There were also 2 more below that.
And this must be a bot, endless posts by this user, every time the same content on multiple communities.
It’s a UI issue and not really an issue with how Fediverse communities work, if the same link is posted in multiple communities it should ideally show you only one of them in your feed. The user would be able to specify how he wants to discriminate between the same links: most recent one, most active one etc… It shouldn’t be difficult to do at the UI level.
its not a UI issue when there are comments from 10 different communities.
there are comments from 10 different communities
And that is IMO a false problem. It is perfectly okay to have completely different discussions around the same link, just like currently you can have the same link shared on Reddit, Hacker News and other link aggregators and you obviously end up with completely different discussions around the same link.
This whole “there’s too much fragmentation” drama is IMO a false problem raised by people who don’t fully understand that the Fediverse does not mean that you will have one single big entity with synchronized rules and one single community per topic globally. It means that you will have something like multiple independently run “forums”, with different vibes and potentially different moderation rules, and users in federated “forums” can easily hop from one to another with the same account. It doesn’t mean that you’ll have one single large Reddit replacement with communities that are deemed “similar” forcibly merged to prevent the false problem of “fragmentation”.
The internet would be in a completely sorry state if only one forum per topic was allowed.
It is perfectly okay to have completely different discussions around the same link
thats not whats happening. you’re either getting the same comments in all places or you’re arbitrarily preventing people from commenting all in 1 place to prop up this guise of “freedom” that exists at the will of the instance admins.
you’re either getting the same comments in all places
how? how are the comments on https://lemmy.world/post/2342759 and https://lemmy.world/post/2244006 the same?
everyone in both those comment sections are talking about how bad of a choice this is LOL.
Where…?
Which one? Most upvotes? Highest total score? Most interacted with (e.g. most comments)? The instance you visit the most? Some combination of these?
i’d want the comment chains merged
This sounds good in theory, but it’s going to be difficult if the communities have different rules. A comment made on the post in Community 1 might be okay IN Community 1 but innappropiate in Community 2 … how would you deal with this if the comment section was merged and appeared in both communties?
That could be a user setting, just like you specify how you want to rank the threads in your feed, you could specify also how to discriminate between threads that are sharing the same link: you could say you want the most recent one for example. Again, this could easily be done at the UI level.
w o r l d n e w s
If these are serial reporting, Threads is down by a factor of 8. Could be more. Antelope FWY 1/128 mile.
I think “World News” and “Technology” are not quite similar communities. It’s up to the mods of each community to decide whether the content posted is appropriate to that community. One could argue, that an article about Threads is not exactly “World News” though. Also I think that the different variants of e.g. Technology will have a “flavor” of the instance that it’s hosted on. You then get the option to subscribe only to the flavors you like, or if you subscribe to all, then there’s bound to be some duplicates. Maybe some future feature could combine them - it would need to be clear which comment threads are from which instance though.
Maybe some future feature could combine them
Crossposting already exists. That way you have one “main post” and a couple of openly linked crossposts in other communities that redirect to the main post, which makes it easy to filter out “duplicates” as the posts are already bundled in a way. There is no reason to make the same “main post” multiple times.
…and if you meant to combine the comment sections across all communities and instances into a single big comment cluster linked to the main post, then please keep in mind that different communities have different rules. A comment made from a user in Community 1 might be appropiate in Community 1 but inappropiate in Community 2 where the post also appears. How would you moderate this if all comments appeared in both Community 1 and 2 at the same time?
I actually thought of it more as a purely visual combine. So each post still lives in its own instance, and visually you just see them together. Comment threads would live on different instances and the instance mods just mods the community that they own. So it’s a purely Frontend thing.
I understand that, but the “dubious” comment would still appear in the comment thread on both instances then, and that can turn into a problem. How do you deal with it?
Just to make an example: I moderate a community about Breath of the Wild, where content about the sequel Tears of the Kingdom are discouraged so that people who don’t own that game yet won’t have to worry about spoilers. There are also communities about both games, or even just the sequel, where “spoilers” simply aren’t an issue. Now imagine someone makes a post that appears in both communities, and the comment section contains content related to the sequel. How would you deal with it?
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Remove the comments about the sequel because the BotW community doesn’t allow spoilers? That’s a surefire way to piss off anyone subscribed to the TotK community, because they were simply discussing content they’re subscribed to and won’t understand what they did wrong or why their comments keep disappearing.
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Let the comments stay because the TotK community allows them? That’s a surefire way to piss off people subscribed to the BotW sub, as they were promised a spoiler-free browsing experience and now read about stuff they didnt want to read about. You cannot un-see spoilers, so “just deal with it” isn’t an option.
