Still not available in my country. Sadge.
Tidal also pays artists significantly more than Spotify/ Apple Music. So they’re good-shittifying in both directions 🙂
Interesting, what is this “reverse enshittification” you speak of
De-shittification?
I usually call that flushing
So tidal essentially flushed it’s toilet
Wipe-ification?
Don’t forget that Apple Music also pays significantly more than Spotify. Just not as much as Tidal.
Oh yeah Spotify is definitely the worst in comparison
A rare instance of… unshittification?
Yeah, like, when services are actually trying to compete for your business. It’s so nice when it (rarely) happens!
I really wanted to like tidal, but honestly it’s not really good. The search sucks, no offline mode on desktop, no official Linux client, an incomplete catalog…
It’s not worth it, even if they are the least bad for paying artists.
Yeah. The number one reason I won’t subscribe is that if their library is missing a song, you can’t even add it yourself. Both Spotify and Apple Music allow adding your own MP3s, how does Tidal not have that feature?!
You can use Plexamp as a Tidal client. I do this for offline music. Works on desktop too 🙂
Need a Plex server though :/
Also cost $6.50AUD a month, way too much.
I don’t think you need a Plex server to use the tidal feature.
Btw Plexamp seems to be free (with a few restrictions) to everyone now and not just Plex pass subscribers (which admittedly was expensive if you only used Plexamp and didn’t have a life time sub like me)
Source: https://www.plex.tv/plex-pass/
How do you set it up without a server. I can’t get past this screen
Edit: Also on that web page is says that downloads are locked behind Plex Pass, that’s pretty vital…
Good question. The website FAQ says that tidal can be used without a webserver but I have never tried it personally.
Good to know, thanks!
The limited library was their biggest problem in my opinion. It’s acceptable if you want mainstream, well known artists centered on appealing to North America but there were so many international and independent groups that weren’t on the service. Higher quality streaming is only worth it if you can listen to what you like.
honestly it’s not really good
*for you it isn’t
the search sucks
what’s wrong with it? works fine for me
no offline mode on desktop
why would you need it? it’s supported on phones, just listen via phone?
no official Linux client
Neither does apple music. Tidal are open sourcing their SDK though
an incomplete catalog
*for you. for me there isn’t
It’s not worth it, even if they are the least bad for paying artists
Again, for you. On paper, tidal is the better option and I rather support artists than some questionable monopolistic corporation
This is perhaps the stupidest response I’ve read on Lemmy for a while. Nobody is entitled to an opinion these days.
Im expecting a response, quoting each paragraph I wrote, with only ‘For you’ as the text.
I don’t agree. He wrote it like it was absolute, whereas it’s a personal opinion. Like you stated correctly.
well it’s neither nor. I’m also pissed that there’s no Linux client, and they didn’t even try to make their windows client run in wine. so it’s not just one person’s opinion as i hereby confirm.
Not saying it’s not a valid point against tidal overall. I would also enjoy me a linux native client. However I don’t see why this is a valid point against tidal and for apple music.
Having said that. I found a bug in their windows client and the devs are very much receptive for feedback. Maybe in the future when more people use Linux they’ll come around and make one. Or the community will with tidal’s open source SDK.
Why do you keep mentioning apple music? OP never made any comparison to it or any other streaming service. He just communicated why the service didn’t work for him and you felt compelled to inform him that how he feels is his opinion?
You’re missing the point I’m trying to make. He’s stating his opinion, which his absolutely valid for him, but concludes that in general it’s not worth it and that it is not good. The only thing I did was mark his opinions, also mark my opinions, but conclude that in the general case there’s no better option. I only wanted to draw attention to this style of rhetoric which I don’t like as a discussion culture.
Btw I also don’t like the ad homimen argument e.g. “stupidest comment I’ve seen” etc. That’s not how a respectful discussion should be.
But you’re better being personal?
Why would you waste your own time with a comment like this?
What do you mean? I’m interested in his opinion and he wrote it like it was an absolute fact. Poor way to start a discussion imo.
That’s his opinion, that’s the fact for him. How obtuse do you have to be to waste your time like that?
I’m not arguing against his personal opinions, I’m arguing against his conclusion that tidal is not worth it (for everyone,because that is how it is worded).
How is it of your concern how I spend my time?
no offline mode on desktop
why would you need it? it’s supported on phones, just listen via phone?
So you’re saying this use case works for you??
