Until im proven wrong about the Israelis, i will never say a single good word about those settler genocidal shits. Absolutely abhorrent what they’ve been doing since 1947
of course this thread became a fucking struggle session about emojis because someone’s mad we have a burning russian federation one
death to israel
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when they butchered Israelis during the last massacre
but enough about the israeli army
BTW: I don’t know about views inside the NATO alliance which has spent the last 30 years destroying every country in the middle east, but no news outlet in Europe or the US is considered a reliable source in this conflict. Yeah, you can share it, but you should question how much any of what they say it true.
BTW: I don’t know what the views are ouside of europe, but Al Jazeera is considered not being neutral in this conflict. Yeah, you can share it, but you should question how much is true.
Ridiculous to be neutral during the Israeli genocide of Palestinians. As for the “Hamas terrorists,” the Palestinian right to resist occupation by armed struggle is enshrined in international law (UN res 37/43) and therefore not terrorism. Hot safety tip: Don’t hold your music festivals next to your concentration camps. Regardless, this “butchering by Hamas” is pure fiction:
Haaretz: “According to [comments by Tuval Escapa, the kibbutz’s security coordinator], only on Monday night and only after the commanders in the field made difficult decisions—including shelling houses on their occupants in order to eliminate the terrorists without knowing whether the Israelis in those buildings were alive or dead—the IDF completed the takeover of the kibbutz.”
Colonel Nof Erez (air force) told a Haaretz podcast in November that “the Hannibal Directive was apparently applied” and that October 7th “was a mass Hannibal.”
Ynet: Israel fired from helicopters into crowd of festival goers indiscriminately (blamed on “Hamas deception”)
DEATH TO ISRAEL!!!
How the fuck can you be an adult and still believe in fantasies like “neutral journalism?” Of course you’re a fucking zionist kraut too, coming in here to lecture people about “antisemitically” opposing a genocide. You’re a fucking joke, people were mocking germans like you before you even showed up here.
Something is deeply wrong with the German brainpan
“Because of history we could never commit acts of violence against an oppressed group… why yes Israel you can have some more bombs to level Palestinian villages”
The absolute brain worms these people have are incredible. In another comment thread they’re crying and moaning about concentration camp comparisons because the number of dead Palestinians isn’t high enough yet. Apparently “learning from the holocaust” means that you have to wait until you hit the 6 million mark before you start doing something about it.
In another comment thread they’re crying and moaning about concentration camp comparisons because the number of dead Palestinians isn’t high enough yet.
How dare the Israeli government privately describe Gaza as a “huge concentration camp”? Don’t they know that’s antisemitic?
Germans are just genetically predisposed to genocide. The USSR did a good job of selecting it out of them, but the reunification ruined all of that since it’s the dominant gene.
Death to Israel, death to America.
DEATH TO ISRAEL!
Those, who are shouting “death to Israel” in the comments are as useful in this whole decades long conflict as the Hamas terrorists
Please, don’t flatter us. Hamas is doing infinitely more to stop Israel’s ongoing genocide than some people leaving comments on a forum.
Israel deserved October 7th and they deserve it again. Death to Israel.
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Israel started this conflict, and they want nothing more than the complete eradication of the Palestinian people. The only way it’s going to end is with the complete abolition of the Israeli state. Death to Israel.
Oh yeah, as opposed to trying to poorly shame people online and encouraging the Israelis doing their genocide. You are really a shining beacon.
death to Israel. Death to America. Death to NATO.This “decades long conflict” is simply a result of Israeli settler-colonialism. It’s not just people fighting because they can’t get along, since the start the goal was to wipe out the Palestinians and settle in the nation, and equating the resistance of the Palestinians against oppression with the colonial violence of Israel for suppression is liberal nonsense.
I can tell you’re one of those people that claims there is a “cycle of violence”, but there is no cycle. There is no circular causality. Israel’s genocide is not caused by violence from Palestinians. It is caused by an ethno-nationalist ideology and the colonist invasion used to implement it. Every bit of violence that you will associate with a Palestinian is a justified response to being trapped, starved, beaten, deprived, and killed.
