A 6th grade girls team from Kentucky was set to go for the year-end championship tournament, but was told they were banned due to fears boys teams might ‘retaliate’ if they lost to the girls team.
My favorite sport to watch is girls volleyball…I don’t like to watch sports in general
Most people treat me like a creep when I bring it up, but it’s way more dynamic and interesting than men’s volleyball. I used to scorekeep the sport, women’s volleyball is just more entertaining
IDGAF about basketball to start with, but if the boys can’t compete we should throw them by the wayside. I don’t get why this is even a question
If people’s first thought about women’s volleyball is that it’s purely a sport for Voyeurism, then that’s their bag to unpack on their own time. I watch Women’s Gymnastics and Figure Skating since my wife got me into it and I won’t entertain that shit with my friends. If I wanted to watch something just because there’s hot people in it, then I’ll just watch some regular ass porn.
I definitely won’t shy away from the fact that there are incredibly attractive women participating at an elite level in these sports, but I’m all about equal opportunity and will also absolutely recognize some hot bros doing gymnastics and figure skating. Usually shuts people up when I start talking about how hot football players are on the team they like to rattle on about forever.
If people’s first thought about women’s volleyball is that it’s purely a sport for Voyeurism, then that’s their bag to unpack on their own time.
Tell that to the International Volleyball Federation who mandated bikinis for female beach volleyball players until last year.
Which is an entirely different format to general women’s volleyball…
Yes. Both indoor and beach. Those women are amazing athletes.
I like men’s sports only, I think girl sports suck.
Is this ok to feel? Or are my feelings invalid, and I’m a woman hating psychopath who should kill myself?
I will let your raging downvotes decide.
I’ve given it some time… Look at your votes. For the record, I didn’t participate
You turned a very average, very mediocre stance into a way to victimize yourself.
“I don’t like women’s sports” is a valid take, "women’s sports suck " is a trash opinion.
No, proven a point that online outrage movement still has no arguments, and zero ctitical thinking skills. Nice jumping to conclusions though.
Again, look at your votes - your comment is still sitting at 2 votes. Presumably, one person upvoted you
Hell, I’d go as far as to say “women’s sports are boring” is the mainstream opinion.
No Internet outrage movement took place here… No one tried to offer you empty arguments or dogpile you with a lack of critical thinking skills.
Whoever you expected to fight didn’t show up.
Either they’re not here, they don’t exist, or their beliefs aren’t quite what you think they are
Or they refused to entertain me, which is quite some progress if you ask me considering the usual outrage the second the word “woman”, “gay”, or “trans” appears in a sentence.
I literally said your stance is the norm, your first comment is still at 2 votes. No one else has engaged
Who are you arguing against?
You’re victimizing yourself and shadow boxing in the corner.
You can wake up… That’s what being “woke” actually means, always has. It’s waking up from being an NPC
More sources that go into depth on what happened and the fallout …
https://www.rawstory.com/next-level-basketball/
https://www.wvxu.org/sports/2024-03-04/kentucky-girls-basketball-team-banned-southwestern-ohio
And maybe this is why the girls were shut down … On Feb 28 in an event in Alabama the girl’s team, who were forced to play in the boy’s league, won the championship but the trophy went to the losers instead.
Next Level Girls Basketball is a youth team based in Wilder, Ky., that coaches girls from the 3rd grade level through high school. The team’s highest level players are competing for scholarships to play in college, but many others are there just because they like playing basketball.
I’d like to know the age of the competing teams. These were sixth year level students, the first game was played by, as I can make out from the article, a stand-in team of 6th graders (boys).
I’d want to know if they only met other 6th grade teams after that, or what the age composition of both teams were, because I feel like that could potentially be a factor.
"Subsequently, their first game was filled in by a boys 6th grade Next Level team … It wasn’t until late January/early February that several teams from the 6th grade division started traveling down to Kentucky to play their scheduled games, that it became apparent that the Next Level team was, in fact, a girls team."
Thanks for those extra links, when I saw that site’s address I thought “is this another onion?”
So the league decided to preemptively retaliate on behalf of the hypothetical violent boys?
That’s not why they were kicked out. The coach lied, to get them playing in the boys league, since they were so good.
So of course they got kicked out. What you expect the league to do?He explained:
“In November of 2023, Next Level and Larry McGraw deceptively registered a girls team into the 6th grade boys league and under the gender listed as MALE.”
“We entered them into the league assuming they were a boys’ team as conveniently no roster was ever provided.”
“Subsequently, their first game was filled in by a boys 6th grade Next Level team because they played the 6th grade boys Cincinnati Royals team - coached by myself, so there was no reason to suspect anything different.”He continued:
“It wasn’t until late January/early February that several teams from the 6th-grade division started traveling down to Kentucky to play their scheduled games, that it became apparent that the Next Level team was, in fact, a girls team.”
