By Lemmy standards I’m perversely unconcerned with my privacy. But I just updated all my glassdoor info to wildly incorrect stuff (name, location, industry, job title, etc) then deleted it. Even for me this is a bridge too far.
Mike Hawk, CEO of Nunya
Luke Skywalker, Chief Financial Officer of Initech
Operation Market Garden is still paying for its failure after all these years.
Just deleted my account. I hardly used it anyway, so good job pushing me off the edge Glassdoor.
Account deleted. I’d love to see the exodus data trends from this decision.
seems like they have legal work around . fuck them honestly.
All I have in mine is my email address. The rest is made up garbage
I just deleted mine too.
Hilarious anyone would put their name into something autonomous
I take it as stage 2 of enshittification?
I didn’t input my employer, so they just pull my email domain and it says like “Project Manager at MyEmailDomain” in my profile now. What a load of horse shit.
This is one of the most obvious potential cases of purposeful sabatoge. They were probably bribed by other big businesses to destroy their reputation so people would stop using the site.
There’s nothing businesses hate more than their workers having negotiating power, and wage transparency gives them more power than they had before. There’s a reason why it’s considered “rude” in the US to discuss wages with co-workers; I always make a point to discuss my wage with all of my co-workers, since it’s illegal for businesses to prevent that discussion.
In most other countries, it’s the norm to openly discuss your wages; unions are also more common in other countries. It’s just standard toxic workplace cultures trying to prevent people from getting paid what they’re worth, or god forbid, forming a union.
Man, people love to make up conspiracy theories.
The article explains the motivation, which is also bad and plausible. There’s no need to pull stuff out of your ass to explain it too.
From the article that they acquired a professional social networking app so their intention is clearly to be like LinkedIn - real names, links, career history, “social”. They want to monetize that information to sell to recruiters and salesmen.
So basically they’re nakedly greedy and they continue to suck. I thought LinkedIn was awful but Glassdoor is a whole new level of awful.
In what countries is it custom to openly discuss salary? In Germany and most if not all countries I’ve been to professionally it is not the norm. This is of course bad for transparency/employees and good for employers.
All of scandinavia. There are public registers where you can look up the salary of everyone for norway, sweden and finland. When these registers were introduced, the salaries were normalized across the whole population
In Denmark, I’m part of a union which publishes salary stats for every possible job title, management responsibility, education, in a fairly convoluted matrix. Still, this allows me to easily negotiate with companies and see how well they pay. There might be something organised by the government, but I’ve never had a need for it.
I like the idea of a register a lot.
Do you also talk about it though? I was in Denmark on business for a couple of weeks and I don’t recall there being a discussion about it.
Where I live we don’t really discuss salaries and I think that mostly comes down to society being tricked into believing it’s a bad thing. However our national statistics agency has made salary statistics public, which means anyone easily check their salary range and see if they’re being underpaid. I actually prefer that to discussing with co-workers because you end up getting a much better picture of your industry.
In my country I’m only aware of statistics published by a newspaper (source may be statista, some agency or a job portal). I find the values weird however as I earn way above the stated value for my general description. I’m in a bit of a niche however so that might work to my benefit. The statistics still feel like ‘expectation management’ to me though.
In China, “How much do you make?” Is right up there with “What’s your name?”.
Pretty disarming for unsuspecting foreigners.
Pretty disarming for unsuspecting foreigners.
That would indeed be a WTF moment for me.
Germany has a principle of equal treatment. The only way to ensure this is respected is to discuss wages. There is a legal precedent that makes it completely unambiguous that discussing wages is protected. It may be uncomfortable, but that’s just social pressure, encouraged by companies.
Not denying that it’s legal and beneficial to discuss that. It’s unfortunately not common (yet?).
Or
Think about it for more than 1 second.
They’ve been sued for liable.
Or
They’re being shit and creating a new revenue stream because constant growth and bonuses
Or
Read the article
While I see what you are seeing, I think people will just move to the next startup.
Also by Occam’s razor, don’t explain with malice what you can explain with stupidity
Fair point, but I’m wondering which part you were applying Occam’s razor to - what Glassdoor did is clearly malicious!
To the part that they were bribed.
I think they are simply in the pipe dream that they will become the new LinkedIn
That would be Hanlons razor. I have no idea whether it applies here.
Hanlon’s razor.
There is also the growing difficulty of disseminating real information from false information, but that should have been more the reviewed company’s problem than Glassdoor.
Do you know when it became illegal to ban salary discussions in the US? All the companies I have worked for recently have mentioned it not being allowed at some point.
You cannot prevent your employees from discussing wages. It is literally illegal to do so, and you cannot reprimand people for doing so.
Under the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA or the Act), employees have the right to communicate with their coworkers about their wages, as well as with labor organizations, worker centers, the media, and the public. Wages are a vital term and condition of employment, and discussions of wages are often preliminary to organizing or other actions for mutual aid or protection.
If you are an employee covered by the Act, you may discuss wages in face-to-face conversations, over the phone, and in written messages. Policies that specifically prohibit the discussion of wages are unlawful as are policies that chill employees from discussing their wages.
You may have discussions about wages when not at work, when you are on break, and even during work if employees are permitted to have other non-work conversations. You have these rights whether or not you are represented by a union.
https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-protect/your-rights/your-rights-to-discuss-wages
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If you get suddenly laid off after doing a legally protected activity, you do have very direct recourse.
