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Fairphone’s latest repairable device is for people who hate saying goodbye to an old smartphone more than they like buying a new one.
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Headphone jack?
According to the article, nope. Same as the Fairphone 4.
Yeah I’m aware, that’s why I said that.
It would be badass if they could add a headphone jack through OTA updates.
The phone is great and things can be replaced easily. My only issue with the phone is it’s price. It’s quite high compared to phones with similar specs.
It’s because they try to ethically source as much of the phone as possible, and go out of their way to pay fair wages and ensure no forced labour is used in the supply chain.
Unfortunately that adds significant cost.
They only harvest from sustainable phone forests. 👍
Unfortunately that adds significant cost.
That’s not unfortunate, that’s logical. Unfortunately, other companies are allowed to exploit humans and the environment for more profit despite lower prices.
Well yeah, I mean unfortunate as in it’s unfortunate it makes it a harder buy. I’m not pissed off that it’s more ethically produced.
It’s amazing when you realize that modern civilization as we know it depends on numerous layers of slavery, child labor, and general worker exploitation.
Also don’t forget the “externalized” costs of massive and irreversible environmental damage!
Yeah I feel all it takes is 5% of mankind to have evil / selfish intentions, to corrupt the system
Yea that’s what happens if the company at least tries to make it repairable and not made by exploited people.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
There are those who are happy to be in the market for a new device, who delight in discovering how phones have improved since they last upgraded and who can’t wait to reap the benefits of better low-light camera performance, a prettier display, and more premium build quality.
They’re the people who respond with despair when they’re told that their phone has reached the end of its software support period or that it’s no longer cost-effective to repair a seemingly minor hardware fault.
But now the phone comes equipped with technological advancements such as a modern OLED display with a high refresh rate, more robust waterproofing, and a higher-capacity battery.
To that end, there are actually more individually accessible modules this time around, which is nice if you, say, only need to replace one rear camera that’s broken or swap out a faulty SIM card tray.
That’s better than the IP54 rating of the Fairphone 4 (which was still resilient enough for me to use throughout an exceptionally rainy hike), but it still falls short of allowing you to fully immerse the device in water like you can do with an IP68-rated phone.
In low light, the phone produces superficially nice shots, but peer a little closer, and it looks like this is the work of aggressive processing, with a lot of fine detail smoothed out and colors artificially boosted.
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No headphone jack means fairphone now encourage Bluetooth earbuds and electronic waste.
They’re dead to me.
what phone do you use?
A Nokia.
5 years of security updates. Cheap. Repairability commitment.
Headphone Jack Dual SIM
Very good camera.
I still don’t get this level of rage. I just have a USB C adapter on the end of my ear buds, problem solved, one less physical port to have to replace as I keep my phones until they’re dead dead.
I guess you could argue you need an extra cable on you to plug direct into a HiFi system, but I cant even remember the last time that was something I’d want to do.
Aldo in the case of a repairable phone and having replaced the USB on this fp4, I struggle to see where they would have fit an extra daughterboard for a 3.5mm jack to make it repairable
Yeah, the rage seems to usually stem from two misunderstandings:
- It forces you to use Bluetooth headphones.
- A 3.5mm jack is cheap and trivial to build into a phone, so there’s little or no reason to not include it.
You already pointed out why neither of those are legitimate reasons. For 1 you just need a simple dongle, not new headphones. For 2, because the Fairphone is modular and repairable, it’s not just the 3.5mm jack but also a custom replaceable daughterboard they’d have to develop and keep in stock.
Not having a 3.5mm jack is a minor inconvenience at most, I don’t get the rage either.
Dont get me wrong, Im pissed about the removal of the headphone jack too. But its not really their fault, or to be more precise: its complicated This guys explains it quite well
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EAogtqyN22M&pp=ygUYZmFpcnBob25lIGhlYWRwaG9uZSBqYWNr
Making a modular phone is complicated.
If they can’t deal with complicated things they should shut up shop and get out of the way so someone genuinely ethical can take their market share.
To be clear, if they only failed to produce a phone with a headphone jack I’d be happy to just not buy it.
The fact they went on to produce electronic trash in making Bluetooth earbuds means it’s clear they’ve reached the enshittification point They are just out to make money from their user base now like every other manufacturer.
It must be really hard living in a black and white world, huh?
