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Damn, I modded my Switch JUST in time! Thanks for giving me the motivation, Nintendo!
I did not… 😭
I imagine you’ll still be able to do so for a while, if not forever. But probably worth doing it sooner rather than later if you’re interested, just in case! Modding it has nothing to do with Yuzu, so I’m not sure why these other programs are involved.
Wait Yuzu were behind all the other tools?? Surely that was other people?
Pretty sure they’re all by other people. Maybe they were hosting copies on their own server or something? Possibly they were just using them for Yuzu development.
The team behind Yuzu is different from ReSwitched and Atmosphere, so you were fine either way.
This just means Yuzu agrees to delete their copies of the tools they used and send Nintendo their hacked Switch consoles (probably to be destroyed).
Although the fact that these programs were named means that Nintendo’s Eye of Sauron is on them - the extra attention makes me nervous. I definitely would have modded it this weekend if I hadn’t already decided to last weekend.
Good point.
Of these, I would only really be concerned about nxDumpTool, nxDumpFuse, and Lockpick_RCM as possible to come after using the same strategy, though. And even then, Lockpick_RCM was already taken down and mass redistributed.
It’s not illegal to modify the hardware you own, and the rest of those aren’t directly interacting with Nintendo’s DRM-protected software. The only one that they could arguably go after is Atmosphère, but SciresM has held a very strong public pro-homebrew and anti-piracy stance which makes it extremely hard for Nintendo to argue that it’s primary purpose is DRM circumvention.
I plan on making offline archives of Hekate and Atmosphère at some point, in either case.
There is no world where these tools exists and Nintendo does not know them. It’s not some deep darknet secret lore hidden behind seven-VPN. Anything that happens online about emulation, all the company knows it exists and how it works. The threat never goes away.
I know, but there’s a difference between “knows they exist” and “is naming them in legal documentation”.
The GitHub repo (source code) for Yuzu now returns 404. It used to be here: https://github.com/yuzu-emu/yuzu
Ok but where is the new repo? 😂
https://lemmy.zip/comment/7971207
This guy made a public archive.
The list of reasons why I refuse to buy Nintendo products is getting pretty hefty at this point.
Tbh in a third world country, Nintendo is a very big luxury. I never imagined buying one at any point in my life. I will buy a steamdeck as soon as it launches in my country.
What else?
Well there’s the fact that they’re selling switch release titles for full price 7 years later
If they can they will, it’s how supply and demand works. It wouldn’t work if people stopped paying so much for old games.
Is it still supply and demand when the supply is infinite?
Yes, if there’s no demand there would be no point in making the supply (the game)
We’re talking about the prices of games that have already been made though. The supply of those specific games is infinite. We’re talking about the prices of certain games (old ones), not all games that are being released now.
I do agree that it makes sense to Nintendo to sell the old games at a high price, but I think supply and demand is probably the wrong phrase.
I’m talking about supply AND demand. If there is infinite supply and zero demand, there would be no point to rerelease these titles. Or they’d bring the price down. This is basic knowledge. If they can get that price for it, they will keep selling it for that price. It’s not rocket science.
I’m not defending the price, I’ve bought plenty and felt dirty doing so lol.
Exactly, and OP is saying they’ve decided to not contribute towards demand anymore
Yeah I mean that’s literally what the original guy said. This is a reason not to buy their products.
Ryujinx is still around, also fuck Nintendo even thought I had bought all the games I play on Yuzu from here on out if I ever buy a Nintendo console it will be only if there is a method to pirate games on that shit. They don’t deserve my money cause their hardware is shit it was 5 years outdated when the switch came out. I want to play my games at 60 FPS and without my eyes bleeding due to the shit resolution and anti-aliasing. So if they want my money they need to pull a Sony and release their games on pc!
Good luck trying to “shut down” a open source software… Still sucks tho, why Nintendo gotta make so good games but be so shitty of a company otherwise
Unfortunately Nintendo will happily chase anyone that distributes this as aggressively as Metallica chased people around in the Napster days.
Of course the tools will never be fully scoured.
At least with Metallica, we could laugh at the irony of a band regularly releasing songs about anarchy crying about piracy.
I’ve got a clone of it and am putting it up on IPFS
Seems like a silly thing to post on a massively public forum, but you do you
I’ll sue them for stalking
That’s nuts.