Palestinians do not do anything to cause the continued violence of Israel. If Hamas completely dissolved and no Palestinian child ever threw a rock at an Israeli tank again, they would still be getting genocided, having their homes and land continually taken from them. Because Israel and most of its citizens want this to happen. No, “we” don’t need thousands of people to die. Israel needs it.
Every bit of violence that you will associate with a Palestinian is a justified response to being trapped, starved, beaten, deprived, and killed.
I’ll push back very slightly here. Before I say it, I’ll clarify - my understanding comes from my experience and someone who’s Palestinian has a much better understanding than me. So their words should matter more. What I’m saying might not even apply to this situation as a whole - I’m just responding to this statement I’ve quoted.
I’m from a colonized country where we are taught about the heroic efforts of our freedom fighters from a very young age - not just in school (which is liberalised tbf), but in movies and TV (dramatized) and via anecdotes from our grandparents who lived in colonial times (personal efforts by individuals and the impact of revolutionary figures on the ground).
Not every individual bit of violence by every individual oppressed person is justified. Individuals are fallible and many immoral people commit violence in ways that do not forward the cause of independence, but for personal gain.
What is justified is organised struggles that various independence groups undertake to attain their freedom. The level and type of struggle that is deemed necessary is up to the group fighting for independence. Some of them will be called terrorists by the colonisers, others will be co-opted by them and become oppressors themselves, or seek to gain a dominant position within the independent struggle. Thats a normal part of the struggle. And even within these groups there will be people who will put their personal gain above the efforts of the group - at that point the group has to have a system in place to deal with these individuals.
This doesn’t mean individuals cannot be a part of the independence struggle without being in a group. They absolutely can. Most civilians are. But there is a difference between every anarchic bit of individual violence done with no overall goal but for personal gain, and organised struggle. The two are not always the same. That’s all.
I don’t mean “justified” as in “morally correct”, I mean it as in there is an understandable justification for it. Not specifically from the individual involved. When an invading group makes ethnic divisions in a society, there will be ethnic violence, and the only justified reaction is to end those ethnic divisions (in this case, “Israel” getting the hell out). I don’t mean that a random Palestinian being violent towards a random “Israeli” is good, I mean that it’s not some moral calculation that should be weighed against Israel’s crimes. They aren’t the same and don’t contribute to a cycle.
I agree with everything you wrote, but I don’t really think it means much to be pointed out here, because it’s not really what I was responding to. (Also, unrelated, but don’t use “anarchic” like that. It’s very lib.)
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lmao literally spamming the same response like a bot, NPC ass dipshit
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oppa gangnam style
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Death to Israel.
Many people are saying it
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Nearly literally. Remember the christchurch mosque shooter? Imagine if the second-most-powerful member of your government had a framed photo of him hanging in his living room:
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_of_the_Patriarchs_massacre
- https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/ben-gvir-responds-to-bennett-fine-ill-take-down-baruch-goldsteins-picture/
Learned this from shaun’s video on palestine.
ayo wtf
It’s really hard to believe that this will be the “last straw” as it was so blatant, obvious, and out in the open. I’m hoping that Bushnell’s last protest will be the catalyst that invigorates the people in the core to stop this massacre.
Events like this, and the events of the past 5 months, have made it blatantly and obviously clear. Where you no longer have to be an esoteric scholar of Israel-Palestine, since you can just read and see the news and events in live action and in the moment. This was never about security. Nor about Hamas. This was about seizing the opportunity to extinguish Palestinian life in Gaza, and eventually in the West Bank.
South Africa, Bushnell, and those who stood up and marched against Israel and for Palestine. Against genocide. It wasn’t for nothing.
since you can just read and see the news
Here in Brazil the largest news outlet’s headlines read as follows: Confusion leads to a hundred deaths in Gaza; Food distribution leads to a hundred deaths, Hamas accuses Israel; Number of dead in Gaza surpassses 30k, according to Hamas.
Weird how they all just died out of nowhere.
That pesky “food distribution”
Killed almost as much as “blast”
Me brainstorming how many times I can fit Hamas into the headline
several living beings stop breathing in the gaza strip, radical islamist terrorist group hamas claims
Now the libs are saying it was the truck drivers panicking because the crowd started a riot.
