We made certain populations with many comorbidities very aware before they went for sedation on the vent that they would likely never wake up again. It was always a tough conversation and actually pulling the trigger on it while they were suffocating was hard. Most of my job at the time was doing everything I could to keep people who were maxed out in high flow oxygen off the vent.
Oh holy fuck… oh holy fuck…
Yep. I just found this in my Facebook memories and this one was baaaaaad.
Is the dude still an antivaxxer or was there a redemption arc? I feel like we need some before and after posts.
Nah bro, you don’t come back from that. The only way to cope with that level of mental trauma is to convince yourself you’re even more right.
Depressing but true.
He just makes a lot of derogatory comments about women now, and just how Commie Pinko in Chief Joe Biden is ruining all the things. He shut up about COVID
So…he didn’t really learn anything from one of the darkest things that could possibly happen to a person. How…sad.
The problem is that most conservatives are simply incapable of introspection. Everything they do in life is in an effort to not be wrong about anything.
It doesn’t help that there’s a gigantic propaganda machine aimed at people like them. He definitely bares some responsibility, but all of these people are being manipulated. I hate it all so much…
He just makes a lot of derogatory comments about women now, and just how Commie Pinko in Chief Joe Biden is ruining all the things. He shut up about COVID
How could I be wrong about anything when it’s never my fault? /s
No /s
What’s the context?
Edit: I didn’t know what any of this was in reference to. I wasn’t trying to ask for context in order to defend anyone. Apologies.
This guy posted all sorts of antivax crap, and also had made a post that he later took down saying that he’d disown his kids or divorce his wife if they got vaccinated against COVID-19, and then she got it and died.
Oh my god, that’s terrible.
That’s the only way to change their minds unfortunately
This seems like a troll, idk, it’s too funny.
It’s not really funny.
Imagine being manipulated into refusing medical treatment.
This woman had a miserable marriage and died an unnecessary death.
Was it posted to an anti-vaxx group? Good troll.
The good trolls go where their voice can be heard.
Nope he’s real. I can post related shots.
Party of self responsibility get mad when somebody kills them. Bootstraps my ass.
The fact that freedom in the US is conflated with not getting the vaccine is incomprehensible. Something like vaccination should be mandatory with very limited exceptions for truly legitimate cases.
But you can’t read books by black and/or gay authors in some states. The right only likes to cherry pick the freedoms.
They’ve become very anti freedom in fact. Unless it has something to do with a major lobby like guns, or letting corporations pollute air and water, they pretty much are pro restrictions on most things.
“I wanna make a medical choice about my own body…”
The Right: “Ummm…hold on now…”
“And skip my vaccinations!”
The Right: “Oh! You scared me for a second! Carry on then.”
you can’t buy alcohol in some counties.
You can’t get them in school liberties, they’re still available everywhere else
They also want to ban them from public libraries now. If successful, do you think they will stop there? I think it’s likely that they will keep pushing for more restrictions.
There’s a saying I want to make famous: “One man’s freedom ends where another’s begins.” Your freedom not to take a vaccine only lasts as long as it does not affect your neighbor’s rights to live and breathe.
Wearing a mask, quarantine and distancing protected your neighbor. The covid vaccines only protected yourself.
that’s only true if time doesn’t exist.
Given that time does exist, which part is false?
The part that this 2+ year old study doesn’t take into consideration Omicron vaccinations. You’ve been vaccinated against Omicron, like a normal, sane person, haven’t you? At the time this was written, they were only using original strain vaccinations. Where I am, in the present, you can’t even get those any more, they’re so far behind.
Or, are you an idiot, and basing decisions off of out of date papers? Because it seems like you might be.
I bet you don’t even understand how flu vaccines change.
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If you don’t understand virology you could just say that instead of being extremely wrong
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This is literally not understanding virology again
I’m not gonna tell you to take a college course or anything, they literally teach this stuff in first grade
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Literally expecting vaccines to be 100% effective at preventing the disease is the most wishful thinking anyone has ever had about a medical anything ever
A vaccine is not going to prevent it 100% of the time, and constant or frequent exposure to the virus in question will inevitably lead to infection
Oh look it’s an anti-vac moron in the wild!
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Before anyone else engages with that user: it’s a troll. Don’t bother
It’s a popular phrase already
I usually hear it as “Your right to swing your fist ends at my nose.”
Heck, I had to fight to get the vaccine in my country.
I was working at a food bank during covid. I was coming face to face with 200 different people every day. Many of whom were covid positive but because they were homeless they had no where else to go.