Judges aren’t generally stupid, nor is the national labor board. If you do a legal thing companies hate and are suddenly fired out of the blue, it’s very obvious what happened, no matter what the comapny claims. It may take time and effort, but you very may get back paid the fof the entire time you were fired.
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You didn’t get laid off because you discussed your wages.
You were laid off because you couldn’t keep your cards close to your chest and told the company y’all had been discussing wages.
Having the right to discuss it doesn’t mean you should do it in front of the boss.
concerted organizing activity is protected under the law. talking about it with your boss yourself is not organizing activity. talking about it with a coworker in front of your boss is.
this is what a job journal is for. it would prove what happened.
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the law that protected concerted organizing activity is the same that took the teeth out of the unions. i want to see that law abolished, but i’m an anarchist, so i want them all gone.
It’s not illegal. It’s frown upon both socially and at the work culture. It makes people uncomfortable.
Doesn’t mean you shouldn’t. Ripping farts is frowned upon/makes people uncomfortable too.
Glassdoor “may update your Profile with information we obtain from third parties”
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Yikes
Imagine Reddit does this next lmao one day you open up and all your real life social media are linked to your u/Lick_My_Fuckhole profile, your coworkers see you as “people you may know” on their profiles. Neat
I mainly use reddit now for porn. Maybe a good way to get into a freak fetish ring…
The only fetish subreddit I followed was banned. There was not even any nudity.
Fuck Reddit.
At least my coworkers will know how I really feel.
Didn’t Google+ do that?
It’s been so long since that debacle I honestly don’t remember.
YouTube did it when Google bought them and changed everyone’s unique username to their Google account (real) name
Looks like they prodded but didn’t unilaterally force.
wtf that’s a terrible decision lol
Facebook did it as well, maybe a couple years after opening up to the non university crowd. Neither FB at the time or G+ years later gave any thought that their no pseudonym policies put someone’s safety at risk.
Google+ was a Facebook-like social media. It was only ever supposed to be real names, so no issue.
Worse, StarCraft tried it lol. Major blizzard fuckup
This is the best summary I could come up with:
(Ars will only refer to Monica by her first name so that she can speak freely about her experience using Glassdoor to review employers.)
Although it’s common for many online users to link services at sign-up to Facebook or Gmail accounts to verify identity and streamline logins, for years, Glassdoor has notably allowed users to sign up for its service anonymously.
The EFF regularly defends Glassdoor users from being unmasked by retaliating employers.
She decided to go through with a data erasure request, which Glassdoor estimated could take up to 30 days.
In the meantime, her name remained on her profile, where it wasn’t publicly available to employers but it could be used to link her to job reviews if Glassdoor introduced a bug in an update or data was ever breached, she feared.
“No one has the ability to see your user profile and the contents within it, meaning no one, including your employer, will be able to see your details,” Glassdoor’s employee wrote.
The original article contains 586 words, the summary contains 165 words. Saved 72%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!
Can confirm, they populated my data through a data broker at some point.
I guess the GOOD NEWS is the employer reviews are still anonymous.
How’d you delete your account? I don’t see anything other than the option to deactivate mine.
Yeah, the deactivation link takes you to “delete” it, but they do have some legalese that suggests they could keep it to “enforce their agreements” among other things
Me too. Only I have an additional 22 tabs open lol
Is this a US change as im not seeing names in the UK version
Are there any good alternatives to Glassdoor? The website and app were already hot UX garbage as it is so difficult to find salaries in other countries and figure out the currency without it bugging out frequently.
I’ve heard good things about levels.
Levels is great for the tech industry. (Possibly other industries as well, but that’s the one I am familiar with)
For big corps and California based tech companies sure. For most other companies there’s very little data. Though I realize that isn’t necessarily their fault.
Only tech, and only programmer-adjacent roles.
If you’re the guy who serves food at a tech campus facility it does nothing for you
There is Blind (I think by Team Blind).
Blind is full of the shittiest coworkers you didn’t know you had, so take it with a grain of salt
I just went in and manually edited my display name to my previous asshole of a boss. Two can play this game. If they want to get rid of anonymous content, then let them deal with poisoned content.
Team Blind is decent, at least in the tech sector.
You quoted the wrong/other comment
Thanks, deleted my account
Deleted my account and then made up a fictional worker with AI who works at Glassdoor in their Albuquerque location making $5mil/year as an intern and bitching about how the pay isn’t great.
Same. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
Glass door used to be interesting, but this site is total trash now. You can’t do anything without creating an account and filling out a bunch of shit. That site is basically a dark pattern hall of fame.
They probably really crippled the long term growth of that company by making stupid short term greedy decisions that killed the user experience and scared people away.
Just as venture capitalism demands.
Its almost as if they got bought out by a company that didnt want workers to have an opinion
Everyone thinking this was a business blunder… People got paid a lot of money to kill this site. It served in its own small way, to give workers a bit of power in relation to employers and that was unacceptable.
Yeah, this reeks of generic neoliberal sabotage to me. They do the same thing with unions and political parties. If anything is a potential threat to profits, it’s infiltrated and undermined.
There’s simply no way that a team focused on employee rights does something like this. Everybody working there would definitely be aware that companies routinely try to identify and punish people for their posts. That alone would end any non-malicious plans for using real names.
Went to my glass door app to check and the first question was “what is your name? First last?”
John Doe
Don’t worry they auto-fill it for you**
** Don’t ask how they already know.