Yes!
Damn, you’re shilling hard!
I don’t want to use my phone for basic features like the offline mode, I’m not always connected to the internet on my laptop, that’s it.
I don’t care about Apple music, and almost every streaming platform provides some kind of SDK. It doesn’t change the fact that I don’t have a Linux client, and probably never will (or at least feature-complete) because they partly use Dolby Atmos, which is a closed-source licensed format.
And no, even on paper, tidal’s not the better option to support artists. Buy tracks on Bandcamp, buy merch and vinyl directly from artists…
I’m talking in the context of streaming services here…
Maybe you’re right with the Linux client part, but I don’t know any other streaming service that does provide one? At least Spotify and Apple Music don’t. Does it make them also not worth it? I would disagree.
I never said tidal is the best app to support artists. In that regard there is a better option, just give them your money for free. I meant as a streaming service, quality wise and in terms of paying artists, there are no better options.
What I didn’t like about your OP was the fact that you laid your personal opinions out and then concluded that tidal is not worth it. Doesn’t make me a shill when I answer with counterpoints.
Your counterpoints were all basically just “your use case is different than mine therefore you are wrong”.
No not at all
At least Spotify and Apple Music don’t
Spotify does have an application for Linux, if you’re gonna harp on about facts you should at least stick to them.
Point taken, guess I remembered it wrong. But if you take a look at the arch wiki, they say that your mentioned client is actually not official.
This article is mainly about the semi-official, proprietary Spotify for Linux client, which is developed by Spotify’s engineers in their spare time and not actively supported by Spotify.
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I wish it was getting cheaper…I’ve been @ $6.35/month for their CD FLAC quality middle tier, with my veteran discount for a few years.
Has been perfect for my budget HiFi setup.
Now it’s nearly doubling in cost, and they won’t have the discount anymore…
Does this mean we’re stuck with MQA? Or can we still forcibly use FLAC. I was on the lower tier purely to avoid MQA.
No, there is what Tidal calls “HiRes FLAC”, which is 24-bit, 192 kHz. Their website does not even mention MQA anymore. They’ve moved away from MQA since early 2023, when the MQA company went bankrupt
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You don’t know the Verge, perhaps
This is just a good news and they are reporting it as such
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This guy is fun at parties
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Yea, that you’re fun at parties.
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I don’t think I’m going to let mr. ”bad-take—edgy-2006-gamer-tag-name-guy” tell me what to do. So nah.
Ok. So journalistically, the key points to get across here are:
- Tidal is changing its subscriptions plans
- They are now cheaper
- That’s pretty unique since literally everyone else on the planet is increasing prices, not lowering them
How would you have reported the news? Would you have done something differently?
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So you’re talking out of your ass. Got it
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You also feel like you’re talking out of your ass?
Hey, at least we agree on something lol
Not.
It’s not news.
Yes, it is. It may not be interesting to you, but it is (as others said) noteworthy when a company bucks the trend of the industry.
This type of story is business journalism — it’s not world news or politics, but it’s still news. And the article isn’t as rosy as the headline — they are still upcharging for the HiFi service if you used the DJ Integration feature (no idea what this is, I don’t use Tidal), and they’re axing military and first responder discounts.
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Nothing can make it news.
There is no presentation that can turn an article about a price drop into anything but an ad.
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imagine i am hitting you with a newspaper
What about a price hike? If Netflix or Spotify increased their prices, would that be news?
Article specifically calls how they’re axing military and first responder discounts, how you still get upcharged for HiFi if you use their DJ Integration feature, and how they’re nixing the free tier.
The article is not an advertisement; it contains some good news for consumers and some bad news for consumers. The notable bit is the good news, hence it’s the headline. And it’s notable exactly because it’s good news — most everyone else is raising prices across the board.
I initially upvoted this comment, but since every other comment you’ve made is weird and combative, you’ve somehow made me stop agreeing with you. It’s an odd feeling.
Some of y’all just like basking in depression and misery. Upset when prices go up, upset when a company lowers prices.
Tidal is generally very highly regarded among those who seeking a music streaming service that’s higher quality and pays out to artists. It’s no surprise this gets a positive shine.
Considering this was written by a reviewer, a person paid to give opinions…
I use Tidal and love it for HiFi playback. They’re kinda like Criterian for music and take the time to capture high bitrate archival masters. It’s pretty cool.
