Until im proven wrong about the Israelis, i will never say a single good word about those settler genocidal shits. Absolutely abhorrent what they’ve been doing since 1947
Here’s how the NYT describes it. “Many” is doing a lot of evil heavy lifting.
The Palestinian news agency reported that Israeli tanks had fired at thousands waiting for aid. Israeli officials said Gazans were trampled and run over by aid trucks.
MSM where I live are reporting the controversy, ie. “Palestine says Massacre, ‘Israel’ says tragedy” and sprinkling it heavily with the usual “Hamas-controlled health authorities” and such. They have some decent stuff inside the articles, like saying that Gazan health authority numbers are usually correct, but if you just read headlines you could easily think it was all just a bunch of accusations.
The Guardian’s (now edited) headline was: “Middle East crisis live: Hamas warns it could end hostage talks after more than 100 Palestinians killed near aid trucks”
Because when israel slaughters hundreds of Palestinians they are intentionally starving, journalistic integrity requires that you obscure who did the killing or why thousands of Palestinans were so desperate for aid. The readers need to know that what’s important is how Hamas(!!!) might react, of course, with the implication that Hamas would no longer be receptive to a hostage deal (even though the deals they’ve offered to israel have always been rejected).
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“Consciousness ceded in a dynamically calorie restricted situation”
WaPo right now:
Chaotic aid delivery turns deadly as Israeli, Gazan officials trade blame
Whoops no idea how that happened, each side blames the other, who’s to know the truth???
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Writers also don’t typically get to pick their own headlines.
tragedy
It’s wild how the media uses a word like that in at least three different ways. The Gaza war really brings this out to an insane degree.
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It’s used in a biased way to show the bararity of Hamas and the damage (or “scars” - figurative of course) inflicted on Israel. “On October 7, 2023, a day forever etched in the collective memory of Israel, an unspeakable tragedy unfolded, leaving a deep scar on the nation…”
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It can be used in a neutral way.
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It can be used to mean an unfortunate oopsie was made by Israel and they are so sorry about it.
I got the idea for this comment from this quote.
People uttered so, in a slight flatting of tone, means white people. Uttered another way, it means black. A third way means people in general.
- “Love in the Ruins (1971)” by Walker Percy
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Lol the MSM is incapable of mentioning Palestinians in a massacre in the same sentence. It’s one or the other.
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Israel deserved October 7th and they deserve it again. Death to Israel.
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This “decades long conflict” is simply a result of Israeli settler-colonialism. It’s not just people fighting because they can’t get along, since the start the goal was to wipe out the Palestinians and settle in the nation, and equating the resistance of the Palestinians against oppression with the colonial violence of Israel for suppression is liberal nonsense.
Israel started this conflict, and they want nothing more than the complete eradication of the Palestinian people. The only way it’s going to end is with the complete abolition of the Israeli state. Death to Israel.
Oh yeah, as opposed to trying to poorly shame people online and encouraging the Israelis doing their genocide. You are really a shining beacon.
death to Israel. Death to America. Death to NATO.lmao literally spamming the same response like a bot, NPC ass dipshit
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I can tell you’re one of those people that claims there is a “cycle of violence”, but there is no cycle. There is no circular causality. Israel’s genocide is not caused by violence from Palestinians. It is caused by an ethno-nationalist ideology and the colonist invasion used to implement it. Every bit of violence that you will associate with a Palestinian is a justified response to being trapped, starved, beaten, deprived, and killed.
Palestinians do not do anything to cause the continued violence of Israel. If Hamas completely dissolved and no Palestinian child ever threw a rock at an Israeli tank again, they would still be getting genocided, having their homes and land continually taken from them. Because Israel and most of its citizens want this to happen. No, “we” don’t need thousands of people to die. Israel needs it.
Every bit of violence that you will associate with a Palestinian is a justified response to being trapped, starved, beaten, deprived, and killed.
I’ll push back very slightly here. Before I say it, I’ll clarify - my understanding comes from my experience and someone who’s Palestinian has a much better understanding than me. So their words should matter more. What I’m saying might not even apply to this situation as a whole - I’m just responding to this statement I’ve quoted.
I’m from a colonized country where we are taught about the heroic efforts of our freedom fighters from a very young age - not just in school (which is liberalised tbf), but in movies and TV (dramatized) and via anecdotes from our grandparents who lived in colonial times (personal efforts by individuals and the impact of revolutionary figures on the ground).
