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Real libertarians would stand there with their hands in their pockets watching a toddler drown in a duck pond because the parents have no right to demand their labour.
What you’re describing is something called “Duty to Rescue”. It has serious implications if enacted, and should not be taken lightly.
hey look, I was bang on the money.
For your reference, here is a Wikipedia article on Good Samaritan Law. This graphic also provides some important context (it is contained within that Wikipedia article, but it is a useful graphic, so I explicitly linked it).
no please, don’t let me get in the way of you confirming the stereotype. Say more words by all means.
What stereotype do you believe that I am confirming?
The one at the top of this comment chain.
I never stated that it is un-libertarian to have duty-to-rescue laws. To be clear, I, personally, am of the belief that one should not be forced to come to the aid of another; however, I do support good samaritan protections. This being said, I would like to point out that your original argument is founded upon an assumption.
is this satire or…?
because i actually noticed a few specific people (namely us-citizens) associating libertarianism with uncontrolled market instead of the humanitarian background of the enlightenmentThe entire concept is “I don’t have to and you can’t make me!”.
That’s it, that’s all; a complete renunciation of social obligation. Nobody is required to do anything for anybody else, and the very idea is offensive.
Regulation is tyranny, taxation is theft, fuck you, pay me.
Your baby is starving to death in the street? Better hope someone decides to randomly donate to a charity or something, because I don’t have to give a shit about anyone in the world but myself. But its okay, I’m a good person because I’m not touching you!
At least toddlers grow out of it.
Randroid scum the lot of them; a bunch of edgelord ex-teenage anarchists who realised they like money and want laws to protect it, without any of that inconvenient and expensive functioning-society stuff getting in the way of their selfishness.
Sorry your movement got co-opted by idiots. It happens. Pick a new name for your beliefs and start over. The brand is tarnished and anyone who disagrees either is in denial over the state of things, or perfectly fine with what it has become. It’s time to move on.
I’ve been saying “lais·sez-faire - anism” because at this point I could care less what other people do or what bathrooms they use lol
Liberalism maybe? It’s a thing you know
RIP vegetarianism
I feel sorry for chill vegans.
They still even exist?
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As long as you are not hurting anyone else and everything is above board, why? Seriously, if someone is at home smoking weed and having sex with a hooker for a price they both agreed to and are happy with, why should that concern me at all, nevermind bother me?
The arguments against sex work that I find the most compelling are framing it from the worker’s ability to consent within a capitalist system.
Prostitution maybe not, but drugs literally do no good to anyone.
One can be classified as a job as long as it’s properly regulated, while the other is nothing but a poison people use to cope and ruin themselves in the process
Drugs include medicine.
It also has no bearing on you if someone else decides to do, say, heroin, so there is no real justification for them to be illegal.
They do. They actually ruin life for them and their families. And I forgot to mention that drug addicts can be extremely violent to the point of killing if that means they get enough money to buy more drugs. Guess why crime skyrockets where drugs are more used?
Oh, and they take everyone’s tax money (at least in countries that have public health ;))
Nah bro.
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Crazy republican that likes weed.
For the sake of clarity, your referring to a fake-libertarian as OP described, correct?
When people don’t have to follow ideologies by heart:
true. but this is clearly auth right larping as libertarian
There are protect the people from the corporations type libertarians and the protect the corporations from the government type libertarians. Guess which kind the GOP like?
A true libertarian would be both. Although it depends on exactly what you mean by “protect the corporations from the government”.
In the context of the comments here, no one really wants to give any libertarians the benefit of the doubt huh? Like maybe there are some folks out there who have a well thought out perspective and aren’t a caricature you learned about from memes.
I’m not libertarian, I’m just tired of the brain dead political takes you can find on the internet.
Maybe I should quit the internet.
I often say that the only thing more embarrassing than being a Libertarian is not growing out of it
I like this take, I don’t agree entirely with it, but I totally get the energy here, thank you for sharing kind of made me lol.
What do you think is embarrassing about libertarianism? What is so objectionable about resisting oppression? What is so objectionable about maximising each individuals rights, and freedoms?