I have a genetic condition that effects my sympathetic nervous system. I have sinus bradycardia, and chronic pulmonary congestion due to having over 10 bouts of aspiration pneumonia. On top of this I have an autoimmune condition. I was taking immunosuppression therapy in March 2020, I stopped taking because I couldn’t risk my immune system being suppressed in my line of work. I was so sick because of my untreated autoimmune condition, but I just had to deal with it.
In October we started rolling out the vaccine to our most vulnerable populous. I was eligible because of my autoimmune condition and I was first in line at my local vaccination centre.
But my genetic condition was on the list of contraindications. They were just going to send me away until I broke down crying explaining my job and my risk and my fear of catching covid. So I had to get two doctors to sign off on me getting the vaccine, and I had to make a special vaccine booking because they needed an NP to do a pre-screening and then I had to wait around for 3 hours afterwards and then get a post-vaccination check up and the NP had to sign off.
My booster shots were easier, because I just took my proof of vaccination certificate to the pharmacy and I didn’t even mention my underlying conditions. (I didn’t have that luxury the first time. I had to hand over my medical records to prove I was eligible for the first round of vaccinations. But after my first jab, the fact I had gotten my first dose was proof enough that I was previously approved to be part of the first round, so I didn’t need to present my records to get my boosters)
Trying to get an appointment with two separate doctors during a global pandemic for some red tape paperwork was like pulling teeth.
It should not have been that hard for someone to get a vaccine when they want one. I understood the risks. I’d rather die of a vaccine interaction that helps provide information that makea the vaccine safer for others, than just be another statistic of covid 19.
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Because it lessens the severity of the illness?
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God I haven’t missed this dumb argument in the last 2 years.
Did you consider that it was mandated so that idiots would get it and avoid clogging up hospitals unnecessarily?
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You don’t need “data” to form a logical conclusion from data you already have.
- vaccines reduce hospitalisations
- mandates increase vaccinations
Therefore, mandates reduce the burden on hospitals.
it absolutely occurred. fuck, where I was, the hospitals were already having yellow alerts (where they are full and cannot take new patients, so they have to be redirected), due to understaffing.
Then they had to deal with covid. Yeah, the vaccine worked amazingly well. So did lockdowns and travel restrictions. 2.5 million people, zero covid deaths in 2021.
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2024 and I’m still seeing this shit? Shut the fuck up.
Yeah it makes more sense for vaccines that are, well, better at being vaccines. Something like MMR that actually is effective enough to create hurd immunity. Small pox vaccine was so good it eradicated the disease completely. Covid vaccines are more like flu vaccines - sometimes they work sometimes they don’t. It’s still better than nothing for >95% of people. There are those who respond badly to the covid vaccine too, so it’s technically a gamble either way. While the science says it’s better odds to have the vaccine than not, I can’t force people to take that risk with me.
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In this study, vaccinated Omicron index case-patients seemed to have the same transmission capacity as nonvaccinated persons. We did not find this increased transmission capacity for the Delta variant, where significant differences in SAR were observed in global, household, and occupational settings (Table 1) within groups.
How one variant interacts with vaccination does not describe how every variant does; your own study is, at best, documenting an exeception to the rule that vaccines work.
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10505422/#ref19
They have shown high efficacy against these endpoints in experimental and observational studies (1–13). Evidence suggests that these vaccines also prevent infection (5, 14–18) and potentially reduce transmission (19–23), albeit with smaller effects against the highly transmissible Omicron variant compared with wildtype severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) and earlier variants (24–26).
The exception is Omicron, and evidently isn’t a complete exception anyway.
In addition, as this was a conversation originally about vaccine mandates, one of the first mandates in the US was put into effect ~2 months before Omicron was reported in Nov. 2021. So even if no vaccine or booster did anything to stop transmission of Omicron, the mandates were fully justified given the vaccines definitely did reduce transmission and severity of variants prior to that.
how stupid are you
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tbh i dont even know if you are the person i replied to because the context button still doesnt work XD
I’m so glad to live in a country with mandatory vaccination where conspiracy theorists aren’t given a platform
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Yes, I am happy about it. Go check Nikkei’s report on best recovering countries from COVID-19 we are 7th, you are probably from the US which was ranked 87th and with a much smaller death rate too than your “free” country. Keeping in mind people in the US had access to the vaccine before us, but many chose to enjoy the freedom of catching COVID instead.