Not every individual bit of violence by every individual oppressed person is justified. Individuals are fallible and many immoral people commit violence in ways that do not forward the cause of independence, but for personal gain.
What is justified is organised struggles that various independence groups undertake to attain their freedom. The level and type of struggle that is deemed necessary is up to the group fighting for independence. Some of them will be called terrorists by the colonisers, others will be co-opted by them and become oppressors themselves, or seek to gain a dominant position within the independent struggle. Thats a normal part of the struggle. And even within these groups there will be people who will put their personal gain above the efforts of the group - at that point the group has to have a system in place to deal with these individuals.
This doesn’t mean individuals cannot be a part of the independence struggle without being in a group. They absolutely can. Most civilians are. But there is a difference between every anarchic bit of individual violence done with no overall goal but for personal gain, and organised struggle. The two are not always the same. That’s all.
I don’t mean “justified” as in “morally correct”, I mean it as in there is an understandable justification for it. Not specifically from the individual involved. When an invading group makes ethnic divisions in a society, there will be ethnic violence, and the only justified reaction is to end those ethnic divisions (in this case, “Israel” getting the hell out). I don’t mean that a random Palestinian being violent towards a random “Israeli” is good, I mean that it’s not some moral calculation that should be weighed against Israel’s crimes. They aren’t the same and don’t contribute to a cycle.
I agree with everything you wrote, but I don’t really think it means much to be pointed out here, because it’s not really what I was responding to. (Also, unrelated, but don’t use “anarchic” like that. It’s very lib.)
Israel
BTW: I don’t know what the views are ouside of europe, but Al Jazeera is considered not being neutral in this conflict. Yeah, you can share it, but you should question how much is true.
Ridiculous to be neutral during the Israeli genocide of Palestinians. As for the “Hamas terrorists,” the Palestinian right to resist occupation by armed struggle is enshrined in international law (UN res 37/43) and therefore not terrorism. Hot safety tip: Don’t hold your music festivals next to your concentration camps. Regardless, this “butchering by Hamas” is pure fiction:
Haaretz: “According to [comments by Tuval Escapa, the kibbutz’s security coordinator], only on Monday night and only after the commanders in the field made difficult decisions—including shelling houses on their occupants in order to eliminate the terrorists without knowing whether the Israelis in those buildings were alive or dead—the IDF completed the takeover of the kibbutz.”
Colonel Nof Erez (air force) told a Haaretz podcast in November that “the Hannibal Directive was apparently applied” and that October 7th “was a mass Hannibal.”
Ynet: Israel fired from helicopters into crowd of festival goers indiscriminately (blamed on “Hamas deception”)
DEATH TO ISRAEL!!!
DEATH TO ISRAEL!
How the fuck can you be an adult and still believe in fantasies like “neutral journalism?” Of course you’re a fucking zionist kraut too, coming in here to lecture people about “antisemitically” opposing a genocide. You’re a fucking joke, people were mocking germans like you before you even showed up here.
“Because of history we could never commit acts of violence against an oppressed group… why yes Israel you can have some more bombs to level Palestinian villages”
The absolute brain worms these people have are incredible. In another comment thread they’re crying and moaning about concentration camp comparisons because the number of dead Palestinians isn’t high enough yet. Apparently “learning from the holocaust” means that you have to wait until you hit the 6 million mark before you start doing something about it.
In another comment thread they’re crying and moaning about concentration camp comparisons because the number of dead Palestinians isn’t high enough yet.
How dare the Israeli government privately describe Gaza as a “huge concentration camp”? Don’t they know that’s antisemitic?
Germans are just genetically predisposed to genocide. The USSR did a good job of selecting it out of them, but the reunification ruined all of that since it’s the dominant gene.
Something is deeply wrong with the German brainpan
Those, who are shouting “death to Israel” in the comments are as useful in this whole decades long conflict as the Hamas terrorists
Please, don’t flatter us. Hamas is doing infinitely more to stop Israel’s ongoing genocide than some people leaving comments on a forum.
Death to Israel, death to America.
oppa gangnam style
when they butchered Israelis during the last massacre
but enough about the israeli army
BTW: I don’t know about views inside the NATO alliance which has spent the last 30 years destroying every country in the middle east, but no news outlet in Europe or the US is considered a reliable source in this conflict. Yeah, you can share it, but you should question how much any of what they say it true.