No, it’s a citrus fruit.
Uh…
I’m just sorry for them. 2.4M dollars? How will they ever pay this? Do you think they will actually have to pay it fully?
I vote they put up a GoFundMe. They deserve the world and Sintendo decided to throw their slimy tentacles all over them.
They won’t, they are an LLC. They can declare bankruptcy and close down the company. The actual people behind it are not responsible for paying, the company is.
If they went to trial they could have been blasted for way more. + Legal fees.
It’s a bummer, but don’t feel sorry for them. It was clear violation, they knew they were on thin ice, or should have known.
I wouldn’t call it a clear violation of 17 U.S.C. 1201, but it was a plausible one. I do agree that they would have been blasted for legal fees trying to figure that part out, however.
Nintendo had a leg to stand on, but it was highly dependent on whether the judge would find an emulator’s primary purpose to be DRM prevention. A good judge that does research into the subject likely wouldn’t find it to be the case, since the primary purpose is emulation and decrypting game titles is only a small part of that. Ending up with a luddite or corporate shill judge is always a huge risk, though.
Japanese IP law IIRC, not american.
They sued under the DMCA, though?
Violation of what?
Are you serious? You think the yuzu team is paying 2.4 mil for fun?
It’s quite clear that emulation of Nintendo’s private product is illegal and against tos.
Did I really need to explain that to you?
Edit you may have your opinion on IP law, but that’s just an opinion . There’s no way these devs didn’t know they were in a grey area, at minimum.
It’s quite clear that emulation of Nintendo’s private product is illegal
It’s not.
What is illegal - and what got the Yuzu team who blindly ran into it like idiots despite people warning them about this since ~forever - is making bank from emulating others’ hardware.
In this case, Yuzu made so much money from their patreon that they created an LLC to handle the cash flow. That part in particular made it trivial for a rightsholder - like Nintendo - to show commercial purpose behind the Yuzu project and hence take its developers to court. It’s how they got import injunctions against stuff like the R4 cards, too. Showing commercial purpose is trivial when bloody Amazon is selling your bloody physical product. Or in this case, if there’s a whole LLC just to manage all the money you’re making and blowing on coke/hookers (I don’t even want to know how much money they siphoned off personally if Nintendo could instantly make them agree to >2 mil, they must have a lot of millions around).
and against tos.
That it is, but that’s only grounds for losing online access and shit. Not the same thing as being open to a broadside from Nintendo’s lawyers.
Edit you may have your opinion on IP law, but that’s just an opinion . There’s no way these devs didn’t know they were in a grey area, at minimum.
No, they were fully aware they were in fully illegal territory, IMO.
They have been warned about this frequently since they started their patreon, and recently there was some R4-like action with Switch emulator cards. Which again led to the whole commercial-vs-free discussion for emulators, and they doubled down on their approach and made a company.
IMO, what actually happened is that they set a ton of money aside (we can estimate they got 1.2mil, but I would estimated it at 2x++ that based on how quickly they accepted). They knew Nintendo would eventually sue them. They got the 2.4mil recompensation offer, this is significantly less than they actually made. And hid. So they’re instantly accepting it to “cash out” the rest.
I don’t even want to know how much money they siphoned off personally if Nintendo could instantly make them agree to >2 mil
I doubt it’s alot of millions. Their Patreon was earning 30’000$ per month.
It’s likely that being a company they can manage this in a way that one indvidual couldn’t.
Nintendo’s ToS doesn’t mean anything to people who never agreed to it. Someone can buy a fusee-vulnerable Switch and use tools to dump the
prod.keysand legally-purchased cartridges without ever agreeing to a single thing.Yuzu absolutely went into a gray area with not exclusively using pre-decrypted ROMs. That’s where they opened themselves up to Nintendo’s argument in the lawsuit.
Using a digital product comes with a tos. When you turned on the console the first time you agreed to it. When you used the cloud services you agreed.
The point is that the hypothetical user never used the console’s ToS-encumbered software. Fusee bypasses the bootloader and jumps straight into a user-provided payload, which doesn’t have any terms attached to it. Those payloads are capable of dumping
prod.keysand the data off the cartridges to an SD card.the hypothetical user never used the console’s ToS-encumbered software
I mean, yeah, sure. If you never ever actually booted the Switch OS or any games on your emulator, you were never subject ot the ToS. I would wager that’s a tiny minority of users though, no?