“Several complaints from coaches and teams were filed because of this deception.”Social media users, however, saw SWOB’s statement as deflecting from another issue, one that accused the league of trying to keep their feelings from getting hurt in the event the boys were defeated by girls.
that is some selective bullshit
Seriously. What this tells me is that 70+ people either didn’t read the article or they just really have a thing about mixed gender sports. You quoted only the pathetic backpedalling lies he said to try to further justify his actions. BUT FIRST AND FOREMOST he said this (the man you are quoting, Sunderland, is the president)
The city-wide basketball league, Southwestern Ohio Basketball (SWOB), made the call because they believed that 11 to 12-year-old girls and boys competing against each other on the court could pose a liability risk leading to violence, even though the girls team had been winning 7-1 all season without incident.
IT IS WHY THEY WERE KICKED OUT.
It wasn’t until late January/early February that several teams from the 6th-grade division started traveling down to Kentucky to play their scheduled games, that it became apparent that the Next Level team was, in fact, a girls team.
You’re telling me it took multiple games AND teams for them to become "apparent that it was a girls team " ??? And become a problem. But only until they got far enough because maybe they wouldn’t and then SWOB could avoid PR problem all together.
this is a reminder to read the fucking article people
You might come up with a similar conclusion as me, or completely opposite. But OP is patently false and deceptive with their quote and definitive ruling on it, claiming the headline is deceptive! Fuck that.
You might have quoted the wrong part. This is what you’re looking for:
Doing this 28 years, what we have worried about is a boys team losing to a girls team (especially in the year end tourney), they may get frustrated and retaliate against a girl. Then we have liability issues.”
Also it looks like the guts of the article is the media statement here:
It’s a daft thing to say, and just pours fuel on the conflagration, but it does reveal some insights into the character of the guy.
“Either you agree with me or you hate women” is a pretty silly opening argument…
Damn even stretch armstrong couldn’t reach that far
Why not, Israel seems to be doing fine with this kinda opening
So if I understand it correctly, it’s a boys only competition, not an open competition. And since these girls were so good, they wanted to be able to compete against the top teams, so they pulled of a superb ruse to be able to do just that, in the process upsetting some men who don’t want to compete against girls for reasons, especially if they end up losing. That’s going to make a good sport movie one day.
Many (most?) sports have a top “open” competition that anyone can enter and then several restricted competitions (age, sex, handicaps, …), but even if you qualify for one of the restricted competitions, if you’re good enough, you can still play in the open competition. Except in bible belt country apparently, no girls allowed in the top competition.
He also said it wasn’t unheard of for a girl to play on a boys’ team or for a girls’ team to compete against boys.
It sounds like it’s not a boys only competition. It’s not entirely clear whether this quote is just referring to in general or this specific league, but based on the context the latter appears to be the intended reading.
These are 6th graders. There’s no “top” competition for 6th graders at all, which is why this is a region specific league, and most of the sports are divided into boys and girls divisions at those ages.
Why is it divided by sex?
I can only speak about my nation’s club football (the world kind, not the us one): the normal competition is open to anyone, with smaller competitions for other groups. Those smaller competitions have discriminatory rules for entry, but players that meet those criteria, can still chose to play in the normal competition if they want to. The “normal” competition has many more brackets than the smaller competitions because there’s just way more players, which also means that if you want to play vs the best, that’s where they are. It’s the same principle for all ages.
I can imagine that at one point the football competition in my country had similar “no girls allowed” rules, but when I grew up in the nineties, the football competition that I played in was already mixed.
I don’t know. I didn’t go to school near Ohio, but my state had some sports divided by sex and some not at that age. In my area, it seemed to be largely that the popular sports were divided, and the less popular sports were not.
The way to change it is either to ask for it to be changed by the existing organizerd, or form a new league if they won’t, and enough parents want that.
So the article is wrong, but this still doesn’t make it OK. The article should have just been accurate. That would have been nice.
The headline is misleading. What I pulled was from the article.
What was in the article is that the girls team was kicked out of the league when the only game left was the championship game. You’d think if it was just the “no girls allowed” issue that would have been dealt with much earlier…
Did you read the article? I think you should. I’m not being snarky, promise.
That’s a whole different kind of sucky.
I’m completely bumfuzzled about this.
Even if you are technically right, you are morally wrong. They should be allowed to register in that league, and if they weren’t then the coach lying about their gender was the correct and moral thing to do.
Crazy to watch people twist themselves in knots bending over backwards to try and excuse sexism.
But I don’t even think you are technically right. All those quotes stink like excuses and BS.
It wasn’t until late January/early February that several teams from the 6th grade division started traveling down to Kentucky to play their scheduled games, that it became apparent that the Next Level team was, in fact, a girls team. Several complaints from coaches and teams were filed because of this deception.
