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Samsung sees 95% drop in profits for a second consecutive quarter::Today, Samsung posted its Q2 2023 financial results. The report says Samsung’s profits have dropped considerably compared to last year.
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Who could know that refusing to patch critical bugs or, for that matter, to put any effort at all into software while constantly raising product prices would piss off the customers? It’s a mistery!
Sounds like a classic trust thermocline. Sales tend to keep stable and users put up with the shenanigans and prices while execs keep ignoring user’s complaints, until suddenly there is the straw that breaks the camel’s back and sales drop suddenly.
Yeah, this is not it, their mobile division performed well, it was their chips division.
From the introduction of the article above: „Samsung blames the decline in smartphone shipments for its financial troubles. Samsung is hoping the launch of its foldables will help level out these losses for the second half of the year.“
Ah shit, I read the Q1 report: https://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-earnings-report-3318100/
I can’t believe that the whole Android ecosystem -and I mainly blame Google, let Apple outplay it at system updates. It was always going to come to a head as people keep their phones longer and longer.
each new phone is more expensive, with less functionality.
hover on the touch screen? gone
iris scanner, gone
headphone jack? gone
air pressure sensor? gone
humidity sensor? gone
ir blaster, gone
meanwhile I get charged out the ass for storage space.
Why the fuck would I want a newer phone?
Also removable batteries gone
That’s supposed to be coming back by EU law in the next few years. So we have that at least.
It should be back in 2027 in EU at least
Mine is actually very easily removable. The device overheats so much, that it’s completely annihilated the glue, and now the back panel is only held down by the case c:
Be honest. You tried microwaving it, didn’t you?
A very nice man on the internet told me it would charge it
Honestly, I may as well have
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Counterpoint: phones like Redmi 9T have it all. Headphone jack, expandable storage, IR blaster, NFC… Also manages to have an “okay” battery capacity that’s 6Ah.
The only problem is it costs too little so people don’t consider it.
First, even for Xiaomi that phone is crap with a myriad of software related complaints alone. On the hardware front its cheap because cheap in gets cheap out. Underpowered even for 2021.
Oh I see. I just …hadn’t noticed. Probably because these people are overreacting. But sure, if you need to justify getting a new smartphone, you better spend loads of money to make sure it looks good on benchmarks.
Found the Samsung fuck boy
The point is that technology isn’t supposed to get in the way of us doing things and that’s exactly what removing features that are useful to people does.
Usually there is a compromise somewhere though. If they could just add all the features without any downsides, they surely would (and demand a premium for it). Granted, sometimes it is just cheaper to get rid of it (and thus make more profit), but sometimes its just a decision to cater to a minority or provide a benefit for the majority of users.
Pointless unintuitive feature that’s replaced with simple press and hold.
Unintuitive for you, perhaps. I found it more intuitive than the press and hold (until it became ubiquitous), since it made more sense for a preview. Press and hold, in my mind, is more for secondary menus and alternative options, like mass-selecting.
The air gestures were also nice if I had my hands full, since they worked without turning the screen on, and without touching it, although they leaned more heavily on the gimmick side of things.
Slow and unreliable compared to fingerprints. Anyone actually used it?
Yes. I use it a lot when I have my phone on a stand, or when I have gloves on. Fingerprint readers don’t work through gloves, for obvious reasons, and it’s less effort than having to fumble around with my phone and my gloves, especially when I will be putting the glove back on afterwards.
Since my phone also has the fingerprint reader on the back, rather than the front, it also makes it much easier to unlock my phone without picking it up, which is nice when it’s on its wireless charging pad, or I want to quickly check a notification or something, rather than needing to pick it up.
As for speed, I’ve not found it that much worse than the fingerprint, especially once the camera’s fired up. The hard part tends to be aligning yourself just right, and that you need to tap a “confirm” button compared to the one-click that fingerprint does.
Who needs these things? Weather apps work just fine. Rather use the space for battery.
The space won’t be used for battery. It’s a small chip on the PCB, and Samsung would either keep it around for other sensors, or would leave that space blank. Having a tiny battery protrusion like that is silly anyway. Having a little dingle like that would just make the battery more likely to be damaged and erupt into a violent conflagration.
I personally found it handy, even if it was underutilised. Sometimes you want information from within the house, not outside of it, and if your phone can fetch that information and present it, you don’t need to go and buy a separate hygrometer and air pressure sensor, and carry it around, or have to feed that information via an external service.
