Outlook got updated on my iPhone last night and now they want me to agree to having my data shared with 807 partners.
Important note: I don’t use outlook as my primary email provider. I use Proton with a custom domain but I keep outlook for some old emails.
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I wonder how many people haven’t realised that the new Mail/Outlook client, the one they’re pushing everyone towards in Windows, actually syncs all your mail to MS servers.
I have. Happily using Thunderbird now.
I’m so glad I don’t have to rely on Microsoft products anymore. Windows completely went to shit after 7.
I haven’t. Mozilla Thunderbird FTW.
Also, I seem to recall my dad migrating to a new machine borking his email because of something like that. ( I didn’t catch the details. he was grumbly and growly in ways only a unix admin could be.)
Yeah, Microsoft is trying to normalise the idea that your own personal email client should be open to them to access and steal your data so they can advertise at you.
Fuck windows and fuck outlook.
Thunderbird is free and entirely private on all platforms (And K9 mail on Android is also maintained by the Thunderbird team)
Full thunderbird for android when? 💔
Ridiculous. How can someone write “we value your privacy” and then share data with 807 partners. If I share anything with 8 people I pretty much consider it public information already, unless I have a very good reason to trust them. Sharing something with 807 companies is probably less private than taking all that data, putting it up on a billboard, and placing that billboard next to the busiest place in town.
Doublespeak
807 is too big for a typical auditorium.
Imagine an auditorium filled to capacity with people standing at the back and crouching in the rows. At the front of the auditorium a Microsoft spokesman is saying “Ok partners, here’s the confidential data. Make sure nobody shares it beyond this room. Ok, so David wrote a letter to his mother Nancy on March 2nd, which included the keywords ‘prostate’, ‘cancer’ and ‘diagnosis’. If you’d like to use those words to show David some ads, go right ahead – but make sure nobody beyond this room knows this confidential information. Next up is Martha…”
There is a monetary value in what you want to keep private, so of course they value your privacy.
And what exactly qualifies as “legitimate interest”?
I think this is so they can have it auto toggled on per some EU regulations, forcing you to go through and untoggle every single one with “legitimate interest”.
It’s what I assume, anyway
“Legitimate interest” refers to that which lawmakers have considered to be the “legitimate interest” of private companies, that is, making money selling your data. “Illegitimate interest” would probably be using your private information to blackmail you.
I understand the legal meaning. It’s all hogwash regardless. Nearly everything can be explained away as legitimate interests by claiming “marketing research” and “advertising”.
Just curious what you’re up to, bud
Something utterly deranged, which is why I care about my privacy. I swear to god if Mozilla starts indexing my mail to train their crappy AI project, I will lose it.
I’m legitimately interested in getting the bank account & sort code details of Elon, Bezos, Arnault, Zuckerberg, Gates, Ballmer, Buffet, Ellison, Page, and Brin.
That ist something I ask myself, too. It’s so irritating, having to decline all these greasy fingered little fuckers one-by-one. That is just a way for me, nowadays, to delete the app completely.
$$$
I was also curious about this and just had a chat with gpt 3.5 about it, and it gave an example of “a bank collecting data to detect and prevent fraud” as a valid legitimate interest and “a company collecting data to sell to advertisers” as an invalid legitimate interest.
It also said that legitimate interests must be explained, as on what interests they are, why they are considered legitimate, how the processing of that data accomplishes that interest and any potential impact it has on the user’s privacy and freedom.
Based on this, I think “legitimate interest” is being used as a reason instead of a category that covers genetic legitimate reasons that should still be explained, not hand waved as “legitimate interest”.
Though I believe this only applies in the context of the GPDR (because the bot specifically mentioned it), and might vary in other jurisdictions.
I think that my record is just over 3000 legitimate partners
“We value your privacy” in the same way my dog values a steak dipped in peanut butter.
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807 partners sounds like the answer to what’s the point of ad blockers
Some third parties may have a legitimate interest.
Some.
They did that before. They just didn’t tell you how many partners!
At least there’s a “reject all” button.
That’s GDPR coming through.
At least it doesn’t say “Accept all” or “pay (monthly)”.
The other alternative is “Accept All” or “Decline each one Individually by clicking three buttons to confirm your choice”
That would actually be a preference. If it’s a free product making money off of user data and advertising, having the choice to pay would be better for privacy concerns. If the app is worth it if course.
If they say they won’t share any data if we pay, we can trust then…
You have the choice not to use the app if you don’t trust it.
Not yet
That would be great, as long as “pay monthly” was guaranteed surveillance-free.
What happens if you reject?
Does outlook stop working?
Your ads aren’t creepily specific to you anymore
Great, I love getting all the “looking for single women in your area?” ads instead…
I find the non-personalized ads to be much more palatable, as they don’t pull on the strings that would normally get my interest. YouTube once had a 6 second beer ad that only included the crack of a can opening (sound) and the view of some mountains. It was actually kind of refreshing, and I didn’t gain interest whatsoever in the product! I don’t drink! I’m all for ads like that, if I have to be abused by an ad.