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I’m honestly surprised the US isn’t like this just given how powerful big pharma is there
Americans are generally not taught what freedom means… or the careful dance between “freedom to” and “freedom from”. The “golden rule of liberty” - that “your rights end where mine begin, and vice versa” - is utterly alien to most of us. Anything that could limit someone’s “freedom to” is demonized, even when that limit is because the “to” in question brazenly violates everyone else’s “from”.
E.G.
Rational Person: “I have a right to not be harmed by your actions.”
Average Murican: “fAsCiSt!”Vaccine darts would be a huge boon to public health.
I’m old and I remember you just got your little shot card filled up before you went to school and that was that.
I love vaccines. I get any one I can.
You still need that card. My kid would not be allowed into school without it.
Yeah, but nowadays it keeps track of different “shots”.
I don’t know why that is in quotes
Yeah I have a vaccine card from when I was a baby and I’m over 40 so I guess that it wasn’t in good faith.
Oh thank goodness.
Collect them all like Thanos and the infinity stones
I treat vaccines like pokemon…gotta catch em all. If someone offers me a vaccine, I’ll take it, even if it’s for something rare. I just want to be immunized against as many things as possible.
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As much as I like to make fun of the US, in this particular case I have to point out that a lot of other countries have antivaxxers.
Here in France we have an epidemic of them, and the numbers shows they really made covid worse. My own dad is one of them, and he told me dead serious he’d rather get sick than get any vaccine and that’s his choice and nobody should force him. He, and I guess most other antivax too, either does not understand the concept of herd immmunity or doesn’t care about other people.
Also in France… I have new neighbours since 2022 because the old people next door refused to get vaxxed. They both died from covid.
As an American it is horrifying to not be able to argue with this directly, because for every outward appearance it might as well be true.
But the argument I would make is that Americans are not the dumbest people in the world, Americans are simply allowed to survive and visibly prosper in spite of, and sometimes because of, their obvious stupidity. And combining this with the entitlement inherent in ‘just happening to be born here’ and the relative complete lack of suffering most of them experience, makes it easy for them to publicly hold opinions that people in most countries would either have to keep to themselves for their own personal safety, or just because few others are willing to join arms with them.
Basically it’s a constantly building bubble that could happen anywhere, and to smaller degrees probably happens all over the world in small communities, but here it’s a bubble that for some reason has been resistant to popping, to the point where any attempts to pop it are easily avoided due to it’s mass and ridiculously protective userbase.
Look at the UK and Brexit, or Russia and the mass of people outwardly supporting Putin, or the Middle East and apparent support of honor killings. Even if the majority of the people living in these areas don’t agree with this outward support, fear or resignation or something stops them from being the loud voice in the space. In the US it might be closer to resignation or hopelessness, but across the world we’re all really the same when you sit down and talk normally…there are stupid people everywhere you look, here we just don’t have a good way to embarrass them into shutting up.
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Fuck off. You think tik tok and social media is reality? The reality is that there have always been willfully ignorant people and there always will be. In every population. Your generalizations really reflect yourself huh?
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To be fair, America has a health system that gains from keeping people ill and medicated, and after Tuskegee there is little trust in the government either.
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That’s a large number of people to be irrational about.
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You live in LA dumbass 🤣
poor bastard was failed by the US schools, he doesn’t even know what country LA is in.
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Anti-science is anti-reality
BRUH. You posted this without any shame or irony on facebook. That is next level boomer obliviousness.
It has to be true because it’s on Facebook!
No antivaxxer is going to admit this in the open to anyone.
And then everyone clapped…
I’m 90% sure I was able to find the correct person the post belongs to. They’re listed as widowed. They live in/are from areas that you would stereotypically expect a person to be taking horse dewormer instead of getting vaccinated. His public comments are full of typical boomer humor memes, misogynistic gems like (copied right from his page) “ Just heard an interesting fact….25% of women are being treated for mental illness….that means 75% are running around untreated 🤣🤣🤣”, guns, and more gems like this: E: image didn’t upload. It was a side-by-side image of a muzzled dog and a woman wearing a large covid mask titled “obedience training”.
You’d be surprised how many abusers will tell on themselves thinking they are sharing a story about how something unfair was said to them. Then they give you the backstory as they relay it to a friend where they think it’s a safe space. A lot of assholes will still staunchly think they are in the right. Sadly a lot of their friends will join in on a toxic journey with them too. YouTube comments are pretty rife with these cliques.