There will be no last straw. The lines have been drawn
This is literally how fox news ran the story word for word, lib and chud media are equally complicit in this genocide
Im infuriated by this deep in my core but i need to stop reading this thread because I can take it when y’all get mass executiony.
Thanks for the check tbh
Imagine looking at a story like this and continuing to insist this isn’t a genocide. This is so fucking disgusting.
Every day brings untold horrors worse than the last
I am determined to live to see the day that these cackling fascist wretches and their bloviating enablers are buried alive.
At this moment, thousands of people are reading about this and wondering what is happening and what the fuck they should be doing.
Now imagine if there was an organized communist party to give them the answers. Go organize NOW, you
. The opportunity is throwing itself at us
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Btw, the fact that this very site is wondering what the fuck they should be doing is evidence of a huge lacking on the more politically-experienced of us. Stimulating real-life organization based on the problems we discuss daily should be a top priority of this site.
We’re just one step of the pipeline to IRL organizing. One can’t live on posting alone
There are organizations in the imperial core like Chunka Luta that are trying to do exactly this. https://linktr.ee/chunkalutanetwork
How long before these fucking psychos set up gas chambers
The Nazis built the death camps as a method of improving the cost-effectiveness of their campaign of extermination. The Israelis are not concerned with cost-effectiveness as their implements of genocide are provided to them free of cost by the USA.
Meanwhile, Alabama has literally began using gas chambers.
Most death camps didn’t start out as death camps either. They started out as internment and labor camps at the start of the war, and were left to fester with starvation and disease as the Germans got stretched thinner. Towards the end, in 1942, the Germans agreed on a policy of mass killings in the camps as a way to cover it up/destroy the evidence when it became more clear they were losing against the Soviets
Who needs gas chambers when you’ve got white phosphorous?
They already have been gassing the tunnels and have killed some of their own hostages.
They are literally gassing Jews, it’s crazy what Israel gets away with
Here’s how the NYT describes it. “Many” is doing a lot of evil heavy lifting.
The Palestinian news agency reported that Israeli tanks had fired at thousands waiting for aid. Israeli officials said Gazans were trampled and run over by aid trucks.
Lol the MSM is incapable of mentioning Palestinians in a massacre in the same sentence. It’s one or the other.
MSM where I live are reporting the controversy, ie. “Palestine says Massacre, ‘Israel’ says tragedy” and sprinkling it heavily with the usual “Hamas-controlled health authorities” and such. They have some decent stuff inside the articles, like saying that Gazan health authority numbers are usually correct, but if you just read headlines you could easily think it was all just a bunch of accusations.
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Writers also don’t typically get to pick their own headlines.
tragedy
It’s wild how the media uses a word like that in at least three different ways. The Gaza war really brings this out to an insane degree.
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It’s used in a biased way to show the bararity of Hamas and the damage (or “scars” - figurative of course) inflicted on Israel. “On October 7, 2023, a day forever etched in the collective memory of Israel, an unspeakable tragedy unfolded, leaving a deep scar on the nation…”
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It can be used in a neutral way.
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It can be used to mean an unfortunate oopsie was made by Israel and they are so sorry about it.
I got the idea for this comment from this quote.
People uttered so, in a slight flatting of tone, means white people. Uttered another way, it means black. A third way means people in general.
- “Love in the Ruins (1971)” by Walker Percy
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WaPo right now:
Chaotic aid delivery turns deadly as Israeli, Gazan officials trade blame
Whoops no idea how that happened, each side blames the other, who’s to know the truth???
The Guardian’s (now edited) headline was: “Middle East crisis live: Hamas warns it could end hostage talks after more than 100 Palestinians killed near aid trucks”
Because when israel slaughters hundreds of Palestinians they are intentionally starving, journalistic integrity requires that you obscure who did the killing or why thousands of Palestinans were so desperate for aid. The readers need to know that what’s important is how Hamas(!!!) might react, of course, with the implication that Hamas would no longer be receptive to a hostage deal (even though the deals they’ve offered to israel have always been rejected).
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“Consciousness ceded in a dynamically calorie restricted situation”
Seriously what the hell were they
doing anywhere in the vicinity of the aid trucks?The trucks were Israeli. It was a trap and purposeful. Those weren’t UN aid trucks
waiting for their victims to arrive, no doubt