Unless you’re looking to vandalize public tvs, just replace it with any number of wifi/bluetooth remotes.
Assuming that your TV comes with support for those. If it doesn’t, such as if it’s an older television, then you would be out of luck.
Personally, I used mine a bunch back in the day, just because it was nice to be able to fire up the VCR, Amplifier, and TV all in one button, rather than a bundle of loose remotes, but that’s more of a first world problem, and less of an issue these days, since television is on the decline.
More importantly, though, the phones aren’t cheaper despite the loss of these features. The phones just get more expensive, even though they had fewer sensors and features like that.
Slow and unreliable compared to fingerprints. Anyone actually used it?
Hadn’t had a Samsung back then, but I would love to.
Air pressure/humidity sensor
I’d love those.
IR blaster
It’s still very useful, I used it regularly on my older phone.
Don’t forget color changing led notification light. You could pay with your phone at old card readers using MST. Oh yeah, and the S9 had a blood pressure sensor.
At least Samsung has proper video out through the USB port. Unlike the trash that Pixels depend on, such as Chromecast. What kind of GPU doesn’t have either HDMI or displayport (through USB-C like Apple, Samsung, OnePlus, Steamdeck, laptops, etc. ) out in this day and age?
They want to keep competing with and copying Apple/iphones, yet they keep forgetting about what makes Android phones so appealing to the people who select these phones over iphones.
Wait air pressure sensor and humidity sensor? Are you talking about their watches?
Samsung Note 10 and others have a barometric sensor, though I’m not aware of any app using them. Which might explain their removal, sadly.
TIL I had a phone with barometric sensor.
I have a barometric sensor in my phone?!
news to me too, and I’m replacing it on Monday lol.
I like using the app phyphox to look at all the different sensors on my phone
Oh boy this is a weird tool hahah, I love it!! Can’t thank you enough for this recommendation, it always bummers me how wasted are most phones in terms of potential, when I used to fantasize about futuristic portable computers as a little boy I though that people would become a short of cyborg that would do “magic” with their computers. Turns out, phone became the “squary-glassy attention sink machine” xd
I was thinking on accessing the pressure sensor via termux and then export that data to a csv file with some python script! phybox looks ver interesting to gain control over my devices 😗
Air pressure is (was?l in pretty much any phone.
no, i am talking about phones. this stuff used to actually be in phones
Holding tight on to this Samsung Note 9 until it finally dies. Battery is still ‘ok’ for now, will last a full day.
Snapdragon, not that pos Exynos
Finger print reader on the back is the only way to do it. Wife has had several newer models with built in front side fingerprint reader and it has been ridiculously unreliable by comparison.
Iris Scan
Face Scan
Headphone jack
Micro-SD Card
USB-C
Wireless charging
NFC with payment support
And even the stupid pen thingy that I use maybe once a month.
Not 5G but the 4G LTE is usually more than fast enough even for streaming when using as a hotspot.
Don’t forget the SD card slot missing, S20 was the last one that had it. I still don’t know what to get after that, just because of the missing SD.
Internal storage on phones is over 200gb by now. I havent needed an SD for years. What the fuck do you store on your phone that could still need an SD? lmao
I have a young son and it was getting very irritating having to be selective recording my videos of him. I finally just paid $90 and added a 1TB premium sd card, and now I won’t have to worry about it at all & download all the videos I want for us.
Upgrading the internal storage to 1TB on a new phone costs several hundred dollars.
Because I like to store stuff on my phone
Record 1 minute video, how big is that file? 200 MB, 0.2 GB. 5 minutes and 1 GB is full. When something interesting happens, 5 minutes are recorded easy, obviously. 200 GB, nothing for apps, maps, downloads,… are enough to record 15 hours of video. Then that is it. How many moments can I capture with that? Enough for maybe 2 years? I don’t throw my memories away when I get a new phone. Instead, I just buy a new SD every few years and compress the video files every once in a while.
I am 12 and this is deep, what a moronic take
llamma pr0n.
4k video files will fill your phone up mighty quick. especially if you use it for youtube videos or similar. or film your family/pets a lot
I got an A52 just for that reason. Still using it. I wanted a S20 but they were sold out and I was told they stopped making it.
mine can take an sd card, but only if i take out one of my sim cards, of course
That pisses me off the most
People probably aren’t enthused about buying an overpriced tv, fridge, washer, or phone that all come with bloatware and adware.