Absolutely correct this post comes off as “This is the bad thing my wife said to me before she died and I’m too oblivious to realize it was my fault”. I’ve seen the same shit with couples looking for validation after a nasty breakup.
Yup. I used to follow a YouTube channel run by a couple, then they had a harsh breakup and she left the channel. Some time later she comes forward with allegations of abuse against him, and I’m like “okay but this is just her side of the story, what if it’s all bullshit?”.
Then he addressed the allegations. The way he addressed them, to me, was exposing himself FAR more than anything she said. It was like watching a movie villain monologue. Really scary how skewed those people’s perceptions are.
You’re giving them waaaay too much credit
But I’m not. Antivaxxers need to appear infallible. They can’t be seen being wing or to blame for anything.
There’s no way one would admit that a loved one blamed them for their death.
yea, seems far fetched to me too
If my wife told me I killed her I’d take that to the grave. A very early alcohol induced grave.
It’s just too weird.
One that he would bother to admit it.
Two, even if he had the self awareness to reflect upon it, how “coy” he was being.
- First a vague reference that no one could possibly react to except to ask for details if they had their interest piqued.
- Then a follow-up to make it more pointed, but still conspicuously omitting the actual meat of the situation. Seemingly calibrated to try to elicit engagement after the first attempt failed
- Finally sharing the meat of the situation only after a little engagement and direct question
Enter all of the people who have been shown they’ve been duped, and respond with “Why can’t you just let people enjoy things?”
Oh, right. This isn’t reddit.
He’s not admitting shit, he’s trying to gain sympathy and comfort from his friends, family, strangers, anyone! I wonder what his kids think of him after this?
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he didnt force anybody, being stupid is not a crime
If it makes you feel better, it probably never happened.
It did happen. And he’s still free, was posting yesterday.
what would you arrest him for exactly?
Even if it did, his wife isn’t there to say he stopped her in a legal fashion. Like she is a grown adult that made a horrible decision to support her husband. But I don’t think it’s a legal manslaughter or something along those lines.
I do however feel it’s morally fucked up.
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There’s no way in hell that this man didn’t regularly beat his wife. She did what he told her to do and that’s how she survived. Blame her all you want, but just know that you’re a victim shamer.
There’s no way in hell that this man didn’t regularly beat his wife.
you just made that up
Just my assessment from personal experience and context clues from the Facebook post. I could be true or not. I don’t really care anymore, either way, it doesn’t affect me. And, I’ve already said my piece.
that isn’t an open invitation to help a person hurt themselves. Opportunistic manipulators aren’t blameless. Domestic violence is a complex issue you can’t blame the victims entirely for what another person does to them. Stop encouraging psychopathic culture.
There are many women that are not given a choice, not every woman is in a situation where they can act autonomously within a relationship to a man. This antivaxxer was at least a manipulator and very well could have been an abuser or domestic threat to her, so much that she would not go behind his back out of fear. Her moment of power was at the end where she could finally be honest to him without consequence.
It’s shitty that many women live in this world, and your response really shows a lack of understanding or caring.
It’s shitty that many women live in this world, and your response really shows a lack of understanding or caring.
lol what, you are the one depriving them of any agency because “hurr durr poor dumb women”
No, since your comment was removed by a mod I suppose you’ve forgotten, that is what you were saying. It isn’t a lack of intelligence, it’s a lack of means and safety that many have. Not everyone has those luxuries, and this woman was clearly one that didn’t have that measure of independence or security to defy and/or leave.
Profile pic checks out
I miss the old /r/hermancainaward before they started blocking out people’s faces. They all pretty much looked just like this dude, but it made all the posts much more real seeing the people that posted them.
Make a lemmy version?
Nah, I feel like the moment has past
Was a great sub in its heyday.
Like a car crash made of spite and the little bit of Social Darwinism in your head you can never quite make go away.
Lol I think you mean Darwin Awards. Social Darwinism is a
punk band from the west coastracist ideology from the 1800sYou shouldn’t confuse something racists (and fascists) latch on to with something being inherently racist.
Social Darwinism is the idea that “survival of the fittest” applies to human behavior. Taken further it ultimately states that the “strong” deserve the resources they can take from “weak” by virtue of being able to take it, but on a casual usage level applied to, for example, anti-vaxers, it means they fell for the rhetoric and therefore deserved to die.
They had a flaw, and nature removed them from the gene pool as a result. Or they had a strength, and were rewarded for it. That’s the core idea. Racists, fascists, and capitalists love the idea, of course, because it’s very easy to map their nonsense on to that core principle.