You’ve hit on exactly what I think is embarrassing - Libertarians claim to champion those things but in practice they are all cover for ultra individualist ‘I got mine’ ways of thinking. I’ve seen that kind of thinking take over in some towns near me where they weren’t sure how they were going to repair streets or keep the streetlights on because “private entities will have a natural interest in handling those things” but they never do.
I’m a huge fan of half of the libertarian platform - legal abortions, legalized drugs, etc. - but those are the things Libertarians seem the least interested in actually enacting. And that’s because sure maybe some of them support those ideas, but they like the idea of fewer taxes and fewer regulations to help their bottom line a lot more.
It’s embarrassing because it is conclusive that we are better when we work together and combine our efforts, and Libertarianism only drags us apart.
they are all cover for ultra individualist ‘I got mine’ ways of thinking.
Maximizing individual freedoms is not implying that it is at the expense of the freedoms of others.
I’ve seen that kind of thinking take over in some towns near me where they weren’t sure how they were going to repair streets or keep the streetlights on because “private entities will have a natural interest in handling those things” but they never do.
Hm, streetlights would fall into a category of something called a natural monopoly. A Georgist would probably say that natural monopolies should be owned, or tightly regulated by the state – a monopoly is inherently anti-competitive, as a result, it is fundamentally opposed to a competitive free market.
legal abortions
I will say, with certainty, that there is borderline zero consensus across all libertarians on how abortions should be handled. This is a tricky issue. I personally think that any solution will lie entirely within the grey, rather than the black and white. I suspect that no solution will be agreeable to all.
Libertarians seem the least interested in actually enacting
This is a dubious statement – it falsely generalizes to all libertarians. It entirely depends on who you talk to.
And that’s because sure maybe some of them support those ideas, but they like the idea of fewer taxes and fewer regulations to help their bottom line a lot more.
While, yes, fewer taxes, and regulation increase profits, that’s not their only purpose. Reductions in those result in increases in scale of the free market. It could be argued, dependent on circumstance, whether such decreases are actually beneficial, or not, but, at any rate, reductions in taxes and regulations don’t only serve the purpose of lining the pockets of special interest groups.
It’s embarrassing because it is conclusive that we are better when we work together and combine our efforts, and Libertarianism only drags us apart.
While, idealistically, it would be great if all humans could work together, real life is unfortunately far from ideal.
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I appreciate your point by point response but I need to clarify that I am not arguing with you about Libertarianism in theory but in a tual practice. it is one thing to get behind it theoretically, but to see how it works in practice and still support it is what I find embarrassing.
What, specifically, do you think is impractical?
I’ve been somewhere in the big Democrat-anarchist-libertarian nexus since I was a teenager. I’ve definitely noticed that negative depictions of libertarianism are 90% based on the “if you don’t want something done by the state, you must not want it done at all” fallacy. The core concept people don’t get is that a state is a critical point of institutional failure, and libertarianism/anarchism of all different flavors mostly just advocate non-coercive means to accomplish the things a state does that we still do want. Honestly, it’s the same basic concept of centralization vs. decentralization by which Reddit failed and Lemmy offers a better alternative - the state centralizes coercive power susceptible to abuse, which is a fact of our daily lives (read: lobbying).
People brush right past these core concepts and try to make it about single-issue things like guns, abortion, etc. - they have no idea what they’re talking about. The problem here is all about what methods of social organization are ideal, and how the power of the state can be abused for private gain.
Anyone on the internet for over 15 minutes since 1996 knows what libertarians are about.
For the sake of clarity, what do you mean by this?
You should quit the Internet.
Libertarian of any style should shove their head up their ass until they suffocate.
What tenet(s) of libertarian philosophy do you object to?
Everything. Now, STFU.
For the sake of clarity, as an example, you reject the idea that an individual should be properly compensated for costs imparted on them without their consent?
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yeah I saw the image and thought “… who exactly is this for?.”
I’m not certain the creator has much but time on their hands. I wonder how individuals who consume this content actually behave outside of the internet.
I’m wouldn’t be surprised that they can only regurgitate what they have seen in memes and read in their echo chambers, but I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt too. I don’t go out and ask “What memes do you lol to?” when I meet folks, so I’d never know.
I’ve never seen a libertarian who thinks drugs and prostitution should be illegal.
