I love that ‘moon’ is written under ‘place.’
I just watched Life last night, and you know, this seems sensible.
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They knew that was extremely unlikely anything biological would have been brought back from the moon since they knew that the moon’s surface should be sterile. They just couldn’t prove it, so they had to take precautions.
True. I’m just salty about the inanity of that movie’s ending.
It’s a little cheesy, but I like Last Days on Mars for a similar topic.
Oh lord. I’ve now watched that and it was infuriatingly stupid. Thanks for the recommendation, though.
Sorry if I misled you. I like it as a horror movie and the Mars/spacecraft scenes as a backdrop look pretty good.
No worries. I’m always looking for suggestions on scifi to watch! I don’t regret watching it.
A friend-of-a-friend of mine took part in an international swimming event which involved swimming from one country to another, with a boat keeping pace in case anyone got in trouble.
He was swimming back to his home country, so he never bothered to get his passport stamped or anything, he just went home. The next time he interacted with passport control they got mad at him because his passport still showed him in the origin country of the swimming. He basically took the attitude “bro it’s not a big deal, relax, I’m here now, just stamp me” and they gave him a whole bunch of grief and then just adjusted his paperwork and sent him on his way, because what else can you do.
Then for the next year’s event he did it AGAIN, and the second time the passport people discovered the issue they were even more angry, and he still just kind of took the attitude “bro you don’t run me, I’m not malicious and IDGAF about your system, just stamp me and let me go to Italy or whatever.”
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Gotta make sure they weren’t smuggling any illegal aliens.
Not sure if this is what inspired OP, but I just learned the fact about astronauts going through customs yesterday, in a video posted by Channel 5 on YouTube. The context was that Andrew Callahan, who is a US citizen, tried crossing the Rio Grande with Coyotes for journalistic reasons, and he learned the hard way that there are NO exceptions to the rule requiring entering through customs. Not for journalists, and not for astronauts.
As unnecessary as this seems, you never know:
They could be illegal aliens…
You know, we should build a wall…
A Dyson Wall… and Proxima Centauri will pay for it!
Admit it. The reason for the “to be determined” was the lunar flying squid they found in his luggage.
You leave my father out of this!
I like how unnecessarily bureaucratic this is in terms of immigration.
Wouldn’t Michael Collins need a different form? His would need to say moon orbit not moon. I would expect bureaucrats to care about that.
If Earth orbit doesn’t count as leaving Earth, then Lunar orbit counts as being in Lunar territory.
He was in lunar “territorial waters,” so to speak, so it probably counts.
There’s also scans of their “travel re-imbursements” which has “Moon” as the destination
The most elephantine of Big Dick Energy
Illegal aliens have always been a concern.
Flight No.: APOLLO 11
So fucking badass.
Cargo: MOON ROCK AND MOON DUST SAMPLES.
Any other condition on board which may lead to the spread of disease: TO BE DETERMINED
Technically correct
They (well, Buzz Aldrin, at least) also filled out a travel expense voucher to get reimbursed for driving his personal car, including from his home to the air force base from which he flew to Florida, as well as around Cape Kennedy, during his “official travel.”
