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jokes on them, i actually played gta and witcher early titles at least on this list. if baldurs gate is included, i at least played the dark alliance spinoff
I played The Witcher 1 over ten years ago.
Great story and even better ideas about consequences, but even then it was a rough gameplay experience.
It makes more sense when you realise it was originally going to be a PC port of Baldur’s Gate: Dark Alliance, but it leads to this awkward mix of gameplay styles that are hard to grasp at first. There’s really not much to the combat other than clicking when the icon glows and moving.
The hardest fight in the game is a dog very early on, which you can cheese by stunning it with Aard (RNG based iirc) and landing a one hit finisher, but the fact that there’s an unskippable lengthy cutscene right before it is absolutely obnoxious. And fighting something two levels above you is a death sentence, leading to a bit of exploring to get enough XP to be able to do everything.
nice this just triggered the Warcraft 2 music in my head
Also, boats! I was very disappointed when Warcraft 3 removed the boat warfare. I thoroughly enjoyed that.
Warcraft 2 is the only one I’ve played.
I wanted to play 3, but first my computer was too old, then it was too new, then blizzard destroyed it.
I grew up with a shareware version of Warcraft 1. I bought Warcraft 2 from a garage sale, turned out to be a burned cd with a home printed label but it worked and I played the crap out of it. Warcraft 3 though…is on another level entirely. Hands down the best game of my life. I played Warcraft 3 with some consistency for like 14 years straight. What blizzard did to it with “reforged” is a fucking disgrace and completely unforgivable.
Unpopular opinion: the psp port of Persona 1 has my favorite song from Shoji Meguro, he did a fantastic job.
Also I’m pretty sure Far Cry 2 has a very vocal fanbase, it’s very much loved.
Lone prayer is probably the best song in the entire series tbh. At the very least it’s the most underrated.
For me it’s https://youtu.be/hrcuIHp4rH0
fallout 1, and fallout 2 are amazing games. yes it helps to use the new community engines for modern computers, but its hard to find that level of narrative engagement in any modern games. (fallout new vegas is also excellent)
I maintain that Witcher 1 and 2 are better story rpgs than 3.
Witcher 3 is a beautiful game with lots of strengths, but balance and pacing are completely lost to the open world dynamic.
The Witcher 1 is incredibly painful to play, though. I played through it, but it felt incredibly unbalanced at times and just wasn’t as well designed as the sequels.
I do get that. I played through them in order a few years ago but I’m also an older guy who doesn’t mind old janky games as much.
I actually had to take a couple of months off between 2 and 3 because it was such a jarring transition.
Yeah. 2 had the window dressing of open world, but was very much not. I did kinda miss the way traps worked in 2. I would have very much like them to be in 3, but the bombs do work better for the faster kind of combat they developed in 3. TW2 combat felt more technical, like fencing, and TW3 feels like Royal Rumble but with swords.
Balance and pacing? I found that Witcher 1 had no pacing
Yeah I was going to post the same. The games themselves were awesome stories, and half the fun was replaying the game and trying to get overpowered as quick as possible, or do a dumb character run or a charismatic pacifist run or whatever.
But yeah, the engine is so janky that I can understand modern gamers being put off.
First GTA slapped.
GOURANGA!!!
Dnd can be in this meme twice
Well “far cry fans” are wrong. Far cry 2 is probably the last mildly risky game Ubisoft ever produced and was way ahead of its time in a lot of aspects.
Yeach as far as climate goes it was great. The only unfortunate choice were the endlesly respawning guardpost (?) not sure about the name. But it was a massively ubfortunate point. It really made the game go from very good to throwing your controler in rage very fast.
Respectfully disagree. It’s the captured roadblocks that turn the late game of other far cry games boring. FC2 was constantly dangerous. Arriving at a mission start point was an adventure. You had the option to Leroy Jenkins into the roadblocks, beat a wide path around them, take the bus, or 30 other things in between.
That’s why the later games make unlocked bases into fast travel points, because once defeated, there is no point in revisiting anything.
You know what, when I played it I really hated these respawning roadblocks because I thought they were immersion breaking and “annoying”, but thinking about it, most of my better memories about random gunfights were around these roadblocks, so I agree with you, especially the late game thing.
True, the hardest difficulties were actually very fun, but the respawning checkpoints kinda ruined them
Also far cry 1 was a completely different game and a decent shooter (for 2004). Definitely worth playing for the history.
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Thank you. It’s crazy to see how much detail was lost when the franchise turned into Ubisoup
I dono how you can start at 2… not playing FC, the original is a travesty.