Success becomes a virtue in and of itself, and the reality of simple luck, circumstance, social pressures or systemic injustice is ignored. There is only failure or success. It also implies that helping those in difficulty is a “sin,” that you are encouraging the “weak” to reproduce and thus weaken the human race.
That would be where the Darwin and Herman Cain awards start mapping onto Social Darwinism. Ultimately, both are communities revelling in other humans removing themselves from the gene pool.
They were weak, they were stupid, they had it coming, and therefore it is okay to mock their tragedies because they did it to themselves.
It’s a pretty contemptible thought, once you spell it all out, isn’t it?
You were literally talking about a tongue in cheek Darwin effect/Darwin Awards the entire time. Social Darwinism is a line of thought meant to apply racist misunderstandings of Darwin’s ideas to humans.
Sources:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Darwinism
(Seriosly the wiki is good)
https://socialwelfare.library.vcu.edu/issues/social-darwinism-poor/
https://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/darwin/evolution-today/social-darwinism
Bro, I don’t know what to tell you if you don’t want to admit they’re related.
The face of a man who would spend 75% of his pension each month on insulin just to own the libs.
It’s not that I don’t believe this didn’t happen, I don’t believe this happened in the way that is orchestrated.
I could not imagine a relationship where the last words of spouse ends up being an attack on the significant other. I fully believe that people are probably unvaccinated due to a significant other saying no, vaccinations are bad, but I don’t see a world where they actually mentioned this as the last three words.
the entire matter is super sad though
You don’t see a world where being sick, on your death bed, and about to be out on a vent, makes you say some hurtful things to a loved one that contributed to you being in pain?
People don’t think things like this will effect them until they do. I can totally see a SO trusting their spouse with figuring out if a new vaccine is safe to take, because some people are too busy with other aspects of their life to look into that stuff. That’s what happens in relationships. Then when you get sick and reality hits you, your thoughts changed. You’re in pain and not thinking logically.
My wish is the surviving spouse learns from this and becomes a big pro-vaccine advocate, but…yeah fat chance.
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Modern men are so wimpy nowadays that they let a bunch of germs do the job. Smh /s
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That makes them wimpier than our chad primitive sabertooth fighting ancestors who had endurance beyond any of those modern athletes. The enshittification of man has gone too far.
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I had only heard of it once prior, in an piece which was discussing how the profit motive has lead companies to begin prioritizing offering cheaper, but lower-quality/less-reliable products or services.
I cannot recall what example they gave, but I think it had to do with complaining about tech companies (like Apple or Google maybe) for the typical ‘creating the problem to sell you the solution’ type of release schedule (staggering) for the eventual implementation of new design improvements into their hardware/software. Presumably, the sales team thinks that method can help them sell more over time (or at the very least, have something to mention in the continuous marketing cycle without having to create a SALE in order to attract new customers)
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Yes, profit motivated companies reduce the physical quality of men by locking them in cubicles. Enshittification everywhere.
How did he force her to not get vaccinated? She’s a grown ass woman
Ah yes, conservative women. Known for their full autonomy and independent thinking
You can coax even a grown-ass person to not take the vaccine via misinformation and guilt tripping. Covid is only like 4 years ago it should be still fresh in everyone’s mind.
By bombarding her with antivaxxer propaganda and threatening her with divorce if she got it sadly.
Grown or not, some people are very much under their spouse’s control because of money and other vulnerability.
Sure, but that kind of thing mostly refers to housing and income. It would be trivial to get vaccinated without telling your spouse or anyone else who wants to make a big deal out of it. This lady made the bet that appeasing her husband was more important than getting vaccinated and she lost that bet. Her husband certainly bears a large portion of the blame for creating the situation she found herself in but she could have easily found her way out of it without causing a fuss. She chose not to.
I don’t think you’ve been in a relationship like what I’m talking about, and I’m glad for you. Emotional abuse is terrifying. I live it and it’s absolutely killing me and because of money I can do nothing different.
I hate hearing that you’re in this situation. I know there are a lot of things that make it hard to escape but I hope one day you’re able to. I don’t know if you’re in the US but just in case: thehotline.org leads to the national domestic violence hotline’s website, which has an easy X button to press if you have to close it quickly. The website says they can help in cases of emotional abuse and when people are stuck due to finances.
I really wish you the best OP <3
Thank you. Unfortunately I am not and I’d never leave my dogs behind, but some days are really awful.
