Are there studies into whether we’d spend one day doing nothing in a 4 day work week?
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This really only applies to office/clerical type gigs. I can tell you that the service sector never gets to rest
I know what you mean. I spent 10 years as a chef. But i dont fully agree.
Sure, some weeks you would work 6 or 7 days, but others only 4. And when you did work 6 or 7 you often only work a morning or an evening. If i was doing 4 days i would work 3 afd’s (all fucking day) and then one morning or evening. Sometimes your days off were split up so you get a few little breaks throughout the week.
If im working evenings i get my whole morning and afternoon to do what i want when i feel my most fresh and energetic. If i work mornings i get all afternoon and evening to do what i want. If im working afd’s i get an extra day off to to what i want. Plus early week, monday, tuesday, wednesday was always less busy so you could be cleaned up and out of the kitchen by close (10pm) and alot of the shift could be spent in prep, cleaning, organising and having a laugh with the other chefs and smoking. Lots of smoking.
I work in an office now and i realise that the two are completely different beasts.
My 9 to 5 leaves me with zero energy mentally which affects me physically by making me not want to do anything with my evenings knowing i need to be up early so in bed early. I get my weekends but i spend them doing housework or something else responsible :(
Both job types could benefit from a 4 day work week. We need time to recharge and relax. We are just humans.
Edit: just to add. Life as a chef was hard. Lack of social life, working crazy hours. Bad diet and no discernable sleeping pattern.
Like i said above. They are different but equally exhasting.
I think it’s really important to acknowledge the way an office job can completely destroy your day just due to mental exhaustion, boredom and lack of purpose (or a combination of 3). Thanks for your comment because that was an interesting perspective for someone who only ever worked “office jobs”.
The fact that you are sit in front of a computer doesn’t mean that when you are finished you have all your energy left to do what you want, because even if you are not physically tired, if you are exhausted mentally, all you want to do is being passively entertained.
We could argue at length which job is worse or more tiring, etc. Or we could simply agree on the general principle that everyone should have more time to do what we like.
I honestly thought I had a somewhat unique problem with this. I didn’t realize it was the norm for people to feel this way at the end of the day.
I’m with you 100%
This idea that working in front of a computer is easy is wrong and is a quote straight from boomer dads
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Who cares? If you wanna do nothing on your day off it’s none of the rest of societies fucking business. Why are we so cucked by this system man?
If you really want to know, might I suggest: http://portalmounta.in
Hey look a boot kicker defending a garbage system. Good work!
How am I defending the system? My comment was pretty much “this system sucks”
I feel like this is something that everyone already knew but we had to do a study to prove it
People have known it since at least 1999 when Office Space was released. If you’re not slacking off at work, especially if you’re salaried, you’re being exploited even more than usual.
What would you say… you do here?
Alright, but that- that’s the last straw.
Friday?
Probably Monday, since that day has the highest suicide rate.
Some of you got me wanting to watch OfficeSpace for the first time in years.
Damn it feels good to be a gangster.
How is this a surprise? The detachment people have from the reality “on the ground” is infuriating. Try working a job you hate for shit pay for 71% of your entire fucking week and then just bounce into a weekend (assuming you even get two days off in a row) with all the energy to “do stuff”.
ffs. Assholes.
I’ve put my foot down on Tuesday/Wednesday as my weekend. the past year I’d be lucky to get 2 in a row.
This gives me a functional 4 day week but if I get rostered on Sunday I’m perfectly happy with that kind of money.
I’m glad for you!! That’s great. I’m fortunate as well. I work 4 days (10 hours) so I typically have three days off and my boss usually gives me at least two in a row.
Even with that, I still often burn one day off just recovering. This oligarchy late stage capitalism is bullshit.
I almost feel like this is basically Fridays at my place of work. Since it’s not formalized that means I don’t have to worry about anyone looking to adjust my salary or PTO or whatever corporate america would do to validate the savings of a 4 day work week. Selfishly I like where it’s at, but I do think overall the 4 day work week would benefit us all as long as pay doesn’t decrease
Pfft. One
I barely spend a workweek doing a day’s worth of work, let alone 4.
“This reply was sent during work hours.”
Hehe
Right?! Those are some rookie numbers
“Those are rookie numbers! You gotta pump these numbers up!”
Rookie numbers
we spend one doing basically nothing
Browsing Lemmy is not doing nothing. I’m , um, keeping my head in tune with the global marketplace and honing my remote interpersonal skillset. Yeah, that’s what it is.
I’m just looking at cats.
Office Space knew this all the way back in 1999.
I’d say in a given week I probably only do about fifteen minutes of real, actual, work
Wow 15 minutes of work for 40 hours of pay. That’s truly inspiring and impressive. 😌👌
They knew this in the 70’s along with ubi. Milton Friedman is an asshole.
My dream is a 4day/20hour week with 30 days paid leave and a monthly UBI along with free healthcare and free education and universities.
People would struggle so much less this way.
The craziest thing is that economically and resource wise, it’s perfectly doable.
I’ll be happy to do a 4-day week, but don’t you dare take away my fucking around and not doing anything at work time!
You think corporations in the US won’t put a twist on it? I can see them making it a 4 10s week. They just hate people and want them to suffer as much as possible.
Pardon, I think that’s pronounced “Increase value for shareholders.”
>.>
Edit: was supposed to be funny… it’s not
It’s funny and sad
I vastly prefer 4 10s over 5 8s. It’s a whole damn day saved!
Yeah, I don’t see 4 days work weeks to continually be “no fuck around time” I see it as maybe improved performance for a few months but eventually people go back to “Fuck around” or “coffee runs” or everything that is counted.
This has been known for decades (probably as long as the 5 day work week has been a thing)
And this is “fine”. Because not everyone has the same slack day. Hell, at my current job, me and a buddy outright acknowledge this and he takes the brunt on Fridays when I am just done with everything and I do Mondays when he is usually distracted with whatever his kids told him they need last minute.
Same with meetings. Some weeks, the ONLY thing I do on a wednesday is go to a few meetings. Or maybe me and someone else set a friday lunch meeting because that is the only time we both have a chance, and so forth.
For people who have “real jobs” where they actually work hard (so retail, construction, etc): You tend to not get the “easy” day for the most part. You are busting your ass and being overworked all week long.
For office workers and the like? I think there should be a lot of thought put in. Someone doing data entry might not need to be there all five days. Someone who is doing more design/planning role… we already end up working closer to 6. And efforts toward “flex time” and just general “We don’t care when you are ‘at work’ so long as you are available for meetings and get stuff done” go a long way toward that. Because, for example: I busted my ass for what amounts to a 20 hour shift yesterday getting stuff working for a customer. Today? I am basically checking my email but made it clear that even that is “I might not answer”. And I’ll probably take a few afternoons off next week to even it out.
But, with the shit world we live in: that would map to people who “don’t have to work all 5 days” getting paid 20% less. So pretending you are busy on a Friday afternoon is probably still the better option.