Can’t wait to hear how genocide joe bravely called zykkklon bibi a big mean poopy head over this.
I heard that Dark Brandon said the F-Word in private, but it sounded like when the Ice Pikmin says it in Pikmin 4.
I was into the Palestinian liberation movement before I was even a socialist (when I was 16 or whatever I was a Ron Paul gooner). It’s probably the thing that made me realize—oh damn, literally everything I’m being told about the world outside the imperial core is a fucking lie. I fucking saw the Jeffrey Epstein thing coming from a mile away—one of my former roommates dead ass woke me up to tell me the news and I lost my shit. *hot goth chick intern punts me in the back of my head with a broom stick* What I’m trying to get at here is, holy fuck I’ve become such an apathetic lazy coward. Time to fucking change that.
Death to Israel.
Seriously what the hell were they
doing anywhere in the vicinity of the aid trucks?waiting for their victims to arrive, no doubt
The trucks were Israeli. It was a trap and purposeful. Those weren’t UN aid trucks
In a just world, after this is all over members of the Knesset and IOF must be hanged for crimes against humanity and Israel should receive the Rhodesia treatment
Line them up on the walls of Gaza and the west bank
I remember how German citizens were forced to see the concentration camps when the Nazis were defeated.
With that in mind, Israelis must be forced to see what they have done. All Israelis have to be forced to see the concentration camp. Conscript IDF members to dig bodies out of the rubble. Make them learn the names of the people they murdered. I don’t think support would be nearly as high if they were actually looking.
Sure there’s some psychopaths but I really think the majority are just indoctrinated and insulated. They could be reeducated.
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You might want to learn some history of what concentration camps are and what their purpose is. Start with the second Boer War.
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You realize how fucking stupid you sound arguing that a state has to hit some kind of deranged genocide quota before we can start treating it as a genocide right?
Thanks. I stay with the interpretation of the leader of my country who already told Abbas that those comparisons are bullshit. Not a “holocaust”… Not “concentration camps”…
I assume your country is Germany, a country that has previously had problems with their citizens trusting their leader instead of thinking for themselves. Could your leader have a political bias that causes him to twist language around?
As to what words we’ll use, we’ll continue to use the word genocide as history proves us right. Germany started committing a genocide long before the Wannsee conference and continued committing one throughout the duration of WW2.
I stay with the interpretation of the leader of my country who already told Abbas that those comparisons are bullshit. Not a “holocaust”… Not “concentration camps”…
Hey, South Africa and Namibia both say “shut the fuck up KKKracker”
As a German who visited Dachau, shut the fuck up.
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Shut the fuck up you stupid cracker.
Palestinian people are imprisoned in a city, prevented from leaving, denied access to food, water, medicine, and fuel, constantly bombed and massacred, and the vast majority of them have never been convicted of crimes. How is this not a concentration camp, exactly?
This is why Gaza must be visited.
You need to understand.
Nah, the Israelis support this pretty much across the board, acting like they just don’t know what they do is incredibly naive.
I’m certain a lot of them only support it in an abstract sense and don’t grasp what they’re actually supporting. Internal media doesn’t show the bodies being dug out of the rubble or the literal thousands of mutilated children or interviews with the survivors or the other horrors in the Gaza concentration camp. I’m certain if we rubbed it in that the crimes would sink in. They’re still human, they just aren’t seeing.
You definitely aren’t aware of Zionist Telegrams that show nothing but mutilated Palestinian corpses full of comments in Hebrew mocking the bodies as they get desecrated by IOF goons.
They know. And not only do they know, they fucking love it. They delight in seeing dead Palestinians. The sight of a dead Palestinian getting their fallen body desecrated and organs harvested brings a shit-eating grin to these ghouls’ faces.
And how many people does that actually represent? Many tens of thousands I’m sure! But is the average Israeli visiting those Telegrams? I doubt it. The majority just don’t think about it, same as every genocide.
And what of popular Israeli talkshows where the hosts say Gaza should be razed to the ground with the entire audience applauding? Are they just “tens of thousands?”
Those talk shows don’t show the bodies for a reason.
And you certainly can’t smell through the TV.
You’re really underestimating human empathy. People get PTSD from working in slaughterhouses, actual human bodies would break through the standard programming. Yes, there are a lot of genocidal freaks, but I just don’t believe most of the war’s supporters really understand what they’re supporting.
And we should make them. By force.