His official itinerary is more detailed than the one provided on the customs form (all dates are, of course, in July of 1969):
7-7 | LV: Residence | 0445 | POV(note: POV means “Privately Owned Vehicle.” Aldrin reported 8 miles for this leg of the journey and was reimbursed 56¢.)7-7 | AR: EAFB | 0500(note: EAFB is “Ellington Air Force Base” in Houston)7-7 | LV: EAFB | 0530 | Gov. Air7-7 | AR: Cape Kennedy, Fla. | 08007-16 | LV: Cape Kennedy, Fla. | 0832 | Gov. Spacecraft(note: Saturn V serial number SA-506, of course)7-19 | AR: Moon | 13257-21 | LV: Moon | 2400 | Gov. Spacecraft(note: transfer from NASA LM-5 Eagle to NASA CSM-107 Columbia not listed)7-24 | AR: Pacific Ocean | 0600(note: at 13°19′N 169°9′W in the North Pacific, about 920 miles or 1480 km from Honolulu)7-24 | LV: Pacific Ocean | 0800 | USN Hornett(note: Aldrin misspelled the name of the US navy aircraft carrier Hornet here.)7-26 | AR: Hawaii | 0900(note: Pearl Harbor, to be specific)7-26 | LV: Hawaii | 1200 | USAF Plane(note: the particular plane was a C-141B Starlifter designated 66-7958 USAF, which I cannot find a name for.)7-27 | AR: EAFB | 01007-27 | LV: EAFB | 0215 | Gov. Veh.(note: the Gov. Veh. in question was the Mobile Quarantine Facility (MQF), a converted Airstream trailer. They would stay in the MQF for three weeks. Actually, they boarded the MQF on the Hornet ; it was then loaded into 66-7958 in Hawaii and unloaded in Houston.)7-27 | AR: LRL | 0300(note: LRL is the Lunar Receiving Laboratory, building 37 at Johnson Space Center in Houston.)A notation beneath this itinerary reads “
Government meals and quarters furnished for all the above dates.”Aldrin also reported 100 miles of “official vicinity travel” at Cape Kennedy for the nine days between his arrival and departure, for which he was reimbursed $10. Another note reads “
POV authorized for official vicinity travel at Cape Kennedy, Fla. in leiu(sic)of rental car.” I can’t find any information about what POV this is; he left his personal vehicle in Houston when he flew on a government plane to Florida, so perhaps he owned two cars?There are three handwritten notes beneath that which I cannot read but claim $8.00 and $19.25, as well as $4.50 of charges that he subtracts from the total; these three are listed in the “subsistence” column. The grand total claimed on this voucher are $33.31 ($279.17 in 2024 dollars), and it was approved by someone named “C.W. Bird.”
3 days in box that’s 4 by 11 meters with 2 other dudes.
Yep. 4, actually; I guess they had two NASA volunteers in there with them.
My mother-in-law is ex-army and she takes advantage of every single deal and loophole she can find. I don’t blame her and I don’t blame Buzz. I especially don’t blame Buzz. He put his life on the line to go to the fucking moon. Reimburse him for whatever the hell he wants.
Not to mention, the guy spent three weeks cooped up in an Airstream trailer with nothing to do but eat steaks and drink whiskey. I’d guess that it’s not impossible he did this itinerary to stave off boredom one day.
You say that like it’s a bad thing.
I mean, a couple days, sure. Even a week. But after three weeks with only the same four other people (the two other astronauts + two NASA employees) and never being allowed to leave, when you went to the MOON and were allowed to go stretch your legs a few days in? It would get pretty old.
And then there’s the trip back…
Oh, absolutely. And tbh, $280 is nothing to sneeze at. I would definitely report that kind of money, even if I had just been to the moon. Maybe especially if I had.
That’s probably a thing I would do just because it’s funny.
Honestly that sounds like Aldrin.
It sounds like a harmless prank on the astronauts that everyone pretended to take really seriously.
At least I hope the astronauts didn’t know beforehand, and I hope they got a kick out of it.
I don’t know that it was a prank, just typical bureaucracy. They left the borders of the U.S., meaning they have to legally be allowed back in. The real question is why they decided that wasn’t necessary for splashdowns in international waters for spaceflights that didn’t go to the moon.
Probably because the craft that were just in orbit could be considered “in flight” for their entire duration.
Aircraft in flight are considered under the jurisdiction of the country they took off from. So if the spacecraft started in Florida, landed in international waters, and was recovered by a US vehicle, then the astronauts never technically left the jurisdiction of the United States.
But because Apollo 11 did land somewhere, it could be argued they ended the first flight and began a second one when they took off. Due to this, they had left US jurisdiction as they landed and left the vehicle. This means they left the country, and need to go through immigration.
It’s also a piece of the official paper trail that helps to prove to other nations that the US did land on the moon, and that placing the flag in the moon was symbolic and not an attempt to annex the moon. If Apollo 11 had claimed the moon as US territory, then they wouldn’t have needed to fill out immigration papers.
Not all of them landed, and the section they returned to earth in never landed either.
This is all about the novelty.
That does all make sense. Especially the part about showing the world (especially the USSR) that the moon was not part of the U.S.
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Cape Kennedy-Moon-Honolulu.
“You know you could have take a more direct route to Honolulu, right?”
“We took the scenic route.”
See this is what life was like before Google maps. You never knew which route was the fastest
implying with Google Maps you’d know
Right before gmaps, you had mapquest. You had to print out your route on paper. Read while driving, and if there was any deviance in the route like construstion, fuck you.
Highway signage was critical. If you were traveling, you could tell which states sucked by them not having any signs pointing you back to the highway.
you could tell which states sucked by them not having any signs pointing you back to the highway.