A lot of people here clearly don’t understand how large of a company Samsung is, and what all they sell.
Lol everyone commenting it’s because THEY don’t want to buy a new phone. Samsung supplies screens, electronic internals for other companies, and a fuck ton of appliances. They don’t only make phones…
Because more and more people are using their phones until they quit. Who needs a folding phone?
95% is huge. They been releasing too many models and their new phones are too expensive for me. they should follow apple and only release one every year
Poor functional design and atrocious security practices and culture will do that. Nothing to see here.
I suspect that hardly any mass market consumer cared about security, sadly. And what exactly do you mean with “functional design”? It’s all slabs of screen with a charging port across the industry these days, or did you mean any features added/missing?
For security it depends on where you live in Australia there have recently been several very big hacks which is resulting in a lot of damage from the high valued sensitive information being stolen. So it now matters and is only getting more important. Samsungs made the headlines for all the wrong reasons. Apple the opposite. Curved edge screens were nothing short of an abortion. Their bloatware invasive annoying and made experience terrible. Even the physical button lack of remapping was frustrating and useless.
Software to hardware Samsung is a train wreak.
The chairman of Samsung is a convicted criminal, by the way. Pardoned by the totally not corrupt president. Apparently he’s such a genius that laws don’t apply to him.
yeah bruh, i have zero interest in a foldable phone or whatever the fuck.
no surprise
Fuck Samsung, I’ve had the worst experiences in all of tech with their support system. I had a bad ram module on my s22 and even used the Samsung Support app and had a tech point it out to me. Sent it in and apparently the repair center can’t see those notes that the support dev had written. It took 3 tries and countless calls to support, and eventually got in contact with the office of the CEO, and they basically admitted their backend support is so fractured that someone with phone in hand can’t see any notes any other tech had written. They then decided to give me a refund, which was for less than the receipt, and after fighting for another MONTH to get them to give me the correct funds, they finally sent it to me. 3 months in total. Fuck Samsung.
When money is tight you might use your phone for a year or two longer. 1000 Euro phones also don’t help the matter.
I’m still using my iPhone 8 Plus that I bought in 2017 and it still serves well since I don’t play games.
While I don’t use a Samsung, I am over half way through my phones fifth year. Other than a battery replacement I’ve had literally no problems whatsoever.
If only lifespan and right to repair were written into law everywhere.
Software updates are the problem unfortunately
I wonder why this is not a problem for pcs though
It kinda is. Windows 11 won’t run on older hardware and end of life of the latest version of Win 10 is coming up in 2 years or so. And a bunch of PCs weren’t really ready for Win 10 when that replaced Win 7/8 and again, support for those dropped at some point.
Lifetimes are usually more lenient with PCs, but it still happens. You can switch to Linux of course, but then there are alternatives for many smartphones as well.
Because PCs are from a time before tech monopolies. They are based on a spec that allows different vendors to work together. As a result there is more competition, more options for repair, etc.
I have quite a number of systems capable of running Windows 11. Microsoft won’t allow it. Thankfully I run mostly Linux. But your point is not as solid as you think it is unfortunately…
Yes, though technically they started out as reverse engineered clones. There were tons of incompatible microcomputer brands before the IBM PC. Then companies like Compaq put out “PC compatible” clones based on specs that came from reverse engineering of the IBM PC. Over time, things evolved toward deliberate standardization.
Imagine the dumpster fire of legal action, which courts would likely side with, if someone put out hardware that was 1:1 compatible with the iPhone and iOS would run on it. That’s basically what happened, though MS DOS was produced by an additional party instead of IBM.
I wonder how long this will last. We’re already seeing Apple getting some crazy performance with their M chips with integrated RAM and GPU, wouldn’t surprise me if PCs start becoming less and less modular as time goes on.
As a guy who likes repairing tech this movement towards anti repair saddens me.
Because PCs are based on a hardware standard that allows for a standard kernel and pluggable drivers. So you can just take a standard install of a new version of Windows, and toss in the same drivers from the last version, and you’re on your way.
On ARM, there is no such standard that is widely deployed, the hardware is integrated bespoke for each and every device, so building a new version of the OS for a specific phone means using very specific configurations (where in memory is the GPU mapped? where is the sound chip mapped? on a PC the hardware can plug-and-play detect this stuff, on ARM it has to be hardcoded into the OS for every device). This is made worse by the chips used in mobile phones being proprietary hardware where the drivers are only released to manufacturers under NDA, and these hardware manufacturers often don’t bother to supply updates at all and individual phone manufacturers don’t have enough clout to force them to
Developers require money, and software maintenance requires lots of developers, testers and other people.
