I’ve recently come to the conclusion Biden shouldn’t run again. There’s no two ways about it. Guy is too old. (Trump is too, but maggats won’t care.)
If Biden left after one term, he would be remembered as a great president. If he loses to Trump, he will be that senile asshole who helped to destroy US democracy because he couldn’t see what everyone else could.
There’s plenty of younger Democrats. Any one of them could campaign circles around Trump.
Unfortunately, he decided to run whether or not we think he “should”. What are we supposed to do? We had better vote and not let apathy get the best of us.
There’s still time for him to change his mind though. Everyone is pretending this is all set in stone. This fatalism is so weird.
There’s technically still time, but many states have had primary elections already. We have no other way to give our voices to the selection process, so if the party chooses a new candidate now it would be quite undemocratic.
Eat shit Fetterman.
Folks talking shit isn’t news.
If the criticism only comes up now, it’s not real criticism. It’s astro-turfing for Trump. We’ve had 4 years of Biden but the amount of Biden criticism I’ve seen lately has risen sharply. Sure, criticize the things he’s done lately, but I’ve seen stuff from years ago.
There’s no point in that unless you’re trying to tank his chances against Trump.
Progressives who would rather primary a nobody who will absolutely fail to get non-progressive votes and lose to Trump are unhinged or failed gradeschool civics. It’s just stupidity or worse: Trump propaganda.
Sounds like every other genocide-happy centrist.
Backstabbing lib says lib shit. More at 7.
Ahhh, the land of the free and the home of the brave, where you’re not allowed to mock your elected leader without hurting someone else’s feelings.
Funny how demanding unquestioned loyalty is a MAGA cultist quality.
I’m still on the fence about whether I can stomach knowing that I voted for the genocidal monster that can barely remember his name because he’s better than the fascist genocidal monster that wants to end whatever semblance of democracy we might have. This country is just the worst.
But he’s the lesser of two evils! Doesn’t that get you motivated to get to the polls on November? Lesser!
It really should.
And yet, it doesn’t. It’s incredibly easy to not choose either, believe it or not.
Literally every single US president since 1948 has assisted Israel in committing genocide against Palestinians. Don’t clutch your pearls now.
“That’s the way we’ve always done it” - people who like the way we’ve always done it.
Genocide must stop.
It could be worse. We could have a dictator that regulates literally everything we do. My porn is anonymous for now.
You’d prefer to have voted for Trump?
These kinds of comments are getting obvious. You’re string here bitching about Biden, when we can all agree the alternative would be worse.
Go peddle your bullshit elsewhere.
It’s unfortunately nothing new, but I do think the alternative is a new level of bad.
WOULD YOU RATHER eat a chocolate bar off a public toilet seats lid.
OR WOULD YOU RATHER Eat a chocolate bar out of a public toilet bowl.
Lol wtf you can literally choose neither??
This is the guy (whom I proudly voted for) who was getting defensive because people didn’t think he was as progressive as they were led to believe. The people criticizing Biden and Fetterman are typically liberals and progressives, not MAGA.
I think Joe Biden is grossly under-appreciated for what he’s accomplished thus far. He’s legit incredible (imo). He’s also old as shit and I reject the idea that he’s the only American citizen capable of running the country as well as he has for three years. Dude, take the W and GTFO.
Any progressives who actually pay attention to what the government is doing and not just Republican propaganda are probably also supporting Biden.
He’s not been perfect. I wish he was younger, and i have criticisms on a lot of middle east foreign policy including Israel, but on the whole he’s been by far the most progressive president in my lifetime.
You can support someone while criticizing them.
I don’t think Joe Biden is underappreciated, it’s just that the main issue is of Gaza War, and people just don’t like how Israel conduct their war campaign and how US responded. No one reasonable would support Hamas, and any people with a moral compass would rather support a war campaign that minimizes deaths of civilians over those who signed up for combat.
But the reality check is that Gaza isn’t the main issue, it’s just the most recent one. And even if it were the GOP would handle it far worse than Biden has.
I’m saying the Gaza war is why Biden has the level of support that he has today, and I’m aware that GOP would have handled it far worse. Without the issue of Gaza, I can see Biden having significantly more support than he has now.
That’s a good point but most people care more about the economy and his approval ratings were shit before Gaza.
“How dare you criticize our glorious leader”
- Fetterman, probably
Fetterman is great on domestic policy, but he’s a shit hawk on foreign policy.
not great on the environment.
While voting for Biden is the right thing to do in these circumstances, Fetterman has zero understanding of optics and apparently the oil companies got to him judging by his pro-Israel stance.
There are other choices. We don’t have to settle for Trump or Biden.
Come to me with your plan to convince 160 million people to vote 3rd party and then I’ll take this seriously.
Better yet, they should come to us with the plan that’s going to make ANY of the Democrats or Republicans work with a 3rd party president to allow them to get anything done. Even if some insane miracle occurred, and a 3rd party candidate got elected president, they would accomplish absolutely nothing, as it is not in the political interest of either Democrats or Republicans to work with them. In spite of what Trump would like people to believe, presidents are not dictators and can’t just do whatever the hell they want. All of the people endlessly screaming about how there are more choices simply refuse to accept this fact.