To be fair the original might as well be a diffrent game. More simialr to crisis than today far cry whereas far cry 2 is basicaly the modern far cry with one incredibly stupid decision ruining the game thats probably fixed by some mods.
Which is the stupid decision. The malaria or the guns falling apart every fifth bullet they fire? I like the idea of both, but they’re far too fast with too few ways to deal with them.
Thats fair, i like the crysis style better, which makes sense sine the original was a crtek game.
I remembered I gave it a quick try on PS3 but as my brain was very rotten with COD games at the time it never grabbed too much of my attention… But I still have it in my backlog.
The PC port of FC2 is a disaster though. I remember sitting through that long intro cutscene so many times, it just kept crashing before the first save point…
People complain about PC ports now (and rightfully so) but man there was a constant stream of garbage ports in the late ‘00s that were never fixed.
FC2 was totally fine for me when I played it on PC, both close to release and later, I guess it just had issues on certain hardware…
I have both the disc and the Steam version and I’ve never had a problem getting either to run. Especially that first cut scene never once crashed on me, and I must have started about a dozen playthroughs over the past 15 years, on vastly different hardware configurations.
IF YOU DONT PLAY THE FIRST 2 YAKUZA GAMES, I WILL FIND YOU AND TSKE YOUR MONEY AND DOWNLOAD THEM ON YOUR COMPUTER.
GTA2 was cool. Never played the new stuff
GTA1 was really good too.
I’m not that old
I played a lot of GTA London, but I’m old now
Such bizzare moment when someone acknowledged megaten series and its fanbase on this kind of forum.
Fallout 1(!) and 2 is still enjoyable due to its turn based and variety of char build. Although may be frustating if you do not understand how the game played.
Meanwhile on Saints Row series, the best are on 1 & 2 (back when they have more grounded story though they have whacky side content).
Persona 2 duology is better written than any other Persona game, and I think one of three games I’ve cried finishing. That’s not a “tough guy” flex, that’s just a comment on how shallow most video game writing is.
Also you can be gay and fight Hitler. Tatsuya sweep.
You can be gay and fight Hitler
More games need this feature.
It’s definitely one of my favorite games as well. I love modern Persona but a part of me is always wishing for something like P2 again…
Well it’s the most hoped for remake in Japan after Persona 3…so here’s hoping a P2 rebuild is on top of Atlus’ list now.
I love the game too, but I even hesitate to recommend it to diehards of the genre because the gameplay is so dated. I usually say to watch a YT plot only video if anyone is ever interested.
Can probably add Baldur’s Gate to the list now
Warcraft 2 was actually a really great game. If Warcraft 3 and StarCraft never came out and utterly eclipsed it, it would have been an all timer. Warcraft 1 was also good, but inferior to 2 in basically every way and never got time to shine.
Witcher 1 was incredibly tough to play through, but Witcher 2 was great.
WC1 was iconic at the time and we thought nothing could top it. Then WC2 absolutely blew our minds, and SC destroyed them as (I think) the first popular RTS with highly asymmetric but balanced factions.
Blizzard was absolutely on the top of their game then.
Of course nobody (including myself) realized that both games were just Warhammer / 40k in disguise, because those games were only for true nerds at the time. Only in the last few years as 40k has become mainstream did it become obvious where Blizzard got the lore and aesthetic to create such iconic games.
Yeah I really enjoyed WC2, it was epic and WC3 was a real disappointment to be honest. I still play WC2 every so often though
Same I never played much WC3 we mostly stuck to StarCraft and AoE2 in that era. StarCraft for a quick weeknight game and AoE2 for prolonged LAN party wars
I heard (so feel free to go down the rabbit hole and try to varify it, cause I am struggling to find a definitive source) that Blizzard was actually trying to make a 40k game but the deal fell through so they went for legally distinct lore. And one of the reasons all the cerabrates were killed between brood war and wings of liberty was because games workshop didn’t feel they were legally distinct enough and blizzard didn’t want to get in a protracted legal battle over them.
I’ve heard that it was Warcraft that was supposed to be a Warhammer licensed game but I don’t believe it. I don’t know what the armies looked like at the time when Warcraft 1 was being designed, but the Humans certainly don’t look like anything in 5th Ed - TOW.
StarCraft is clearly inspired by WH40k, but it came out after they should have resolved any licensing issues with Warcraft.
I looked into it this morning because I was curious and it’s all very blurred lines. However apparently Blizzard and GW do have an agreement about allowed content going forward so something happened between them.
It’s like… There’s only so many ways to draw a space marine but Terran marines are clearly Space Marines, right? And the Zerg and Tyranids are just too similar for it to be a coincidence.