Everyone in Israel who didn’t immigrate as an adult served in The IDF or went to prison to not serve.
They all know.
Served in the IDF to drop bombs from thousands of feet away or inside drone bases miles away or inside armored vehicles with only screens to see the world with. The actual boots-on-the-ground engagement is low by design.
They’re dropping bombs on schools and hospitals they know what they are doing even from thousands of feet away
There’s a difference between knowing and knowing. The lesson doesn’t sink in without the full sensory experience. Even the targets are chosen by the targeting AI Gospel, so they get to offload their guilt into Just Following Orders.
It’s not natural for people to be like this. They have to be carefully cultivated and propagandized at all times, not just when they’re growing up but their entire lives. The conditioning can be broken.
I’m aware.
I think we could get those numbers up if they were forced to really understand what they have done, to see and hear and smell the genocide.
They’ve had plenty of chances to educate themselves. If I can see right from wrong halfway around the world they have no excuse. They have access to everything I do. If they can hear the constant airstrikes, see the plumes of smoke, and just go one with their day? They are as guilty as if they are pulling the triggers themselves.
Not to mention the mandatory military service means a decent chunk are pulling triggers themselves. 0 sympathy for Israeli occupiers. Ignorance of the consequences of your actions is no excuse. You can’t drop a bomb on a crowded city and tell yourself “I sure am glad I hit exactly what I was aiming at and didn’t kill anyone else!”.
Do you think I’m absolving them of guilt?
Not at all!
I just think they can be reeducated through direct exposure and forced labor.
Ah fair enough, I misunderstood your point and came in a little hot. I still think certain members of the IOF (mainly pilots but pretty much any one directly involved in the genocide) should get the
. Another example are the IOF foot soldiers who are walking through the rubble of a city, the stench of death permeating the air, while they are laughing and taking selfies. They are already up close and personal with the atrocities being committed. If they had an iota of sympathy for the Palestinian people they would have defected, 
, or done some drastic protest akin to what Aaron Bushnell did.It takes more than sympathy to defect, that takes courage. The penalty is almost certain death or worse.
Aaron Bushnell is far braver than us. How can we comdemn cowards to death for being too afraid to betray their rulers when we, too, are choosing to not throw our bodies into the gears of the empire?
I believe the majority of the israeli people would clap and guffaw when seeing what the idf has done, i think their indoctienation unironically goes deeper than ww2 germans
Then why isn’t it being shown to them on television?
They’d cum too much
They sit on hills in lawn chairs and laugh and cheer as they watch bombs land on children! They have no morals, they are evil and should be executed, they will not feel bad for what they’ve done
No, they watch bombs land on distant objects. They don’t see the children and they’d respond far differently if they had to dig through the rubble for body parts.
I admire your optimism
Imagine for a second what a mass execution on that scale does to the society that perpetrates it, especially those directly doing it. Killing hollows people out. No matter how justified. It hurts the person doing it. I mean thats an underdiscussed problem with the death penalty, the fact that it turns the executioner into a killer. I dont want to share space with someone capable of the coldness necessary to carry out state murder.
Its simply not practical, even if you think it is justified (and as a strict rehabilitationist, i would argue against that too).
Also institutions of mass execution have a way of self perpetuating.
Im fucking infuriated by this article too. And my first gut is blood for blood too. But when i think about the consequences of that, I know its not right.
It hurts the person doing it.
I’m sure learning that your family was brutally murdered while seeking humanitarian aid also hurts. I bet it hurts learning that people you knew were crushed under trucks. I bet it hurts knowing that cumskins all over the world make excuses for the barbaric extermination of your people, make excuses for the IOF perpetrating it. I bet it hurts that as people react to the very real deaths of tens of thousands of Palestinians, there are people like you who insist on defending against even the hypothetical idea of Israelis receiving any justice for what they have done in cold-blood and with full intent. I know how it makes me feel, I can’t imagine how it might make someone living in this hell feel. Probably like burning the whole ass world down.
Idk what about what I said makes you think I dont know all that.
It isn’t about what you do or do not know, it’s about what you choose to focus on.
“What you chose to focus on” what do you want me to do? Make five comments calling for blood first to meet your standards of focus ratio? To make the obvious (that im intensly angry about this) clear? Dont assume my thoughts or intent.
I didnt do that because those comments already exist in plenty. I save my posts for original thoughts usually.
