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Free speech might only be able to achieve online, and make sure you remain ANONYMOUS
That used to be true, but if you use a word that Corpos feel “damaging to their brand”, you’re kicked off before you can say “But I…”
Kind of like how when Elon Musk “Brought free speech back to twitter” he immediately banned anyone who made fin of him.
Every conservative accusation is a confession.
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Since 2020, we’ve seen hundreds of “anti-CRT” and “Don’t Say Gay” bills; thousands of book bans; efforts to defund libraries; campaigns to silence faculty, erode academic freedom, and gut university independence; laws that disenfranchise voters, criminalize protest, outlaw reproductive freedom, and seek to erase trans kids; the Jim Crow-styled expulsions of Black officials; a potential pardon for a convicted murderer because he killed a #BLM protester; and organized threats and harassment targeting DEI officials.
What? No. The authoritarian right and left are all about free speech when out of power and all about clamping down on it when they are in power. Both are the same. Both are nasty and authoritarian.
Are the Antifa in the room as we speak?
Duh
Always has been
Also, water is wet.
And before someone says water isn’t wet: cohesion
Always has been though??
No fucking shit
I’m glad this was in politics. Because it’s certainly not news
- Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion, please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
Wow. The updoinks… Such quality discourse and amazing insight!
How is this entire sub not considered a giant circle tug?
You’re right that it wasn’t a very high quality post, but with this topic, what else is there to say? Conservatives have been pretending they’re free speech warriors while at the same time very publicly banning books. It’s so obvious that there isn’t really anything to discuss.
Ribbit
Yeah. It’s only the conservatives doing it.
https://crosscut.com/news/2022/01/kill-mockingbird-hot-seat-wa-school-district
How about we let parents choose the schools and literature that their children read. No no no. Can’t do that. That would be fascist!
Removing a book from the curriculum and removing it from the school (and possibly public libraries) entirely are very, very different. Republicans are doing the latter.
I took a look at the “conservatives banning books” link and it says thousands of books have been banned and/or removed from libraries.
I took a look at your link, and it describes the process by which one book was removed from the required reading list, but was still allowed to be used in class.
It makes me think of the “we are not the same” meme.
Yes, let’s also let parents decide what medicine they get instead of doctors. And decide when their kids should be able to drive, not the government.
I mean why let educated professionals get in the way?
Yes, let’s also let parents decide what medicine they get instead of doctors.
As a matter of fact, yes. As a parent, I have the responsibility to choose what medicines to allow my children to receive.
And decide when their kids should be able to drive, not the government.
Yep. If my 17 year old is too irresponsible to drive, I can choose to not let him.
Parents have the right to withhold anything they deem to be harmful to their children.
Yeah cool, you decide what your property gets to do since you’re responsible for them. Government, nor your doctor shall stop you from telling your creation what is right or wrong, if you eat paint for breakfast because eating plants and animals is evil/poison, thats your right as a free man on the land. Best to start early too, so they dont have the faculties to question it later on.
It’s not like there are bad actors and tens of thousands of ai gemerated fake news to sway popular opinion with branding and politics. And its totally a boon for a society when we can isolate ourselves in thought bubbles and share as few values as united people as possible. Really helps us maintain our financial security and opportunities for quality of life, standards for education and licensing for professionals responsible for life altering decisions. Its not like devaluing those professional opinions im mass will lead to bad things; what do they evem know, they didnt even study at Facebook UNIV?The idea and value of freedom is great, but there are thresholds that cross into ignorant arrogance that causes individual and systemic harm. I know gov can’t solve this, but i fully believe it has a role to play in helping set standards that reduce harm, even for your kids.
So if you decide you don’t want a medicine for your child because you think it causes cancer, even if it doesn’t, then you should be allowed to prevent him from taking it? Even if it kills him? No. No, that is a horrible idea.
And you think that you should control when your kid should drive too. Great, now irresponsible parents can ask 12 year olds to drive to the store for them? Endangering everyone around them? Another horrible idea.
Yes you can withhold things. But you don’t have absolute say. They are a person. If your choices would cause them harm, such as an improper education or not getting needed medication, then it’s the governments job to step in and protect that child.
“Improper education”. There is the crux of it. Your definition of improper may not be the same as mine. You think that you should be able to force other people’s children to be taught what you want them to be taught, according to your political and/or moral standards, through the force of government.
I want parents to be able to decide for their own children how they are taught. I think parents of a child know better how to raise that child than a government bureaucrat.
Tell me again how I’m the Nazi.
u/Muchtall seems like as good as any to block.
