Cant upgrade to 11, since my motherboard is too old. So reap what you sow, perhaps ?
Your motherboard? Does windows 11 care about that?. I thought it mostly cared about CPU.
Yep but in my case my motherboard is from 2013 that uses cpu sockets that haven’t been produced anymore
Can’t upgrade to 11…
…cause I purposely fucked with the TPM in bios
So according to the official page on Hotpatching (without any trackers like in the article), this reminds me of kpatch. I guess Microsoft really wants to spend the effort of making that work. Isn’t kpatch not really supported (without $$$) by many larger distros since it’s prone to break easily?
I found more info: Microsoft SQL Server Engine already does hot patching and I guess the same way will be used in other MS apps: https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/Azure-SQL-Database/Hot-Patching-SQL-Server-Engine-in-Azure-SQL-Database/ba-p/849700
Isn’t the concept of kernel live-patching just “wait until the kernel’s not using that module, and slip in anupdatesd version”
I don’t know about Windows, on Linux it’s at the function level, and some cases are tricky.
So they are going back to the way Linux does it since forever?
Why not just go image based? Instant reboots and even faster updates.
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So in other words yet another thing that Linux already had for the past 20 years? Go on like this and in 50 years Microsoft might actually have a capable operating system.
Dump windows, Install Linux, stop paying Microsoft money for badly designed crap that will spy on you.
Haven’t everyone install linux yet?
I used to want this, but the latest updates of windows have all been so buggy. I’d prefer to not have this shit happen in mid usage. They once fucked up the search by accident and it was disrupting enough to my workflow until I found ways to disable the search being a default web search.
It looks like it’s just security updates, not feature updates. So I would take this as a win. If a 0-day is discovered, being able to update systems to fix it without a restart is fantastic. I know plenty of people who avoid restarting their computer if they see the update icon in their system tray. If we are talking security, these people could be leaving themselves vulnerable for days/weeks. Being able to push security patches without restarts is a big win.
Who cares? It’s not exactly traumatizing to reboot your computer.
You’ve clearly not had an update trigger when you were trying to present something, join a meeting, or simply do a quick restart after installing a program and get hit with a 10min “updating windows; do not shut off”
It shouldn’t do it automatically. It shouldn’t update during a presentation at all.
I’ve had to create GP edits to prevent it from happening because it most certainly does.
Even then MS is fantastic at throwing up MFA reauthentication mid meeting or forgetting to throw it up at all and leaving you shadow logged into Outlook/Teams where it will appear functional from your side, but you will it receive anything until you close and reopen the apps.
They’ve had these issues for years and never prioritize fixing them.
It is for me.
I find having to boot into windows traumatizing regardless
This was the pipe dream for many many years now. Not the first time MS is talking about it either.
It’s a thing in the Linux world and it’s just too costly to support and therefore most user facing distros outright don’t support it.
Orlly?
I’ve been using Linux desktop for a good 20 years now. All debian based distros (loads of them) do, all redhead based ones do, and those two together likely comprise the majority of distros.
I can’t remember the last time I rebooted my desktop (or servers, for what it matters) beyond a power outage in the office
Do you have kernel live patching enabled?
Your updates both do not apply kernel updates but also aren’t applying in general unless you are restarting all apps, services, and sessions. Basically just reboot.
Only servers administrated well do online updates correctly.
Microsoft have done this previously and shelved it because their method had enormous security issues.
I don’t see this going well for them.
Isn’t it possible they could learn from their mistakes? Just playing devil’s advocate here.
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It seems like Microsoft is going through a real phase of “I made this” and they’re adding all these features that were core to Linux since damn near Linux’s inception.
Multiple desktop instances, sudo (which isn’t the same sudo…), and now trying to mimic the rebootless update.
Embrace, Extend, Extinguish when?
Embrace, Extend, Extinguish when?
What do you think WSL is trying to be?
Um… they’re an OS adding more OS features. Get over yourself, EEE is a real thing but holy fuck stop it.
(WSL is concerning EEE-wise, literally nothing else you listed is a valid complaint)
Didn’t they say the same when they were developing windows 10? I don’t believe it’s gonna happen.
Even if Windows does this, trust me, if you have any Razer products, Razer will fill in the gaps for them.
That shit restarts my Windows machine nearly every fucking day.
I love that the Razer installer pops up during windows intital setup. Seriously, chill out Razer, I don’t want to sign in to you while I’m bypassing the Microsoft forced sign in.
It looks like you changed the position of your mouse cursor. Would you like to reboot to apply these changes?
This is an odd comment. I use a Razer keyboard and mouse and I’ve never experienced this. What products are you using?
Edit: Thi said, I HATE how Razer and Nvidia make you sign in to update things. Like, REALLY hate that. They even force two factor on us. Like… Why the fuck do I care about account security for either of those?
You can update Razer by signing in as Guest and not actually logging in. I think it is the same with Nvidia. They just eant you to think you need to log in.