What is it with people and this “if you mention something it means youre not focusing on another thing” bullshit. I dont want to assume your neurotype, but it certainly smells like NT bullshit to me.
Eta: you mention in your first reply “justice”. Well ive been consistent in thinking justice should never be punitive. Mass killing isnt justice.
Eta2: The hypotheticalness of people here mentioning mass executions doesnt change how i feel about mass executions. I stand by every word i wrote. I am aware of the rage involved because i feel it too. But policy of What Is To Be Done shouldnt be driven by that.
Yeah, whenever I see someone post this kind of stuff, I kind of get the urge to have them put in a situation of “your new job is killing the people you want to see killed 40 hours a week, 50 weeks a year, they will be tied up and you may use a claw hammer or a machete, but you must meet a daily quota of kills” and see how quickly their enthusiasm wears off.
When you look at the breadth and scope of the groups these people are demanding to be killed, you’re realistically looking at creating an entire sector of the economy whose sole purpose is the efficient mass-killing of human beings for years if not decades. Maybe the people advocating these things would be okay with such a society, but it’s not the kind I joined the left to fight for, and contrary to what capitalist propaganda would have you believe, it’s not the kind that successful revolutionaries have historically created.
empathy is one thing, mercy in a situation like this is altogether another
Its not even about mercy for the person who committed the act. I feel like what I wrote that should have made that pretty clear?
Sure there’s some psychopaths but I really think the majority are just indoctrinated and insulated. They could be reeducated.
Nah, Stalin got it right the first time when he said they should execute 50,000 Nazi officers; apply his thinking here and maybe this time don’t be so conservative.
And instead of killing them Dulles and the rest of the Nazi US government gave them jobs in NATO, the CIA, the West German government etc. very cool.
The more you learn the more the phrase “Nazism wasn’t defeated in WW2, it was internationalised” makes sense.
The Dulles (both John Foster and Allen) really do deserve to rot in hell for what they did to our planet.
Execution is just so wasteful. 🤔
I don’t think those ideas conflict; Execute every last one of the officers (and the Knesset) and force the non-officers and civilians who supported this to do the cleanup.
Yeah, 50k officers was a small part of the Nazi war machine. Something like 5 million Nazi soldiers died in the war, and undoubtedly there were millions still living at the end. Pre-war Germany had a population of almost 70 million.
50k officers was a small part of the Nazi war machine.
Was Stalin a lib 🤔
Israelis DO see what they’re doing. They love it. Perhaps except the liberals and the communists that work with Palestinians.
They see very little, actually. Soldiers see the people they kill on little screens, from a long distance away and sometimes without color. Civilians back home don’t even see that, they just see propaganda.
And it’s not just literally seeing that I’m talking about. Can they hear the begging and crying children? Can they smell the burning corpses and open defecation? Taste the air filled choked with silicates and smoke? There’s a whole sensory experience of this genocide that they’re missing out on. I want to rub it in, make it stick.
IOF Nazis literally post about their crimes on TikTok and Telegram. For the people who follow these channels, you need full on re-education to bring back their empathy - not just a trip to the concentration camp.
Re-education is far too kind for those psychopaths.
Well they won’t be psychopaths once they’ve reformed
Communism has a long history of re-educating fascists. Unfortunately, social revolution is not as simple as killing every one of your enemies!
I did also say they should undergo forced labor if you recall. Also be forced to learn the names of their victims.
A tour of the ruins would merely be the first step of a long process. 👍
Sorry, maybe there was a misunderstanding. By trip to the concentration camp, I meant sending them to Gaza to see what they did, NOT sending them to do forced labor at a concentration camp.
I think you’re misunderstanding me. I didn’t say that sending them on a trip to the concentration camp would be all that should be done.
I just think it’s a start. First go to Gaza, learn their names, recover bodies, and then we’ll see.
All my energy to not
right now. Zionists get the Zionazis downplaying it already -
Gaza aid-distribution deaths a ‘tragedy’: Israeli official
An Israeli government spokesperson has described the Palestinian casualties during aid distribution near Gaza City as a “tragedy” and claimed initial indications were that deaths were caused by delivery drivers ploughing into a crowd.
“At some point the trucks were overwhelmed and the people driving the trucks, which were Gazan civilian drivers, ploughed into the crowds of people, ultimately killing, my understanding is, tens of people,” spokesperson Avi Hyman told reporters.
“It’s obviously a tragedy but we’re not sure of the specifics quite yet.”