Yeah well I’m not too keen on adult nigh-x-rated ads showing up for my kids to see, who are both younger than 5… I’m “okay” with it, myself, but I don’t exactly like it. But I’m furious regarding my kids seeing it.
Definitely need to get me a pi-hole.
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Many apps share some data right at the start of the app though, before the consent form even pops up.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Outlook did that
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the reject all button should atleast be normalized
atleast
Not a word.
be normalized
The default for sure.
Not a word.
So they missed the space bar, do you really need to be a douchenozzle about it?
chad europe union, to expose that shit
I love so many things that EU has done especially with GDPR But then they come up with this crap and you wonder what they were thinking
You are right. How do they still allow plastic bottles ? That’s a huge waste of ressources.
It actually is part of my point… i dont understand why they need to over complicate things
This looks great! I wish we had this in Australia.
I’m sure it will come. The first time I drank from one of these I was confused and thought my cap had a manufacturing defect so pulled it off. It was only afterwards that I saw on the packaging what it was.
They were thinking that those caps were among the top items found littering beaches. So they put forward this measure to attempt to curb that issue.
Nobody should be buying single use bottles anyway if there are alternatives available. Maybe that’s the quiet part - making them less attractive to consumers
Drinking from a can only works from one side, so I guess think of it that way.
But are they though? Personally i see many bottles littered and even more lids from cups. Actually why are straws replaced with paper but the lids are still plastic? And why not ban plastic bottles alltogether like they’ve done with so many other things?
I don’t know, it’s what they said. Maybe bottles are easier to clean up. They said “among” the most frequent items, so perhaps you’re right that those other things are worse, but there haven’t been reasonable alternatives suggested
it’s a change expected to prevent 10% of the litter in european beaches, to be fair, the true fix could be ban plastic lol
Plastics legislation is often incredibly patchwork and politicised-feeling. It’s a good idea, but I kind of think Extended Producer Responsibility would have gotten the job done better.
Nobody should be buying single use bottles anyway if there are alternatives available. Maybe that’s the quiet part - making them less attractive to consumers
Wow. I got played. I did finally switch to just drinking tap water and the number of single use plastic bottles I go through each weak is down by 90% or smth. Just like 2-3 bottles of coke left. I buy some local off-brand stuff cause screw big corporations.
Nobody should be buying single use bottles anyway if there are alternatives available.
Are there alternatives available for carbonated beverages? I guess we could go back to glass bottles. But, they’re effectively single-use too.
We’ve come a long way, so that it’s normal to take a thermos to a coffee shop and have them put a tea or a coffee in it. I don’t know of any similar scheme for carbonated beverages. I’d love it if it existed, especially if you could keep your soda-pop cold for hours.
Glass bottles are not always single use. Countries have systems to recollect them (empty bottles hold a face value), they get factory-cleaned and quality tested and each bottle can run for 20 or more cycles. The issue is more that it increases the transportation and handling costs and emissions because of weight. Bottles that don’t pass the test anymore but did stay in the system can get near 100% recycled, tho the issues there are that it’s usually downgrade (make dark bright again = hard) and very energy intensive (costs more energy to recycle than to make glass from scratch). Anyhow: not single use.
Do you actually wonder?
Those caps get lost way less and since the bottles themselves usually get recycled now the caps also stay in the cycle.
And it took me like 5 bottles to get used to it.
Even a slow learner should get it sooner or later.I think the intend here is pretty obvious? I also think the reaction over it is kinda overblown.
I totally understand the intention. It just doesn’t work irl. Especially with youghurt and milk cartons. I assume they will do the same to detergents too?
I buy a pack of juice each week that has the same cap and it’s absolutely no problem at all. I honestly don’t know how it “doesn’t work” for you.
Although exaggerated, this guy sums it up pretty well
https://youtu.be/twhYOMQ4MPw?si=r8Ri2RZOOUob5uez
Also i live in a country with a quite well functioning recycling system so loose caps or bottles or even cans is not really an issue.
So i guess the frustration is mostly at making a solution to a problem that was not there. And at best applying a solution across the whole eu to a problem that maybe is not there in all countries
Can’t relate at all to that. The cap stays pretty much in a diagonal position when open. But if you’re so paranoid you could also turn it sideways, or even down and have it push against the outside of your glass. Putting the cap back on is also absolutely not an issue at all. You just do the regular left turn first until it aligns with the thread and plops into place, same thing you’d do normally, because it’s obviously long enough for that. Honestly, this whole video just seems like caveman / complete moron issues if I’m gonna be honest, like some apes trying to figure out simple tools. But I guess people nowadays have to cry about anything changing all the time, even when they’re complete non issues.
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I like it especially on the milk cartons. They really don’t matter if you pour it into something to drink like my coffee.
I think milk is one of the few that do work. Youghurt and sodas are a lot more inconvenient and in the long run i can’t see how much more they help compared to banning plastic bottles. I don’t see that many loose caps in the wild
You should know better than to resort to whores with 807 partners. you’ve gone past the red flag into the red zone territory.
By value they mean how much they salivate about selling it for profit.
Literally beyond parody