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The Verge is a site focusing on tech products and services.
I cannot believe anyone would find it surprising that they talk about tech products and services.
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To be miserable somewhere else.
insane cope
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Get over yourself mate.
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Seems like you’re asserting that the article is sponsored content without being disclosed, in violation of FTC guidelines. Seems like a pretty serious claim that borders on libel. Do you have any proof of your allegations?
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You okay love? You need a hug?
I think they just need attention.
Dude. You have an opinion, huh? shut up with this ridiculous arrogance. You don’t deserve it, and neither do they deserve your haughty tone.
Provide your opinion next time, without whipping your ego out like a hobo on a train
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Why are people downvoting this? I sense strong sarcasm
I appreciate you but no, i was burning him
You really weren’t, though.
Tidal is still around? I’m impressed
I like Tidal because its interface isn’t downright crap. What Spotify did to playlists and to the heart/cross button is so damn annoying.
I love the change. I have many playlists and it has made my life so much easier organising everything.
How does it work better for you? To me it’s annoying, I cannot easily move folders around anymore, nor move playlists into folders if I’m not using the desktop app.
Also, the + (former ♥️ button) is the worst offender to me. I used to use the button to add a music to my big “liked” default list, the one that is more permanent, and the three dots to add it to a playlist, which are more fluid. So playlists come and go, and not every song on a playlist is the one i want on my definitive pool of “always wanted” songs.
Then someone at Spotify decided to say “fuck you users”, and merged the + and three dots, making it harder to know if a song is already in my main “liked” list.
Say I have a playlist I created, the + button is now a ✅ button. It tells me the song is saved somewhere. I have to tap it to see where, which 1. is completely unintuitive, because tapping a check button would create me the expectation of uncheking it, but it instead shows me a list of playlists! What in the freaking hell? This is decades of UI convention thrown out the windows for a really bad concept.
And 2, being checked doesn’t mean it’s my favorite song, just that it is saved on some playlist. It’s a mistery, which is only solved by tapping the schizophrenic +/✅ button, instead of simply saying to me “yep, you liked this song”.
So… Yeah. I hate Spotify.
I love it because I never use liked songs (I don’t understand how people do, using the same playlist forever. Do your tastes never change? Idk each to their own).
So it means 1: I can easily add songs to multiple playlists at once. I have 4 different playlists that I listen to, and sometimes a song fits all 4, and it used to take 12 taps to add it to all 4 (tap dots, tap add, tap playlist, 4 times). Now it only takes 6.
2: I can now see if the song is already in a playlist. Before the only way was to try adding it to the playlist and see if it warned me of a duplicate.
3: Now I can see at a glance if it’s added to a playlist. If it’s added to 1 playlist then it’s probably added to all the playlists it needs to be.
And you can still add songs to your liked songs in 1 tap. I feel like the reason most people dont like it is because it’s a change that they aren’t used to.
But really, the ideal solution would’ve been if Spotify just added a settings option to change it back to the old way. But Spotify seems to be vehemently opposed to options.
Also, what’s way worse than the new like button is the stupid “smart shuffle”. I just want to turn off shuffle, but now I have to press it again. And it’s also really buggy, it will often display shuffle as off when it’s really on smart shuffle, so I get unpleasantly surprised with some random song I’ve never heard. I really wish there were third party apps for Spotify, cause the Spotify app kinda sucks
I use liked songs exclusively. I mostly use shuffle but I also unlike and like songs that I rediscover in my enormous (≈5000 songs) liked list so the songs end up at the top.
So the songs at the top are the songs that I am listening to currently. If I want something I haven’t heard in a while I just scroll down or use (the suboptimal) shuffle.
Unliking and liking used to be two clicks but now It’s 4 or 6 depending on the song and if it’s in another playlist or not.
I can’t understand why they couldn’t just add two buttons. Modern devices have plenty of screen real estate.
When they tried this last time people got outraged any they rolled back the change. Now Spotify is going ahead anyways.
Funny how it is, the smart shuffle is something I actually like because, when I’m in the mood, it brings something new to the table.
Yeah I just wish there was a toggle.
Also didn’t they have a thing like smart shuffle before, it was just called radio. But they seem to have removed it and replaced it with smart shuffle for playlists. I can only see the radio option for albums. That was better, because then it only did it when I wanted it.
Also what is the change to playlists? I wasn’t aware Spotify had folders. Did they remove them?