And are the cartridges not Nintendo IP?
Welp. I guess it’s time to pirate double that in Nintendo IP.
I’m more than a little miffed that Nintendo has my Patreon dollars.
Teaches you not to donate to commercial companies like Yuzu, they can run their own show. Or couldn’t, I suppose. 😅
Is yuzu really going to “shut down”? I have it installed on my computer at least. And it’s foss, no? So anyone can clone the repo.
Damn, the repo is already gone.
It’s gone from the Play Store as well. Glad I managed to grab a copy of the early access version few days ago even though my phone isn’t fast enough to run it full speed. I guess the money I paid for the early access version went to Nintendo.
I hope someone starts making an active fork while also providing a FDroid repository you can add.
Apkmirror has the APKs still
Does it has the early access version, or the regular version?
I’m not sure. Worst case, you can compile it manually from one of the archive forks?
Need to track down the most up to date archive first. Maybe someone know where to look? This one doesn’t seem to contain yuzu-android source code.
Ouch. Hopefully, someone has it installed and can share the APK. Or better yet, if somebody archived the entire org instead of just the yuzu repo.
Doesn’t matter if it’s gone, as long as it is available elsewhere, which of course it is.
A fork will most certainly pop up. I’m curious what this means for ryujinx development going forward.
Here’s my fork in case you want it: https://github.com/TxzK/yuzu. I’m sure some actively maintained forks will pop up eventually.
Saving this for when I get home. Ty!
MVP!
Fork the hell out of it guys,
preserve the code and let things cool off.Then we eventually could see an active fork popping up.
Be careful, now Nintendo is out for blood. I would get it off GitHub at the very least.
Take a look here for some potential alternatives: https://lemmy.world/post/12529718
Good thing you did this!
Yeah good idea. Here you go https://codeberg.org/TxzK/yuzu
Has anyone made a backup of the Linux building guide? it points me to a 404 page.
I just uploaded a mirror of the wiki to https://codeberg.org/zarenki/yuzu-wiki/src/branch/master/Building-for-Linux.md
Downloaded it a week ago, so might not be the most recent change.
Thanks, you are a life saver. Have a Lemmy Lemon 🍋
Hello, it’s me Nintendo please pay me 2.4M bucks in damages from sharing those links, you vicious criminal 😭
Lol, it’s 21592 comments aheàd of roblabla/yuzu:master and 4.4k forks
Thanks, cloned it to my homeserver
You can use the version you have already installed forever. Even reinstall over and over. Them shutting down won’t stop it from working.
They cannot truly shut down Yuzu, the open source project.
They can - and did - shut down Yuzu, the commercial for-profit company.
That’s wild. But I guess I’m not surprised since the emulator was really good and the system is still out there selling
Well, I think I now need to dowload this.
You can’t officially download it anymore.
If you’re familiar with compiling things, there are backup forks everywhere, though.A lovely Lemming posted an archive.org link to download the last builds in other comments here.
You wanna believe I downloaded it as soon as this was announced. Been playing some Metroid Dread on a 32 inch monitor with a controller that doesn’t cramp up my hands the past couple of days. Thanks for giving me the push I needed Nintendo! I might have just been happy with my Steam library instead.
Can you share the repo?
A user named kadu was offering it up to all in the earlier thread. He said it’d be available as long as he was around. Just DM him for the link.
So, are Yuzu developers actually have $2.4M lying around, or will they pay for it in installment like Gary Bowser?
The fact that they quickly agreed to this amount tells you all you need to know about how much money they - personally - made from the patreon.
No wonder Nintendo got this so easily, unlike the other emulators they went after. With that kind of cash, good luck arguing in front of a judge that you’re not running Yuzu as a commercial business.
Yes it tells me all I need to know: that they don’t care about the amount because they are going to declare bankruptcy anyway, since Yuzu is an LLC.
they were making 30k/mo for a while, so for sure they can pay some of it off.
Some people estimates they net ~$1.2M on patreon so far. If that’s the case they still ~$1.2M short.
Usually in a civil case you’d just settle for whatever money the devs had lying around.
Rip yuzu