Man I watched that whole video, it has nothing to do with the headphone jack. It’s about how fairphone releases repair schematics. The title is clickbait, he still says “the removal of the headphone jack is still bullshit and I stand by that, but they sure do release schematics which is nice”.
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Thanks, now let me buy expensive components specifically for the phone
Why are you posting an article from september 2023?
Nokia has decent phones dirt cheap that you can repair yourself, and you can buy spare parts cheap too, and it runs completely vanilla Android, with good multi year upgrade policy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh-7sMEDxyw
My wife has her eye on a Nokia G42, and it has both Micro SD slot and minijack. So you can use a 1TB MicroSD and laugh all the way to the bank at those who bought an S24 Ultra with 128GB 😂 🤪 😆 😜 😋
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Sadly, Nokia doesn’t support custom ROMs. But apart from that, they’re great.
S24U comes with 256GB, not 128
Yes you are right, I just remembered it was small for the price, especially considering it does NOT have micro-SD.
At this point I don’t even know what vanilla android looks like lol. I kinda want to get a Nokia
Yeah. Buy Nokia.
Let’s also support European companies over Chinese ones.
Except Nokia isn’t European anymore since Microsoft ruined them and sold the brand to the Chinese company HMD Global. You’re welcome.
I thought hmd was based in Finland?
Yeah that guy is full of shit, their HQ is in Espoo, I’ve been there.
Not only is HMD Global not Chinese, they’re actually the same Finnish company that people think of as “Nokia”. Nokia do a lot more than just phones and they sold their mobile phone arm to Microsoft, who then spun it off as it’s own company called HMD who licensed the Nokia name.
If you want to buy from a European brand, HMD/Nokia are worth considering.
Well, shit…you’re right. I messed up. I was pretty sure HMD is Chinese. Sorry for the drama, I felt very frustrated with Nokia since the downfall of Lumia. I’ll consider it, but looking forward to get the shiftphone 8 when released atm.
You are wrong. HMD is a Finnish company, not Chinese. Apparently it is largely made up of former Nokia employees.
If you’re going to be a smart-arse and say things like “you’re welcome”, maybe you should check the facts first.
they started manufacturing a specific model in the EU, though much more expensive.
Its mediocre camera is a deal breaker for me. Camera is the most important phone feature to me
For me the price is the biggest limiting factor, that and it doesn’t work around here anyway. it has almost Flagship level price for just a little bit better specs than your everyday $300 phone that you can buy off the shelf.
I’m on my 5th year with my Oneplus 6.
I suspect I’d I do a full wipe, a new OS and a fresh battery I should be able to keep it going for a couple more.
Phones plateaued for me. It runs fast. It holds more then enough data.
Camera is a little slow. I’ve been told to stop using the default camera app. But then the double click to open won’t work.
This is exactly what I did on my OP7 (only 4 years old). A new battery, a new USB port and a new back (thank you OnePlus for the back in glass).
I installed another ROM… And the only drawback on that “brand new” phone is that the camera is slow and not as good than the stock one ( even with Gcam or others derivative).
Same, running a xiaomi mi 6 since early 2018 with LineageOS and it’s still perfect for me. Sure, new phones have better cameras and screen but the difference is not that noticeable. I’m using a google camera app so that improves the pictures significantly so that compensates for my needs
Yep, Oneplus 5 with 6 years in use here.
Battery time is a little shorter but still enough for a whole day of intensive use.
Phone cameras have gotten better in the last years for sure but if I really want to make good pictures I use a DSLR.
I’m going on 4ish years with a OnePlus 9, and the battery is starting to shit out so bad
I’m in the market for a phone and love this idea, but 8x digital zoom without optical zoom options in 2024 is a non-starter for me.
The FairPhone 4 had a screen brightness bug that made the phone (mostly) unusable outside in the sun that lasted from Feb 2023 to Oct 2023.
Since the Android 12 update, the FP4 has a cooling feature that reduces the maximum brightness even when the slider is all the way to the right.
This occurs when the phone heats up to ~40 degrees at the CPU, which is not a lot at all.
https://forum.fairphone.com/t/random-screen-dimming-while-brightness-slider-stays-at-100-after-a12-update/93195They will have to work very hard to make me consider buying my next phone from them.