Edit: Nevermind they’re still there. What did they change?
That’s a pretty good price, if YT music ever takes away my $8 a month early sign up pricing I’ll probably look at swapping over.
I signed up back when it was “Google Play Music” and was locked into that deal as well. I didn’t want to lose it, but I wanted to upgrade to a family plan. Customer support promised me that if I upgraded, my family plan price would continue to be honored for just as long as the individual plan price.
Spoiler: they lied.
I had my account using a unique-per-service card with a monthly cap and it started rejected their billing attempts when, about a year ago, they abruptly increased my plan price to nearly double what I had been paying.
I had already been using uBlock Origin and Tidal via Plex (even though I don’t actually use Plex, but when I signed up I hadn’t yet decided to use Jellyfin), since I despise the YT Music UI, so for me there wasn’t much of a change.
That said, if you like YT Music / YT Premium then by all means stick with it. The creators of the videos you watch get comped better when you watch them than when a free user does - that was the main reason I kept my subscription for as long as I did.
Who uses YT music when there are so many free clients?
I guess people who also like YT premium
I still regret giving up this plan
Just do it now. Give your money to a company that actually supports artists in a consumer friendly way.
Problem is I have this fantasy of being 95 years old and proudly showing my great great grandchildren how I get YT Music/Premium for $8 instead of the $695 everyone else pays.
That imagined sense of superiority from getting a good deal is pretty much the only thing that keeps me going some days.
I thought they went up for everyone? You’re still paying 8? I was paying 10 for the past like 8 years and mine just went into 14 last month. I opted for the yearly plan at $140 so it’s 11.66/mo so it lessened the blow. I envy you if you’re still paying 8.
If I remember right, people who had YouTube premium got grandfathered in at a lower price, but that lower price didn’t last forever and recently went up.
However people who signed up early for play music all access were told they would get an $8 a month price for signing up early, and that price has persisted until now through all the other price hikes and the change to YT Music.
I signed up for Google play music/YouTube red I believe in 2015 when I got my nexus 6P. It was 10 a month then and I’ve been grandfathered till now. When the prices went up last summer, I was told I had another 6 months or so to keep my grandfathered price before mine would go up as well. Did the OG 8 dollar users not get that email?
No, never got an email like that. I signed up in 2013 I think, when Play Music All Access was announced.
Good for you. I’m a little jealous I was 2 years late lol
Google services don’t last that long, sorry.
So far my $8 deal has outlived the service I got it for, so as long as I keep getting grandfathered in maybe it will stick around.
This won’t happen, you’ll just end up in a shittier world by giving Google more money.
I can’t force you, but your $8 “deal” isn’t worth it.
Anyone in the US can confirm if Tidal it’s free there?
Maybe I would consider paying for tidal but as I am pirating YT music thought ReVanced I think I wouldn’t, so good luck anyway.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Tidal seems to have decided that there just aren’t enough people willing to pay upward of $20 per month for the highest-possible audio fidelity.
At a high level, it sounds like this new, much simpler subscription model will still include all the perks — high-res FLACs, Dolby Atmos mixes, etc.
Now Tidal is caving and throwing in its large catalog of high-res tracks without demanding extra money on top.
With this move, Tidal could be trying to head off an eventual rollout of the rumored “Supremium” Spotify plan and avoid potential subscriber losses.
Either way, it’s an attempt to remain competitive in the streaming music landscape — or at least to stay relevant.
Tidal laid off 10 percent of its staff in December amid other cuts at parent company Block.
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Hope this is rolled out to other countries and not just the US.
Not for Thailand yet, but the Thai price is anyway cheaper
I got the email in Canada, so yes? It’s not uncommon for us to not get things when they do across the border.
UK here, also got the email.
Oh nice! Knowing corporations though I’m just trying to figure out how they are going to screw us on this.
It should be rolled out globally according to Tidal’s support article:
We’re updating our pricing for TIDAL globally
Good news for the seven people who use tidal!
The headline sounded good but the article lists a lot of negatives too. They’re removing discounts for veterans/first responders, they recently laid off 10% of staff, and their price now matches Amazon and Apple. So don’t mistake this for good intention; this is just a business’ survival instincts taking over.
their price now matches Amazon and Apple
That’s a negative?
So don’t mistake this for good intention; this is just a business’ survival instincts taking over.
A business made a business decision, yes. Your point?