At that point we allowed the team to finish the regular season schedule, but would move them into a girls’ tourney at year end.
This is a direct quote from the Southwestern Ohio Basketball website.
They allowed the girls to play until the end of the season in the boy’s category, so your take on it is incorrect.
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I find this to be a common problem on Lemmy.
LoL. Lemmy is definitely feels over reals so far. And my feeling appreciates that.
Didn’t you read the title of the blog post? Of course they’re evil!
The headline was accurate. Read the article.
Oh, great idea, but I was just guessing, I don’t read articles, only what other people think, and then I just go with that.
The headline is correct, but it doesn’t tell the whole story was my point you absolute doofus.
Did you read the article (and linked statements) or not? The league stated the reason the girls couldn’t play and that reason that a boy might not be able to handle avoiding hitting a girl if they lose. None of this would be an issue if the girls weren’t winning. I don’t buy for a second that nobody noticed all season that they were losing to girls.
You mean the blog post on “comicsands.com”?
And this erudite take by “Prez, a social media user on X (Formerly Twitter)”, who “didn’t buy it”?
Yes, I did! Multiple times, unfortunately!
It’s ridiculous to be so ready to fall for populist propaganda when you just happen to be on the self-congratulatory team, but the mode of thinking is the exact same as employed by MAGA freaks.
Your lack of critical thinking makes you just as bad as them.
The way I see it, when you’re a sports executive, you have two options in this situation: 1) exclude the girls’ team because “dem’s the rules” or 2) let them play because seeking out the boys’ competition will help them develop into a stronger team.
Personally, I think 1) is a weak choice, especially when arguments like “someone could get hurt” are both ripe with misogynistic sentiment and refuted by the games played without incident.
In the statement on their website, Sunderman literally quotes himself telling McGraw that the girls couldn’t play because if they beat a boys team in the playoffs then the boys might get frustrated and physically retaliate, causing a liability issue.
He didn’t say they couldn’t play because they registered as a boys team. That was more of a supporting anecdote presented because of social media blowback.
So they are punishing the victims?
No just the girls
That’s 11 years old.
Okay let’s hear all the excuses for 11 year olds needing to be super competitive and separated by gender.
At 11, girls tend to be taller than boys. So all that estrogen is providing them with a competitive advantage.
Then they should make 2 leagues: one where everyone is allowed to participate, and another one where only boys can participate, so they can win too. Just like we have with every sport’s women’s league.
Of course the prizes in the boys-only league should be lower since they play in a less competitive league.
Of course the prizes in the boys-only league should be lower since they play in a less competitive league.
Sadly, the way these things tend to work is that a handful of patriarchs make all the rules, from who gets to play to what goes in the prize pool.
We should have two leagues based on skill. Not gender or sex. We can still create space to have awards and prizes based on gender or sex to ensure everyone is recognised if necessary.
Which we care about… Why? Is there some million dollar prize for 11 year old basketball I’m not aware of?
Then you can’t have it both ways when they get to high school. Or are you saying Girl Sports shouldn’t exist? If a girl can’t compete in high school basketball against boys, then too bad?
School sports shouldn’t be competitive in the same way. It’s not the point of student sports. That’s for learning to operate in a team, learning social dynamics, building hand-eye coordination, and physical fitness.
But this wasn’t a school league. So for apples to apples, yes once they reach high school age in private leagues they should be grouped by ability.
Sunderman should have kicked them out for lying, not out of “concern” for the potential behavior of boys. As soon as he made that claim he went into the wrong. If the boys can’t behave properly then kick them out. It’s like how a gal shouldn’t have to worry about being raped because of what she is or isn’t wearing or doing or not doing. We’re telling females what to do or not to do and not males what to do or not do.
Typical “alpha male” response
That makes perfect sense - only
grown-ass adultswhittle gurls could ever be afraid that someone might lose a game!If the 6th grade boys teams might retaliate because they lost a game, they got some shitty coaches that haven’t instilled a sense of sportsmanship into them.
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How come women don’t compete with men professionally, then?
WOOSH
Care to elaborate?
Or did I just say something you didn’t like? Lol.
You didn’t even understand the comment you replied to. Why should I beat my head against the walls you erected to shield yourself from reality?
Better to prepare those boys for all of the ass-whoopings women will serve them in their future professional careers, no?
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It’s the exact opposite. Your view is wildly skewed
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Nice.
So it basically boils down to this.
We as Kentuckians realized we failed as parents at a state wide level therefore we will continue to be shit parents and ban the girls for having better parents to appease the shitty parents and their shittily raised boys so they don’t get a bruised ego for failing as parents and humans.
Again, very nice.
Y’all Qaeda strikes again.
God damn Talibangelicals and their Shakira law.
Hymns don’t lie 🎶