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Make it so that those comments are only displayed in the TotK community but not in the BotW community? That’s what we have right now - separate comment sections for each community. If you merge the comment sections and then retroactively have to sort out which comments are or are not displayed in the other sub, it will be an unneccessary extra workload for the mods as you can barely automate such a thing. And you would have to check every comment again as soon as someone makes a crosspost to a third, fourth, fifth community, as this would add extra rules that would make comments that were formerly comepletely fine suddenly not okay anymore.
Now this is an example where the issue are “just” gameplay spoilers, so it’s not exactly the end of the world. But once this happens to communities with different rulesets about politics, religion, NSFW content, things that are illegal in one country but not the other, and similar highly explosive topics, it will turn into a moderation nightmare to keep the comment section fair for everyone.
The main post would be shared but then in the comment section you can swipe left or right to scroll through the different instances (comment section). Most comment sections don’t have such unique requirements anyways, usually on Reddit I just assume “don’t be an asshole” and on the few occasions where that is not sufficient, I get deleted and the mod notifies me of the error, then I learn. Generally people won’t familiarize themselves with the community rules before posting.
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personally I’m more annoyed that there are several “Technology” communities and several “World News” communities, rather than World News and Technology sharing a similar topic.
Just pick one. They mostly have the same content anyway. I know ideally they should be different (for instance, Beehaw communities are more heavily moderated), but for Lemmy.world and Lemmy.ml the difference is so small it’s not worth the hassle.
tell that to everyone else. shit like this will make all even more useless than it already is.
There is discussion on going at [email protected] currently about new rules. Users posting the same story from the same source will be blocked by an automod. I asked about users posting the same story from different sources, and apparently that’s absolutely fine. So expect this problem to get a lot worse before steps have to be taken to make it better :/
There are a lot of bots still here so I wouldn’t be all that surprised.
Conversely I’m having the similar issue of blocking one community but then different communities with the same name and content still appear on my feed as if I never blocked them at all. Like playing whack-a-mole.
But did you know about the nearly 50% reduction in Threads users???
If it’s posted three times, does that mean Threads users are down 87.5% or up 50%?
I do it, and honestly I wish there was a way to post a “Connect” Post or something that would appear to the three I post to
There is a cross post button. It adds a link under the post when opened to show other communities it has been cross posted to, but it doesn’t solve the original problem.
Yeah that’s what I use, but when I post to Dungeon and Dragon, and TTRPG if someone is part of those they will see two times my post :/ but if Communities linked to a post where like a tag on the post, the same post would be showed In both communities but it would stay the same post, but maybe that’s approaching what Mastodon is and not Lemmy
Ah I see what you are meaning. I’m not sure if that would always be a good thing, even reddit keeps different comment pages for different communities in cross posts because different communities have different conversations.
I don’t have any better way of solving this problem, other than perhaps having the app or frontend collapse the duplicates into a single item that indicates the different communities it’s in and let’s you pick which comments to open.
I don’t think this is all that dissimilar from how Reddit was though if you were subscribed to two world news subreddits and two technology subreddits. I think the key is picking out the more popular communities and only subscribing to those. Eventually the goal would be for the less popular communities to fizzle out in favor of bigger communities.
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Each instance can have their own rules and mods, I have already encountered power tripping mods on lemmy.world, I can choose other instances with the same threads with different mods.
It seems useful to have bots serial posting for a while, within some limits.
These forums have a chicken and egg problem - need posts to get commentors, need the commentors to incintivise posters. Also just need content in general to get any readers.
But I’m in general agreement that recently the feeds haven’t been too smooth on Lemmy and that take a lot away from the browsing experience.
Its not really surprising to see duplicate from what are basically all ‘general-purpose’ instances. Merging duplicate posts into one would be a great solution.
I don’t see the issue, it’s not a duplicate post, it’s 3 separate posts by the same person into different communities.
I feel like the best way to handle the situation with similar/same communities on different instances is to allow communities to automatically federated with other communities. That way subscribing to one community will show you its posts and all the posts to its linked communities.
It would be especially helpful for these general purpose communities like Technology or News since I would imagine most communities are going to have one.
If that happens then we wouldn’t need to hunt down and follow every single instance of the same community. Let the mods handle it on their end to save the rest of us the effort.
not a necessarily a bot, but also there need to be a feature where duplicate posts need to be hidden. inoreader (rss reader) has this is a premium feature. lemmy apps need to draw inspiration from the rss readers, since content is similar. in fact i used to browse inoreader before using a lemmy client app.
I think it does that if they’re cross posted, at least someone else said that, but maybe they need to make that easier on more of the mobile clients.
What about the comments though? I don’t think hiding duplicates or merging comments will be easy