Separately, the Times of Israel reported that an initial army probe suggested Israeli gunfire caused only some 10 casualties out of the hundreds of people allegedly hurt and killed.
When the scale of the killing was uncovered, they began reporting the crowd “threatened” the IDF soldiers by moving towards them. So the IDF opened fire.
It’ll keep getting twisted. Soon they’ll say there was Hamas operatives among the people.
How many miles of tunnels were hidden under those aid trucks?
Every day brings untold horrors worse than the last
of course this thread became a fucking struggle session about emojis because someone’s mad we have a burning russian federation one
death to israel
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I will never speak to an israeli so long as I live
I will and it’ll be to threaten them
my sister is dating an ex-idf soldier (american who went over, colonized for a bit, and came back), which is almost worse in my opinion. I was hoping they would break up (still have a chance, they are only a couple months in and have already been on-off), but idk what I’ll say to him if i ever have to meet him.
if the first words out of his mouth aren’t “oh my god I was so young and stupid and I am spending as much time and money and energy to rectify my mistake” then my next words will make my sister probably never want to talk to me ever again lol.
Send flowers to his house anonymously undder a different lady’s name, make them think he’s cheating on her
“You’re gonna cut me off just because my bf specifically went over to Germany and was a part of the Einsatzgruppen for a couple years, what’s the big deal?”
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Tell your sister you will never attend any family events with this man or talk to him ever, and ask if she wants that for the future and him splitting the family apart
yeah she and i have already butted heads before when she dated a cop… she sure knows how to pick em.
Your sister sucks bro
Damn 😂
I think you might be suddenly into the Luck o’ the Irish and Soviet China.
How do we not yet have a Claire Daily emoji?
Im infuriated by this deep in my core but i need to stop reading this thread because I can take it when y’all get mass executiony.
Thanks for the check tbh
It’s 8am where I live and that’s enough news for the day
all palestinian violence against israel is self-defense.
Can we have a burning israeli flag emoji? I agree with the guy before and i dont care about anyones feelings on it now
It’s been talked about, mods don’t want a burning star of David.
I agree with you though.
Acceptance of Zionist narratives conflating Israel with Judaism. Pathetic. Every real resistance member burns Zionist flags without issue
I disagree with mods now dont let zionist hide behind fascist
Pure cowardice. We have several emojis of flags burning that have a cross on them. So clearly we’re okay with burning religious symbols. Are we just afraid of being called antisemites? Zionists are going to call us that anyway.
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Japanese flag could also be considered a religious symbol
edit: furthermore, something else that has annoyed me but maybe someone can explain: why do we have a Philippines burning flag emoji? They have an ongoing communist insurgency - surely this would be the place where we do something like we’ve done with India and have (unfortunately) done with Israel and find another flag/group to direct our hate towards?
We have a Russia burning flag despite them being on the forefront of the anti-imperialist front and allied to AES. It’s pathetic that we have that and not the genocidal settler state of Israel. Pitiful
Korean flag also, it’s literally semi-Taoist.
I don’t think we have a burning south korea flag though
Everyone in your responses getting hung up about not having a specific burning flag emoji needs to go outside. There are other ways to express your hatred for Israel. Some of which actually can accomplish something, which arguing about emojis won’t.
When your only response is “this doesn’t matter” you have just accepted defeat rhetorically and want to move on to something else.
If it “doesn’t matter” so much just add the damn flag (or remove the other burning flags) so it stops being a constant struggle session of bad pseudo-zionist arguments to defend mod hypocrisy.
Not having the emoji is a minor grievance, but the users justifying it are the big problem - they are just spouting Zionist narratives about how we need to defer everything to Jewish Feelings and other principles and consistency doesn’t matter. Their folding in one place is symbolic of their folding to that narrative overall.
It’s a bigger issue overall for me because the implication of actively continuing to exclude it is that the official position of this forum is that Ansarallah, Hezbollah and the Palestinian resistance are anti-Semitic for burning Israel flags. They aren’t. It is the mods who are wrong, not the axis of resistance.
Holy shit go outside. I didn’t even ping you. What are you doing, sitting around refreshing this thread looking for people to argue with?
Having the option for a burning star of David emoji risks making nazis feel comfortable posting on this website. Avoiding nazis feeling comfortable on your website is the first job of internet moderators. This is not a problem for the Palestinian resistance, who are not trying to run a website, are not in danger of nazis feeling comfortable on their website, and have bigger problems to deal with than nazis feeling comfortable on their website.