Yes and no. Installing last version of android on a pixel 4 is most likely absolutely fine. And keeping at least security support is likely not a big deal. 3 years of security update support it is clearly a finance department decision. Why 3, why not 3 and half? Why not 4?
Just because they need predictability in sales, and they attached the support to the “classical” number of years after which you’d like a customer to buy a new tech product. 3 years has always been a magic number for hardware companies, since forever
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No not really, formula is no more than 10% production costs pa unless w produced poorly to begin with. It’s even less if you’re running multiple versions of roughly the same thing then the costs are spread over those versions.
My Galaxy S10 is on its 5th year I think. Really had no issues with it, even the battery. Only showing signs of slowdown this year.
Granted, I run my phone on 720p and constant battery saver lol
It also seems like the whole you gotta upgrade every other month hype has long since died down. It’s not the exponential improvements that it was ten or twelve years ago.
Phones just went through the same thing PCs went through twenty five years ago.
I couldn’t agree more. I have a Zfold 2 that I’ve had since launch (3 years) and I look at the phones on offer now that I have an upgrade available and I see no reason to upgrade to a new phone for a marginally better camera and processor, there hasn’t been enough innovation in mobile tech in that time to warrant paying another £1000+ over another 3 years, I’ll rock this phone phone until it dies the same way I did my Note 9.
I’m in the same boat. I’ve still got an S10 from launch, although it’s noticeably wearing down in performance now. I’ll wait to the holiday season to see if I can get a deal on a new Samsung. At that point I’ll have used the s10 for almost 5 years. Used to get a new phone every other year but that’s not needed or wanted now.
Hell, I’ve had a £100 phone for 3 years already and it’s absolutely fine. I’ve noticed a little battery degregation but it still lasts a whole day. Plus a cheap batter change will make it last year’s more. I can’t understand why anyone would still sing those contracts for a new phone every 2 years.
Yeah, I’ve had my LG G8 for four years now and I’m just starting to look for replacements. Unfortunately the G8 is known for the battery being very hard to replace or I would be looking into a battery replacement service instead to get a couple more years of useful life.
I’m clinging to my LG though with no OS updates ever again its days are numbered. In the meantime I paid a shop to replace the battery in my LG because it couldn’t hold a charge anymore.
I stopped buying Samsung phones when Samsung stopped making phones with features I want such as an SD card and headphone Jack.
Either you make products that people want or you don’t, it seems pretty simple to me.
I was so happy when they released those commercials with their commitment to the headphone jack after Apple abandoned it.
After they dropped it, they made sure I’ll never buy another phone from them. They probably don’t care. They probably make more than enough through their bluetooth headphones.
Well if their sales are down 95% they certainly are doing something wrong.
For me its simple, build a phone with a headphohe jack and SD card reader and I will but it.
Sales are “only” down 37%, it’s profits that are down 95%. Which means either they’ve had to discount their phones, or they’re not selling enough volume to make up for R&D.
Either you make products that people want or you don’t, it seems pretty simple to me.
Imo even big companies fail to realize that they don’t know (or care) anymore what the customers want. Marketing used to be: analyze the market and find out what’s a good product to sell. Nowadays marketing is: make personalized ads and try to push whatever crap is cheap to produce to people who don’t realize they don’t even want this. Also make it look a lot better than it actually is.
Samsung, stop trying to imitate Apple, it’s no use. You don’t have the vendor lock-in and cult-like status to pull that off. Just make good products at affordable prices. Ask the customers what they want, it’s that easy.
You’re very correct. A core belief at apple is that the customer is too stupid to know what they want, so you can whatever you want down their throat.
There is some merit to the idea that true innovation won’t be anticipated by customers so you have to take risks. But the way apple does it pisses me off to no end.
No apple, removing every port (except shitty ass lightning ports of course) is not a good idea. It just isn’t.
Ask the customers what they want, it’s that easy.
Don’t forget though, that the typical customer may be very different from the bubble on this site.
Foldable devices seem like the 3d TVs of the last couple of years. I will not be getting one any time soon.
After having one, it’s really amazing and the form factor and random utility it brings (built in tripod, easy to aim flash light and be hands free). The screens just need work. The crease is a non-issue as far as using the phone, but the little screen protectors that manufacturers say not to take off will deteriorate after like 6 months.
