No I’m not catastrophising.
The world is slowly lurching towards a fully fascist led America, India, Hungary, Russia, Netherlands, Germany, Italy and Argentina.
Instead people are either ignorant or blaming “wokeism”* for their problems.
I have no clue what to do and this is literally a car crash in slow motion.
I’m despondent because I’m going to be crushed under the boot when the time comes and my morals get in the way of my survival instinct.
Humans are repeating the mistakes of the past. It’s just so anxiety inducing.
*Woke is a useless term promulgated by fascists to dog whistle the things they really want to hate - feminism, socialism, LGBTQIA+, immigration, brown/black people, equality and diversity.
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Anything I have learned from history classes is that this cycle of fascism/dictatorship and democracy has always been going on, people are dumb -> they choose fascists -> fascist gonna fasc -> ppl get fed up -> uprising/protests -> government overthrown after tons of bloodshed -> some sort of constitutional bind on rulers/elections -> some peace -> dumb ppl forget everything and chose fascists again -> repeat
The human race we have an insane ability to forget history
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You need history classes that cover more than the little fart of time known as the 20th century.
Well I only studied the history part which was mandatory in my school, so it was naturally not very in-depth or far back, only standard topics like the World wars, french and russian revolutions etc
I think you forgot the part where capitalism makes peoples life worse and worse, while at the same time conservative media blames the left for it, even if they are the cause.
Because in the End people dont vote for fascists because its funny, but because they believe they can get them out of a shitty situation (Fascism doesnt do that obviously, but people get blinded by propaganda).
We wouldnt have this issue today if politicians werent all neoliberal and actually cared about poor people.
I don’t know the politics of most of those places, but Russia and America definitely are not fascist. Oligarchy is not the same as fascism, though they are certainly good friends. America is no more fascist today than it was when our capitalists were helping out the Nazis. The government is not fascist, only our capitalists are pseudo fascist. The same is true in Russia.
We’ll see how it shakes out this year, but here are some positive thoughts…
2017 was the high watermark for facism’s popularity in the US. They couldn’t help themselves and went masks off in Charlottesville, and their movement has never recovered.
Facism’s rise is always reactionary to rising socialism. If the rural petite bougausie and the New York Times are pushing for facism then that’s because they are worried workers are gaining power and will come to take what they have. They’re worried we are getting organized and winning victories.
Conservatives are currently extremely demoralized. Go check out their boards and discords. I’ve never seen them this universally depressed. Then don’t think they can win and they aren’t excited at the prospect of trying only to fail.
Hmmmm I also frequent white supremacist sympathising discord and my general take away is that they are more desperate and more willing to take violent action to align reality with their views.
Of course this is only anecdotal so it’s kind of a moot point.
I’d be more confident in your opinion if there wasn’t a prevailing view that America will reelect Trump.
If trump isn’t elected it may not even stop fascism though.
Hitler was jailed before he rose to power, trump could very easily do the same. If I’m going to be optimistic about anything it’s the fact that Trump is very old and may not survive prison or the presidency for an extended period.
I live in a red state. The neighbors are practicing more with their rifles. But this state used to be blue and has always been 2nd amendment centered (but not always gun worship, just everyone had them for hunting or home defense), so should be interesting if someone actually commits. Jan 6 kind of tipped their hand on how much of a clusterfuck that would be.
Also, read about the “trial” of Hitler. The judge was sympathetic as hell. So far our judges tell Trump to stfu.
Isn’t your supreme court stacked to the hilt with Conservatives?
True but they were back before the election and those same conservatives he appointed told him to cram his election fraud narrative.
Plus it’s just in favor of conservatives, not stacked completely.
We’ll see. I’m not sure I fully believe all the polling. Trump has a real shot at winning but I’d give the advantage to Biden by a large margin.
I hope you’re correct. I just don’t fully believe it.
All we have to do is unite. There’s more of us than them. And we don’t even have to protest or leave our homes. They all bow down to the mighty dollar, all we have to do is plan not to buy from ‘company A’ unless they ‘insert world fixing demand that they’re currently doing the opposite of’ ’ knock them down one by one. We could even pool together a dollar or two each, that’s all we’d need if we got enough people together and buy ourselves our very own Politician!! We may even be able to buy them all back… That’s probably pipe dreams. We need to make Poole’s union.
