would have been taken seriously. Which opens up the possibility that 9/11 could have been averted. Then maybe the mouth-breathers at TSA would not have been given the power to profile and harass at airports.
The list goes on: Katrina and New Orleans; the neutralizing of the Consumer Protection Bureau; the typically republican financial free-for-all that led to the collapse of Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac.
Then there are Supreme Court appointments, which we get to keep for life, like goddamned herpes.
But since so many ignorant and smug lazy assholes stayed home on Election Day bOtH pArTiEs ArE tHe SaMe LoL aMiRiTe, everybody got a succession of utterly preventable shit sandwiches.
I keep comparing Casablanca to New York City. One reason is that they’re both the biggest cities in their respective country without being the capital, and that they suck, but also because before 2001, they both had twin towers (the ones in Casablanca are still standing btw).
is so fucked up that the future of the world depends on one single country, and more exactly, one single person in that country
This is an extreme exaggeration. Supposing you could wave a magic wand and zero out all US emissions and waste beginning in the year 2000, we’d still be just as fucked due to China and India’s emissions. And guess what, neither of those nations give a fuck about sticking to climate treaties. China manipulates its stats on virtually every useful metric, and India has a position that they deserve to finish industrializing.
Centrist Democrats will always blame progressive discontent for their losses, even if their losses are caused by the Supreme Court undermining democracy itself.
Quit moving to the right, and we’ll quit pointing it out.
I was so disappointed as a Canadian to see Gore lose. That stolen election was stolen from all of us not just America.
Imagine how different the entire world would be now if Bush/Chaney had never happened.
Al Gore is fine, it’s Tipper I don’t care for.
america’s been fucking its education system in the ass (unconsentingly) since 1980, and now you’re a country of redneck morons, exactly per the plan you made. Good job!
“choices” when the Supreme Court stepped in and decided a winner
PFFFFFT Yeah OK. Al Gore is not the messiah, and “being aware” and acting on it are two very different things.
And being aware of a problem and flatly denying that it exists are also two very different things. OPs greater point holds; ‘both sides’ arguments are fallacies.
Horseshit
You all honestly deserve it. Even if I burn too.
What, are you a fucking alien that lives outside the earth?
I am someone who knows how you all act and am completely fed up with it.
You need to fucking grow up before it’s too late.
I am going to just leave the U.S. when the shit hits the fan. You are the only ones who are going to suffer. And even if I do, it won’t matter, because you brought this upon yourselves.
Good bye and good riddance, idiot
Don’t let the door hit you where the good lord split you.