Yes. Block the guy that doesn’t agree with me. Seems reasonable.
Because the post articulated what the majority of us already knew. That as always has been, the repression in this country comes from the conservatives. The very definition of a liberal philosophy would be against a threat to free speech. When conservatives complain their rights are being trampled on, it’s normally their “right” to harm some group or person that they do not like. A liberal wouldn’t say you aren’t allowed to have a negative view of such person, but may consider it flawed, but wouldn’t say you have a right to harm that person because you don’t like them. Conservatives want to control what you can say, think, and do, to only what fits in a world that makes them comfortable, and feel better about themselves.
Please note that it is not only a US-specific issue. Right has especially in its extreme lengths always been somewhat oppressive and as the right has become more right (again) (also read as in more fascist) in recent years oppressive policies they support are getting more and more oppressive.
I don’t understand. You’re saying the conclusion is so obvious that the article is worthless and redundant?
You’re saying the conclusion is so obvious that the article is worthless and redundant?
I’m saying that. But also, it doesn’t hurt to keep talking about it for those who haven’t yet realized what’s going on.
Thank God you’re here! I was starting to quote Marx and feelyself turning trans, but you woke me up!
Wait, no, come back! You dropped your gender!!
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Hey look everyone, this guy is cool
Found the Trump supporter
C’mon, might just be gullible and uneducated.
Yes, in other words, a Trump supporter.
So, the ones Trump said would vote for him? He loves the uneducated and gullible!
They’ll ban books and then whine that they’re being oppressed when people point out that they’re scared of ideas.
Take note that this is an engaging title. I’d like to see more political science discussion in this community. These opinion pieces are part not a good part of the internet. They’re made for sharing and being consumed on social media.
One does not need to invoke or debate political theory to understand the end game of Conservatives and Republicans. It’s part of their ethos, and it’s well defined.
As a centrist, let me tell you the truth - a threat to free speech is coming from both far ends of political spectrum.
lol
Who was it that suppressed Hunter Biden story or asked for “antivaxxer” doctors to be shut down on FB/Twitter?
Sure, you will find some kind of excuses for the above, but the unbiased fact is that both sides engage in silencing of free speech according to their political agenda.
As a centrist
suppressed Hunter Biden story
“antivaxxer”
lmao
I know, it’s ridiculous for people to simultaneously agree and disagree with things said on both sides of political spectrum. I should work on one party unanimity, my bad.
By the way… While you’re laughing your ass of, Hunter Biden story (no matter what you think of it) wasn’t supressed on all social media?
While you’re laughing your ass of, Hunter Biden story (no matter what you think of it) wasn’t supressed on all social media?
That must be why nobody’s heard of it!
Yes, story broke out eventually, but it was silenced on social media when it broke because of political orders - a fact. I don’t know why saying that automatically makes people wince in horror. Both sides of political spectrum engage in silencing free speech when needed.
You do realize that most people here are on some kind of social media?
You can keep saying that the story was silenced, but I’ve heard about it non-stop for years because the right has been pushing the story hard.
So… definitely not a fact. Your echo chamber is not reality.
Who’s literally burning books that were removed from schools?
I know. That’s why I wrote “but the unbiased fact is that both sides engage in silencing of free speech according to their political agenda.”
I know. That’s why I wrote “but the unbiased fact is that both sides engage in silencing of free speech according to their political agenda.”
Post got duplicated… Right wingers do. And who was deplatforming people during covid on social networks?
Deplatformed for what reason, exactly?
I know. That’s why I wrote “but the unbiased fact is that both sides engage in silencing of free speech according to their political agenda.”
Would love to see these left wing examples of it
Deplatforming during covid is one.
Is the freedom of association counted under your definition of free speech?
If a private entity doesn’t want to host your content they are exercising their right to choose who they associate with…
Yes, a private company can choose what content they allow. But to add to my argument, social media companies didn’t ban that story on their own decision, it was after intelligence agencies acted towards them. (Sorry, English is my second language)
Not if they are brigaded into “exercising that right”
As a centrist
Hahahaha, good one.
I know, right! You can’t be a centrist if you adopt any right wing politics, that’s just a disguised MAGA nutjob.
No, I completely agree. I’m center left and see a lot of this coming from the left too. I was surprised to see all the agreement that it’s only from the ‘right’, it is totally both, without question.
More people should adopt deeper models of politics, like six or nine axis models because that’s how you really get at the features that drive censorship and limiting free speech.
Completely agree. Thank you.
Duh.