We have never successfully done that. Nestle is still out there doing their stuff
May i present to you:
the antifacist handbook, free to download/read (in different formats like pdf/epub/html/plaintext):
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/mark-bray-antifa-the-antifascist-handbook
Thanks for this, reading now.
I’ve also been busy reading the history of the rise of the Nazi party particularly the SA.
It’s scary (scary is not a strong enough word for the combined emotions of frustration, anger, fear, anxiety) how close current USA events are replicating the original rise of Nazi Germany.
It’s happening in France too. Are the fascists roaming the streets to beat leftists and Arabs in your country too?
Are the fascists roaming the streets to beat leftists and Arabs in your country too?
Only in the east and rural areas. So far.
Even current German events are replicating the rise of Nazi Germany. But many people are too blind to see…
Yeah, it’s so sad. Before inflation and all the other shit, nobody cared about fascist, but now they’re like
“Oh hey, that are so easy solutions to my severe Problems, I don’t care if they discriminate a minority or a group of people. Let’s vote them!”
Just to realize that they would change nothing - they will make it worser - and install slowly but surely their fucking pervert dictatorship.
to my severe problems
You mean the problems the fascist just made up and actually aren’t a really problem
Slowly?
The word “fascist” has truly lost its meaning. Please stop using this word if you don’t understand the historical context behind it.
Downvoted, i think OP understands very well the historical context of the word.
My guy, Italian politicians literally publicly idolize the good ol’ days of Mussolini, and talk about Mussolini in a positive light, I think that’s worthy of the title fascist since they’re praising the guy who CREATED FASCISM. The current PM is just a fascist.
And Putin, Orbán, Modi, the AfD are incredibly undeniably fascist. Or at the very least Modi and Orbán are fascist-adjacent (Modi is a sort of Nazi but for Hindus instead of Germans).
I don’t know enough about Dutch politics/politicians to speak of it. But afaik they’re going down a similar path as Germany, Sweden, etc. but even more pronounced. Argentina I don’t know if the word “fascist” is accurate at all but the new president is certainly very far-right.
And in the US Republicans are descending towards fascism, they’ve already taken many of our rights and are in the process of taking more fundamental rights, the things the most popular Republicans publicly preach about and have like half the country’s support over is sickening. The only reason we’re not balls deep into stripping away the rights of anyone who doesn’t fit into the majority categories (christian, white, straight/cis, male) is because Democrats exist (even though elected Democrats just play the “moderate Republican” and are complicit in the current state of the country).
Which word would you employ to address those seeking power through the scapegoating and targeted discrimination of minorities and vulnerable populations?
“Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/ FASH-iz-əm) is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.” Wikipedia
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What do you mean by this? Are you talking about OP’s argument? I don’t get it.
Is that the tldr? I didn’t read it.
They are using not just the same rhetorical frames as the Nazis, they are often using the same exact phrases and propaganda techniques, just in social media. They are seeking/achieving autocratic rule. I don’t think they are winning the world on the whole, but they are growing stronger… They are fascist movements.
Fascism is on the rise. Ignoring it doesn’t make you look smarter.
I’m only 18 and I’m already so fucking tired of existing in this world, seems like everything is going downhill and I’m just gonna be forced to live in an authoritarian dictatorship world where all the air is full of toxins and the water is full of plastic
I hate thinking so negatively about the future but the more the world seems to crumble around me the more I feel like we might be one of the last generations of humans that got to experience civilisation for a long time.
The planet is dying, fascism is spreading, the tensions are rising, and everyone has nukes! woo! future!
On the positive side a world ravaged by nuclear war could solve both problems!
Yay.
*cough* Posadism *cough*
TIL. The Federation already exists. We just aren’t communist enough to get the immortality beam and reality bomb engine.
TIL. The Federation already exists.
Weelll except for the nuclear first-use policy.