I didn’t looking it that much, but while “continue as guest” is a prominent option in Razer Synapse, I was unable to get GeForce Experience to let me install updates without signing in.
It’s whatever though, you can install and update to relatively recent Nvidia drivers with the CUDA winget package. Now that I think about it, around 95% of my Windows software is installed through winget these days. I’m a big fan.
I run a main box that I still dual-boot between Linux and Windows, and the rest of my boxes are Linux. I’m definitely skeptical of Microsoft’s drive in adding these tools other than to try to unseat Linux dominance in server settings, but for real, some of the stuff they’ve been adding is pretty tits, like winget for example.
I don’t think there are malicious intentions behind winget. Aside from the fact that it’s objectively useless for server configuration, Windows Server lost to Linux in terms of performance per dollar a long time ago. The target use case for winget seems to have been spinning up new employee PCs, but I’m not confident that it would be wise to use it for that.
It’s also shockingly simple for a package manager. Nearly all of the “packages” simply download the software’s installer from the official website and silently execute it. You can see (and add to) all of the package configs here. It’s literally a GitHub monorepo lmao
Edit: here is the one for Steam, for example. The whole thing is 63 lines of yaml.
Had a movie stop playing the other week (I use my PC as a Jellyfin server and watch on a Nvidia Shield in another room). I thought something had crashed, but when I went upstairs to check, it had realised nobody was watching it and fucking rebooted.
Linux. Bsd. Etc.
Living room PC is also used for playing VR games (since living room has the space required). Sadly Windows is the only option.
Pure curiosity, I don’t own VR gear, does the Linux steam version not have VR?
Steam itself does support VR on Linux, but most of the actual hardware (like Meta headsets) don’t have drivers for Linux. The ones that do (Valve Index) are buggy, but not unusable. But even then it doesn’t get you far, because 90% of VR games won’t run on Linux, even with Proton.
So Steam is not the problem. Hardware support and developer support is the problem. Can’t really blame developers for not caring, even if they make their VR game work on Linux almost no one would be able to play it anyway, so why bother. It won’t get anywhere unless hardware manufactures start making actual drivers for their headsets on Linux. Meta practically controls the market and they don’t care, so here we are.
A Steamlink app was added to the Meta store recently. It supposedly allows playing streamed desktop VR. I have been meaning to try it with Steam on my Linux desktop, so I can’t really vouch for it yet, it could just not work. And who knows if Proton works for any specific VR games.
you should probably use a different operating system if you use it as a server
It’s really not a good idea to have a home server you don’t update, assuming it’s accessible outside your network.
Windows updates suck, but they can be delayed to only take place every 6-8 weeks.
that wasn’t what I was saying
They are probably using their main desktop as their jellyfin server.
If it was only used as a server, then I would. But it isn’t, so I don’t.
I use a Manjaro box to game on. And video edit with davinci resolve. And so everything else that I do. Truenas for my NAS.
Or use Windows server. It would never do shit like that.
Alternatively you could just not postpone updates for weeks.
Just update your computers and this will never happen.
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My Windows98SE box isn’t getting updates anymore.
Do you have a fix for that?
Can’t tell if you’re trolling or actually that stupid.
- Event viewer does exactly what the label says, let’s you view things. In this case, logs.
- Is your computer on, we won’t even touch the fact that’s 100% connected to a network, then it’s vulnerable.
Let’s assuming you’re just trolling though.
I actually meant Group Policy Editor. Sometimes I make mistakes like that. I will not dive into how precisely I made the mistake.
Coming to your second point, of course it is vulnerable, but I meant it in a practical sense. I am not here to waste time debating, so I am leaving it at that.
So in other words the
HI WE ARE GETTING THINGS READY FOR YOU
Screen can just pop whever it wants for 20 minutes at a time without warning? Yay…
I don’t think those words describe what the intended behavior is, no. I think it’s supposed to be seamless and not really too noticeable. That’s the impression I got from the article anyway.
I know people don’t want to hear it anymore because it’s beating a dead horse, but… Linux.
Honestly not being able to move the start bar and being told it won’t be changed because their awful new start menu needs it that way was a dealbreaker. Been running Linux Mint exclusively on my desktop for the past few months and it’s been pretty smooth, even for playing games. Thank goodness for Proton!
Yup. Been using Linux as my primary desktop for years, I think I switched back to windows 2012-2015 or something, then I came back ever since. More and more games are using tools that are cross platform now too - like unity for example. I only imagine compatibility getting better. The installation experience has been better since live CDs were a thing too which is hilarious since windows still has a terrible install UI.
I’ve been using both OSs for over 20 years and the ONLY reason I use windows is for CAD (just 2d). All the foss options have potential but are very poor options for a longtime autocad user. Wine implementation is currently broken/terrible. VM is sorta a fallback option but doesn’t run as fast as a native windows machine.
I plan on switching to Librecad or something similar but it’s like a 10/20 year plan and something tells me I’ll have to develop the features I want myself.
I took it to mean ittk update things in the back round like Linux can which is nice.