“Oh no you don’t! We’re not showing you how to get out of here! You’re part of OUR tax base now!”
Back then, everything was done through a travel agent and they often got kickbacks if you took certain routes. No doubt some agents got a bonus for routing them so circuitously.
Up voting for word usage.
We’re gonna have to make the Moon’s name more specific if we ever survive long enough to colonize other planets. It’s like if Earth’s name were Planet.
“Earth” literally just means “the dirt under your feet”.
But most of us don’t identify our location so broadly. We say what state or country we’re in, and identify culturally that way. I imagine that won’t change when there are people living on the Moon. They’ll identify by the name of the base or settlement they live in.
It might be called Luna.
That also just means “moon,” so no help there. Earth might as well be named “Planeta.”
It’s already named after ground.
Which isn’t the same thing as a planet.
And “Luna” isn’t the same thing as “moon”.
Well, it is actually.
In Italian “Luna” means moon (any celestial object). Likewise, “Terra” means “Earth”.
I think Gaia, Greek Titan of Nature, would be a good fit for Earth’s name tbf
According to Wikipedia, Gaia’s already an alternative name for the Earth. Also, Selene for the Moon and Helios for the Sun.
Yes, it is, in multiple languages.
Humans already named objects within the solar system after Latin words and names. Earth would be called Terra, meaning “earth” or “land”. Many sci-fi stories did this already lol. Luna is already reserved to Earth’s Moon. The other “moons” in the solar system already have their names from Latin like Europa or Ganymede.
ALL HAIL HOLY TERRA!
It’s kind of funny how “Terra” and “Earth” are all synonymous with “Dirt”. I wonder if every intelligent life form does this. If we eventually meet up with aliens, are we all going to be like: ‘Yes, this is “Dirt”, our beloved home planet.’
Yes, but none of the others are named after exactly what they are. The Earth has a lot of earth on it, yes, but it’s a planet, not a clump of earth. Using a non-English word for “moon” and assuming it’s sufficient would be pretty lame and very English-centric.
We already call satellites orbiting a planet “moon”, as in Europa is a moon of Jupiter. Or Phobos is a moon of Mars. But right now when we say moon, it usually means our moon.
You’re right that in the future we would have to use a generic term for all extraterrestrial objects once we start colonising space. Which is why I think in the future, “moon” will become the catch-all term for the non-Earth moon, while we will call our own as Luna instead.
Then what will Spanish speakers call it?
My guess is we’ll go the laziest route possible and “Earth’s Moon” will be its formal English name.
Spanish speakers can call it Moon
I’m pretty sure Luna, Terra and Sol are all poetic names that used in works of fiction but aren’t used by actual organizations.
Other moon names like you listed are the scientific names, recognized and used by institutions like NASA.
Problem is that Luna means moon (a planet’s satellite) in romance languages like Spanish. If we’re giving proper toponyms for the earth’s satellite itself and its subdivisions, we should try and avoid generic names like Luna .
Then Lua!
It’s also moon in Portuguese.
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Just means “moon.”
There’s another name for it already, Selene.
I thought it was Luna?
Luna is Latin for the moon
Selene is Greek for the goddess and personification of the moon
“The Moon” is it’s actual name these days but either of those options is a fair pick given their oldness
I mean, yeah, many celestial bodies take their names from Latin. Like how the proper name of the sun is Sol, which matches solar, the lunar object would be called Luna. Selene feels like a retronym to match other Greek deities, and would be like renaming Earth to Gaia
either of those options is a fair pick given their oldness
Luna would definitely rank over Selene in the Western astronomical tradition. As you say, its name is just The Moon, which is what Luna means in many current day Latin derived languages
renaming the Earth, or the Moon
I’d be totally up with renaming out Tierra and Luna to something that is not eurocentric. Would be a nice change of pace against how much of immediate astronomy is caught up in remixes of Greek and Latin.
It’s only Eurocentric in the Western tradition, and even then the names of many stars come from Arabic.
would be like renaming Earth to Gaia
hell yeah, I’d be on board with that
Sure, but at that point we could rename it anything.
That might be a good choice!
Idk if it is necessery, we already named moons like “europe”
Mün
That’s taken. It’s the larger of Kerbin’s two moons.
We gotta rename Earth to Kerbin anyways. I mean, there are gotta be more planets that are made from earth.