They do seem to listen to their users and learn from their mistakes though - FP4 was often criticized for the short firmware support offered from Qualcomm. FP5 will have Qualcomm’s extended firmware support for its SoC.
https://www.fairphone.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Press_release_Fairphone_5.pdfFairphone 4 running lineageos, have never had this happen :/
Yeah, running custom roms means you wouldn’t have been affected.
Fair enough, thankfully a software issue then ^^
for people who hate saying goodbye to an old smartphone
laughs in Fairphone 3
That title sounds like what you’d say running a Kickstarter scam… yeah sure its not good yet but if enough people keep preordering our not complete product eventually it will be good.
Yeah, but given that this is the fair phone 5, they at least get partial credit in my book
The Framework laptop seems to be doing well. Makes sense that if no one buys it it will fail. That’s just how business works. I just hope enough people are fed up with current popular business practices to make these mainstream too.
Fuck them for removing the headphone jack, it makes no sense at all
i carry an emergemcy audio adpater ony keychain now, thanks fairphone.
also, two of the 4 audio adapters i have are starting to break down, forcing me to buy new ones. real sustainable you guys
and yes, the one fairphone sells is one of the broken ones.
They have literally an explanation for this on their website. You might disagree, but saying “it makes no sense”…makes no sense.
Also, they discontinued the earbuds and still no jack on FP5, so the idea that “they wanted to sell their own buds” doesn’t seem to be likely.
I’m surprised they discontinued their buds. Thank you for pointing that out.
They’re still selling a 250 Euro Bluetooth headset with the phone as a option
It makes no sense to me, their whole deal is sustainability, by removing the headphone jack it forces me to buy Bluetooth headphones that all have batteries in them and are presumably not up to Fairphone standards of sustainability.
And saying we’re just following market trends sounds like a shitty explanation to me. I have the 3, I’ll use it for as long as it works but after that no Fairphone for me.
USB-C earbuds exist. No one is “forcing” you to do anything.
- can’t charge the phone when the USB port is in use
- can’t use the aux input of any external devices
- can’t use the headphones with anything else
- shitty experience as someone else here mentioned
- …
I like my Pixel 7 Pro but its also my first phone without a headphone jack and I hate it. Bluetooth is such a shitty standard and the USB dongles suck ass too. Why the fuck did they have to get rid of something so simple and practical…
Which is still having to buy a second set of earbuds/headphones when there’s no need for it. Or buy a separate dongle (a major pain in the ass over time).
This is not “sustainability” friendly design.
Headphone jacks also exist, so I won’t be buying this phone.
Having tried to use USB-C earbuds… the experience is lacking. Once they are plugged in there is a 2-5s lag for when the headphones start working. 30% of the time they don’t work, having to unplug and plug them in to try again. Some apps won’t use them at all if the headphones are not plugged in before you start a call (google voice).
Even if you got them working, they stick out of the bottom of the phone, so propping up the phone on a desk for a video call is now super awkward.
It’s a poor echo of the experience of physically wired RTTP headphones.
Never had those problems. Worked for me better than the AUX port actually, since no metal spring got damaged over time like in most of my previous phones.
The dongle works just like AUX earphones worked
Even after switching to a wireless headset (because the previous ones all broke at the wire), I would rather not use a device with no headphone jack. My headset has a very long battery life and can apparently have its battery changed fairly easily (big enough to be held together by screws). But neither of this can be said about earbuds, so my earbuds are staying wired.
Our starting point for design is longevity, which means making our devices more repairable, a very different approach to the electronics industry standard. To support maximum longevity and because of the IP rating, Fairphone 4 does not feature a headphone jack. In the end, it comes down to how we make a product that lasts for at least five years. We needed to eliminate as many vulnerabilities as possible, and the headphone jack is subject to dust and water ingress over time.
Again, you might disagree, you might know better, I don’t know. But this is their motivation when it comes to longevity and hence sustainability. To me, it seems a reasonable idea: if the jack helps reducing the consumption of batteries in headphones but decreases the lifespan of the phones, it seems a bad tradeoff.
I have the 4 and haven’t missed it once 🤷
That seems to be most people, but for me it’s a deal breaker.
Good for you.
It makes perfect sense. They wanted to sell their own branded ear buds.
punish them by not buying their phone
I see so many be “angry” at them and yet they still buy the phone
I’m not buying it, I have a Fairphone 3 and I’ll use it for as long as it works
So “Occasionally sluggish performance” now at launch? Surely it won’t be much better 5 years from now