Is your plan to vote based on how everyone else votes? Seems like a great way to reinforce a two party system.
Sounds like you’re ok with Trump winning then.
That’s what you’re gonna get, unless you think the Republicans are going to infight like this (non-spoiler-because-duh, they aren’t)
My plan is to pick a check box without the name Biden or Trump, or maybe write someone in. Being institutionalized into thinking a vote for anyone other than Biden is a vote for Trump is a pathway to madness
But that’s how FPTP works. Any one less vote for Biden is by default an extra vote for Trump. Unless of course, you’re not an immigrant, woman, transgender, gay, or any other minority. Then of course, Trump being in office means nothing to you so you do you. The rest of us have to suffer the consequences of having the country’s judicial, legislative, and executive branches stacked with Christian cripto-fascists hell bent on sending us back to the middle ages. Sorry the Revolution isn’t radical enough with Biden I guess.
This might be an instance where a good portion of the country might actually agree that the two major party candidates are jackasses. I remain hopeful.
There is literally no other reasonable option than Biden, thanks to FPTP. Voting for Trump is voting for a fascist, every other “option” is throwing your vote away.
There is literally no other reasonable option than Biden
Biden is not a reasonable option. Biden is merely the least horrifically unreasonable. The Democratic Party’s ambitions extend no further and never will.
They used to, and they can again. A party is not a person or even a group of people. Let that silly anthropomorphism go. A party is a tool, a lever of power. Don’t like the people who control it? Great! Neither do I. Let’s take it from them.
Ask Jessica Cisneros what happens when you try.
The party fights progressives and capitulates to Republicans.
The people who control the party fight progressives and capitulate to Republicans. Of course the people who control the party are going to fight us to keep control of it. It remains the only viable tool to win in general elections. Blaming “the party” is like being on a losing football team and blaming the ball.
The people who control the party fight progressives and capitulate to Republicans. Of course the people who control the party are going to fight us to keep control of it. It remains the only viable tool to win in general elections. Blaming “the party” is like being on a losing football team and blaming the ball.
“The party” is shorthand for those who control it.
Well, you sir are a free thinker. Claim your prize in the ruins of democracy.
Ahh, yes, isee. You’re just as delusional as my mother.
We kinda do though. Sure you can vote for someone else if you want, but we are going to end up with either Trump or Biden.
That’s what they’d like you to think. If everyone moved a few check boxes down on the ballot, we’d have anyone else. Break free! It feels good 😊
https://intersol.ca/news/organizational-culture-and-the-5-monkeys-experiment/
(This never actually happened but I think the idea holds)
It “feels good” but it doesn’t work. The math isn’t there. If you can’t nominate a better candidate in a Democratic primary, with a significantly smaller and further-left voter base, you aren’t even in the game for the general election. Do you want to feel good, or have an impact?
There are more than two parties – math checks out
what plan does anyone have to make one of these other choices viable? bonus points if it doesn’t involve trying to overhaul both the electorate and the electoral system in 9 months.
I’m just voting 3rd party or write in and telling moderates they can either start compromising with leftists and progressives or lose to fascists a second time.
Moderates aren’t losing much. They’re not the type to care about leftists losing or rightists losing.
Plenty of moderates express serious concern about Trump winning.
As a member of one of the vulnerable groups targeted by those fascists I want to thank you for using my family’s safety as a bargaining tool. We’re happy to be sacrificed to your protest vote which will accomplish nothing.
The moderates are doing that. They elevated Trump intentionally because they thought it would make it easier to win elections. Where is your anger towards them?
i’m pissed as fuck but my anger is irrelevant, this is a matter of my survival and your privileged attempt to “punish” the moderates is putting me in immediate danger.
Have you put any energy into telling moderates they need to wake the fuck up? Did you tell anyone they were an asshole for voting for Biden in the 2020 primaries?
He’s not wrong, he’s just an asshole.
Listen, Coach Fetterman: We love your size and bombastic past but “if you aren’t for us you are against us” is not the type of faux populism that is needed in 2024.
Yes it is. Don’t want to vote for Biden because you’re not so happy with him? How about Trump? Would you rather Trump?
Here we are again in a forced choice, as if democracy exists in the US. But it’s Biden or fascism.
You’re not going to make that outcome more likely by berating people.
We’re past the point of coddling people into seeing that Trump = bad. Lives will literally be at stake. We all need some sobering perspective about the reality of a 2nd Trump administration.
Let me be more clear: Berating people is not just ineffective, but sabotages the outreach done by people who are actually focused on winning. No one actually working on voter outreach or political persuasion wants you doing that.
Calling out Trump’s ills is fine and good, but berating people to vote doesn’t work, it’s just something to make yourself feel good. If that’s actually all you’re trying to accomplish, fine, message boards can be stress relief and entertainment, but don’t fool yourself into thinking you’re working to avert a Trump return.