I think it’s close though and I do often miss my foldable.
Have had a samsung foldable and in a 2 year time period I’ve had to replace the factory installed screen protector twice. It started w a little crack that crept upwards until the whole protector was split in half. Ended up just peeling it off after the 2nd replacement started cracking. I imagine ppl don’t like the idea of not being able to protect their screens for one of their premium products…
On the flip side I did watch the superbowl from a hotel pool with this phone and it was perfect for that.
and who even wants this? a couple of friends have them, and it seems like nothing more than a weird novelty. in sci-fi, the phone unfolds to become a tablet, not folds in half to become… uselelss while potentially damaging the screen for no good reason.
this is a classic example of one of those technologies that you think would be cool, but once you have it, you’re like, “eh, never mind.” but Samsung went all sunk cost fallacy and doubled-down on it, losing billions. brilliant!
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I had flip phones before smartphones became default, I loved the intuitiveness of answering, locking, etc, and I love the idea of a foldable smartphone because of the size of the screen that you can get into a pocket
Same here, was on flip phones for the longest time. I loved the compactness. They became scarce some years ago so I started buying smart phones, currently a Samsung. That thing is huge and unwieldy. It does not fit well in a pocket so I don’t carry it around. I always have to find someplace to stow it, often in the center console of my car.
A folding smart phone could be a solution, but they’re all really expensive. I don’t spend a lot on phones and never will. Right now I’m looking to replace my under $300 Samsung with an under $300 Motorola. Functionally my Samsung works well, but I hate all the Samsung bloatware on it. I know Motorola uses a fairly stock Android image and hopefully it will be a bit more compact.
from what my friends have told me, that novelty wears off real quick, and is replaced with the concern it will break or wear out— which happens more frequently than manufacturers claim. if not the screen itself, then the hinges, which were a common problem with the old flip-phones, too, back in the day.
I mean, you like what you like. I’m just speaking from a practical standpoint in that any moving parts = a high manufacturing cost and higher rate of defect and breakage. the primary advantage of the “candy bar” form factor is that it reduces/eliminates moving parts and potential points of failure from the physical design.
I admit… I really do miss the idea, even the feel of flipping a phone shut. hell, I even miss slamming a phone down to end a call. angrily jamming my finger into a screen to end a call is REALLY unsatisfying, and often ends in my throwing my phone across the room, and I’ve thankfully developed the habit of throwing it at my couch to save on replacing expensive smartphones, lol. but, until tech evolves tot he point where we get phablets a la Westworld or Legion that can unfold into a super-slim tablet rather than fold down into a flip-phone from the past whose screen could actually just break at any moment because the tech was rushed…. yeah, I’m not interested.
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I was going to say I miss slam-shutting my flip phone too but have realized that I only talk on the phone like 3 times a week so I wouldn’t be getting a foldable just for that
I had a Motorola razr in 2021 that was a good phone, the crease never really bothered me but after 6 months of use the touch screen stopped working and then the pixels started going out on it before it stopped working entirely.
I loved the form factor but it’s just not reliable enough. I’d probably only buy another clamshell foldable if apple made it because I trust them not to rush a half baked product to market.
I’d love to have one but they’re overpriced.
Same with every flagship, the tech isn’t scaring me off just that the price is ridiculous to me. A new phone case, wallpaper and launcher and I’ll get another year out of any phone.
And now TVs fold also 😂
I see why you’re saying that but I love my fold and I don’t think I could go back to a regular phone anymore, you quickly get used to the screen real estate and its difficult to give it up imo. While the outside screen is too thin on my fold for my fat fingers you get the best of both worlds of a phone and a more portable tablet, I get it if its not your thing but I find it very handy to have that extra work space on my phone.
While the outside screen is too thin on my fold
Yep, I’m hoping they’ll do a slightly wider tri-fold model at some point. I’d like to have a wider front screen, like Galaxy S22 Ultra sized, and then be able to unfold twice to get a ~3x sized tablet-sized screen.
Not that that would help with the already astronomical price-tag of the Z-Fold.
I’m in the same boat with my foldable. It’d be a handicap now to watch videos on a smaller screen now that I’ve gotten used to the bigger one. I only use the small screen for phone calls now because it’s awkward holding the large screen to your face for that.
Yeah, so many points of failure and so expensive