Elsewhere in this thread, you tried to say
should be disallowed under the same logic, because the cross is also a religious symbol. This is an absurd false equivalence - Christians are not under threat, Jews are. This is the same rhetoric that people use when trying to say racism against whites is a problem.Having the option for a burning star of David emoji risks making nazis feel comfortable posting on this website
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Lmao are Nazis going to show up at Ansarallah rallies too because the burning Zionist rag makes them feel welcome? This is just pure stupidity and you are echoing Zionist arguments. Your “go outside” and “logout” and “touch grass” shit isn’t an argument it’s an admission that you know you are wrong and repeating Alan Dershowitz’s argument on why we can’t say “from the river to sea”. You don’t want to make the full throated argument that burning Zionist rags are anti-Semitic because you know you will sound like CNN so you resort to this petty meta-insulting
risks making nazis feel comfortable posting on this website.
This is argument doesn’t make sense to me. We frequently call for fascists, and people who hold some of the beliefs nazis do (racists, transphobes, etc) to be killed. We support the exact opposite countries they do. We have mandatory pronoun tags ffs.
We already say death to Israel and death to zionists. If nazis misinterpreted that as being against Jewish people (and ignored everything else we post), they’d already be here.
So does it matter or not? If its not a big deal, who cares
I am vindicated eternally
It’s always amusing to find patsocs here. Enjoy your stay. See you again on your next account
BuRnInG ZiOniSt fLaG mAkEs YoU a PaTsOc
I never disagreed with you, i was just trying to be nice to our jewish comrades but they gotta take one for the team fuck zionism
Jewish comrades also burn the Zionist rag
If seeing the symbol of colonization and genocide destroyed brings you discomfort you need to work on yourself to disassociate Judaism from Israel/Zionism, because that means you subconsciously conflate them and have given into Zionist brainworms
If seeing the symbol of colonization and genocide destroyed brings you discomfort you need to work on yourself to disassociate Judaism from Israel/Zionism, because that means you subconsciously conflate them and have given into Zionist brainworms
No, the issue was clearly expressed to be the burning of the Star of David within the flag. “Zionist brainworms” fuck off.
Otherwise stated: Zionists put a Star of David there to shield themselves from criticism and attack, and you are agreeing with them and their conflation that it is a valid shield. You agree that burning a Zionist flag is anti-Semitic, which means you have buckled to their logic and given in to their narrative
I am filled with joy and hope when I see the Zionist rag in flames. If that makes you instead fearful and sad, that’s a you problem not a me problem because you have let Zionists colonize your mind
No I am not, and I am not agreeing that burning the Zionist flag is antisemitic. What I’m saying is that the imagery of burning the Star of David itself on an emote being uncomfortable to some Jewish users does not mean they have “Zionist brainworms.” You can’t completely disassociate when it’s the exact same symbol.
Burning a Zionist flag isn’t anti-Semitic. The image of burning a Zionist flag is anti-semitic.
You have to realize how twisted and incoherent your logic is, doing mental gymnastics to defend an indefensible mod decision made on a whim.
This is a burning cross, a Christian symbol. Why does Israel receive special protections for their symbols that nobody else does? Because there is a partial acceptance of Zionist exceptionalism.
No offense but I don’t think is for non-Jewish hexbear users to decide
Oh fuck off with this, by this logic non-Jews also cannot criticize Israel at all because you are aware the mainstream position is that any criticism of Zionism is anti-Semitic and only Jews can do it. You agree with the position of CNN on this 😂 it’s frankly an absurd position to hold that Israel should be abolished but the symbol of Israel is sacred and deserves protections from non-Jews.
I’m a Muslim hexbear and I think every Zionist flag on earth should be destroyed and desecrated, just like Israel should be destroyed.
Deal with it and ban me for being anti-Semitic if you think otherwise, just know that Hezbollah, Hamas, Houthis all agree with me not you.
This not enough for you? You really gotta have the star of david on there? Why is this something you are so hung up on?
That’s not the flag of Israel. Why are you so hung up on living in a fantasy world and not the real one?
I am living in the real world doing actual organizing work where nobody knows about this place or gives a fuck whether or not we have a burning Israel flag emoji.
The fact is that some users here expressed discomfort with having an image of a burning star of david in any form and we honored that.
Nobody is stopping you from saying death to israel or redacted the Zionists.