Although all in all that’d sort of track, too
You forgot to mention end stage capitalism to further enrich the 1% and corporations.
that’s part of the “planet is dying” bit, since nobody who can do something about it is doing anything
Look on the bright side: it’s not as if this will continue forever. If our infrastructure is failing as deeply as it seems, society will reach a breaking point. The real question is where that point is and making sure you reach it. If it truly gets bad enough we’ll see the return of the guillotine, maybe even literally if we’re feeling spicy
The French Revolution wasn’t what pop-history suggests. It was a genocidal civil war that killed far more commoners than nobles. There was a point where they were killing so many people, the only way they could keep up was to drown them en masse by chaining them to a barge and sinking it.
If our infrastructure is failing as deeply as it seems, society will reach a breaking point.
My sector. It is worse than you think and I am scared of quitting.
Guillotines, gas chambers, executions, concentration camps is no good… Nor are genocides … and it’s all going on RN somewhere.
I don’t think that’s what he meant. As far as I understood his comment he meant using the guillotine in the French way.
However you’re right. It will get very bad before it gets good again.
Just do what you can. Don’t join the army and minimize your contribution to fascist government. Put your efforts locally where you can :)
This isn’t even a car crash brother it’s like watching 8 separate trains collide
nice username
My parents are in their 80’s and my wife is older than me and they are the only people who really matter to me. I don’t have other family.
When they go I will go too. I don’t see how I will be able to live on my own.
i believe in anarchy
organize
It’s really time to get organized before the cycle starts: I wasn’t a Jew so I minded my own business, I wasn’t a…
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By letting people live how they want to live as long as they aren’t raping people’s lives and making slaves.
That’s not really what Anarchy is, though. Anarchism is a web of structures like networks of Mutual Aid. It functions on gift economies and concepts like Direct Democracy.
Anarchism is a complex web of horizontal structures, not the absence of structure.
None of which exist currently and won’t be planned until after the overthrow of the system has resulted in another power grab and we end up in the same situation with a different hierarchy.
Stonks.
Seriously though, anarchy and whatever it means to you is purely theoretical in nature. “Anarchy is insert thing that’s never existed and OP can’t even explain in detail” is a useless statement, all you’re saying is it’s not what we have now and somehow it won’t have any kind of vertical elevation of humans above one another.
We can all create fantasy utopias in our heads and claim they are or aren’t whatever we want.
Nothing will ever change until this civilization collapses.
You can explain it, though. All I added was that it’s not just an absence of structure, if you want to learn more there’s lots of writings.
Nah, the world is doing fine, the US and Europe (edit: and their allies) are the ones collapsing.
If I got through the end of the world in 2012 I can get through this
Joke? Some people say that the Mayans were right and the world did end in 2012; it’s just that it takes a long time for a system this big to fully stop functioning
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That still doesn’t make sense. The world didn’t end in 2016. We are still here.
Nothing magical happened in 2016 that hasn’t been happening for the last 50 years. It’s a slow grind to the bottom.
You could argue that 2008 was the end of the world or 2001. Both events has led the economic strife you’re seeing today which is really what collapse looks like. Both those events supersede anything that happened in 2016.
If anything this is a self fulfilling prophecy and nothing to do with Mayans. It’s a silly argument to make.
Edit: the Mayan calendar ended 2012. Not 2016. I can’t remember anything special happening in 2012.
I wrote 2016; meant to write 2012. Ooops
Harambe died in 2016, marking the real end of the world
That’s is when things got extra fucked.
It’s not actually fascism, it’s modern feudalism. The push for a more totalitarian government in all of the countries you mention is being funded by the super rich who want the working class to stay firmly under their thumb. And the plebes who are voting for the oligarchic candidates are really just voting to become serfs to their new lords and masters.
Fascism is a violent protection of the Capitalist status-quo in which the bourgeoisie cements itself as the totalitarian rulers.
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Fascism is quite a bit more complicated than that. What I described is the function of fascism, as well as the material conditions that result in it. You’re describing the form.
Fascism is capitalism in decay. It’s governments run by the rich for the rich. It’s the crushing of labor unions and it’s choosing a scapegoat to blame the ills of your economy on. Fascism is exactly what we are seeing