Not matter how insurmountable it may seem, I suggest you take a few minutes, each day, week, month to plan an escape in secret. Find allies outside of the relationship. Leave nothing behind you cannot replace, especially child and animals.
Make multiple escape plans, no matter how unlikely they seem.
The more the better so when an opportunity presents itself you are already read and just go. The element of surprise is critical.
I think that’s a wonderful idea.
I’m sure it is a very unpleasant situation to be in. That doesn’t change the fact that getting vaccinated is simple, cheap, and as anonymous as you would like it to be.
Is it? Did she have her own transportation? Was she able to leave the house without her husband’s knowledge, or without him keeping tabs on her?
What you’re doing is victim blaming at its finest. Just stop.
You can call it whatever you like but it won’t make what I’m saying any less true. Getting vaccinated is intentionally easy to do. Laws prohibit doctors and any organization with access from sharing medical records. A shitty spouse has less control over this choice than the vast majority of choices in your life.
I’m sending the message to anyone reading this that it is possible to get vaccinated even if there are people in your life who don’t want you to do that. What are you doing besides telling people it’s important to get vaccinated unless it’s a bit more difficult than it should be? Who does that help? Everyone already knows that abusive spouses are dicks. That fact doesn’t need any more attention.
It’s not a universal truth that you can just choose to get a vaccination without making an appointment or needing to involve insurance etc.
In a hypothetical extreme scenario, imagine having to weigh the risks between getting the vaccine that will potentially save your life and unexpectedly getting an appointment reminder text/email or follow-up contact that alerts the controlling partner and they potentially end your life for the “transgression.”
The vaccine being “cheap” is also not universal and if you aren’t allowed personal discretionary spending anything >$0 isn’t cheap enough.
Oh no! So sorry to hear that
💙🦴🦴🌑
Thank you. Some days really just suck the rigid cock of Satan these last few years.
Leave Satan out of this; all he does is punish bad people, facilitate gangbangs and spawn metal bands
Damn
Yo your internet unrestricted? (Imaging upskilling you into a position of self sufficiency, a guy can dream right)
Yes all that’s wide open. I’m not like locked in a cage, I attend two decent jobs every day and I do have friends. But the huge insurmountable problems could only be fixed by a big windfall and some power over my life.
On the bright side I have gotten vaccinated against COVID seven times now so at least I’ll probably live.
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Ok, I get what you’re saying, but she could have just gotten vaccinated without him knowing.
Yeah, I know, easy for me to say. But at some point, you need to take agency over your own decisions.
There’s people who can’t leave the house without their spouse tailing along.
Are you for real “for real”? This is OC and you know the backstory?
Yeah I stumbled across him on Facebook in 2021. He took a lot of those posts down, the ones that said he’d divorce her id she got the vaccine, but I saw them all.
Yeah but did you see them as a person on the land or as your corporate form?
Both, it’s was weird.
Fuck man, I read the title but still, seeing it spelled out, fuck. That’s some heavy shit.
Deserved too. I blame the dipshit that was president for it though. All he had to do was say to wear a mask and get vaccinated and so many lives would have been saved. The whole fighting over it would never have happened. It’s really pathetic, and these mouthbreathers are trying to vote his dumbass back in.
He could have sold red masks to match his hats, he would have made a killing, the Jan 6 insurrectionists would have covered their faces. turns out his stupid countered his evil.
If I recall correctly Trump did originally, but back-peddled the moment he faced the slightest push-back from his mouth-breathing constituency.
The weak man’s idea of a strongman, indeed.
I’m probably wrong, but I thought it went the other way? That he started out calling it no big deal, then shifted to mask mandates and vaccines are communism, then the whole ivermectin and injecting bleach thing, and then when he got caught getting vaccinated, he tried to backpedal and tell people to get vaccinated, but he immediately went back to calling it a hoax and whatever else when he got even a tiny bit of outrage from his base.
It doesnt matter what the order was; he was a shitty leader doing shitty leadership to impress shitty people, and now a shitty resistance is allowing a shitty loser to do the same shitty job again
Nope. Just like immigration reform getting tanked.
He was always on board with the vaccines until he got booed at an event for promoting the vaccines. Then he became, outwardly, pro-vaccine (but more quietly), and anti-mandate.
He was always anti-mask. And he tried to downplay Covid in general because he didn’t want the Dow Jones Industrial Average to drop.
Survival of the fittest on display. If you’re dumb enough to believe what a Cheeto tells you, then you get what’s coming to you.