Mfw I vote for a 3rd party candidate who aligns with many of my ideals and both a Democrat and a Republican break down my doors screaming that I wasted my vote and should vote (person) because its (not the other person) even though I don’t agree with either shitheads policies or agendas.
Unfortunately this is a symptom of FPTP. One is generally ill-advised to vote for exaclty who they believe in in such a system, and instead is advised to vote strategically. A rank ballot hypothetically would solve this issue.
Then they’re gonna complain about how the system is shit.
Literally just vote third parties and kick those dinosaurs out of congress
Yea I have lately found myself very frustrated with liberals, and politics as a whole lately. I browse both right and left stuff online and they each mirror eachothers sentiments like sports team fandoms. The liberals just hold the dnc party line in the name of fighting fascism cause most of them have done extremely well in the current political and economic climate, whether they admit it or not, capitalism and american democracy has suited them just fine and they don’t wanna release the pearls just yet. The right is just shit, tho there are some lines of logic from conservatives I don’t outright dismiss, but they’re mostly just ignorant assholes. 🤷 I voted Biden, I will again, but the whole wasted vote shit is just laughable tbh. Give me something good, and I’ll pick it.
Don’t call leftists “liberals”, it’s inaccurate af
Btw don’t complain about the current landscape just to then say you’re voting the party that is just like the other instead of voting a third party
It’s your vote, so you vote for who you want to. I always will no matter what anybody says.
People have this dumbass mindset that your vote “doesn’t count” if you vote for somebody who doesn’t end up winning. So they vote like sheep for who they are “supposed to” vote for.
Every election has losers, and your vote still counts just as much no matter who you vote for so vote for who you want.
I appreciate you guys trying to make me feel at home here by making it seem like reddit. I was starting to worry nobody was going to tell me what I believe.
There seems to be a basic misunderstanding among both the targeted parties and the entertained parties in many posts like these.
Even when this particular post specifies “fake libertarian” in their simplistic collage of observations, many readers end up understanding it as “this is what OP and the upvoters think libertarians are like”, and then it’s that premise they either agree or disagree with.
It should be said thst if you’re a libertarian that is genuinely liberal without the “protect sensitive people through authoritarian means”-mindset, then you’re a much different type than the cop-loving “liberty is for white christian land owners”-type this meme is about.
Yup. This comment section is a dumpster fire full of used condoms worthy of those spamming bots of reddit. They are just attacking people for their believes. And not even good ones, just more american culture war bullshit.
It’s not even for their beliefs: it’s for what they claim people believe. Don’t get me wrong, I cringe when I see a gadsden flag next to a blue lives matter flag, but that’s not me and it’s not the people I’ve met.
Brother eye is watching.
Republican * Coward = Libertarian
Would you mind explaining this statement? I’m especially curious as to why you are referring to libertarians as cowards.
As a self diagnosed math major: Republican is already a product of coward so shouldn’t it be more like Republican + Shame = Libertarian?
That would work, because Republicans lack shame and Libertarians are Republicans that know that their beliefs are shameful.
Libertarians are Republicans that know that their beliefs are shameful.
I think that you have a misunderstanding of what libertarianism is.
i expected an XKCD
my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined
Don’t move unless you want to, @SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world !
This is why the idea of a Nightwatchman State exists.
Are you busy trying to respond to every comment in a two month old post?
Libertarians are irrelevant, they are either rich entitled pricks or conservatives that like to do drugs.
Are you busy trying to respond to every comment in a two month old post?
Pretty much.
Libertarians are irrelevant
I would argue that they are reaching a local maximum of societal relevance.
they are either rich entitled pricks or conservatives that like to do drugs.
That is a faulty generalization.
Their maximum relevance for society is getting 3% of the votes, and tell me why my generalization was faulty.
Their maximum relevance for society is getting 3% of the votes
By “local maximum of societal relevance” I wasn’t talking in terms of absolute proportional vote, but instead of how germane the philosophy is to modern political discourse.
tell me why my generalization was faulty
You are making a hasty generalization. Based on how I interpret it, you are generalizing that a group of people calling themselves libertarians who satisfy your two examples – namely “rich entitled pricks”, and “conservatives that like to do drugs” – are a satisfactory representation of the entirety of those who call themselves libertarians. If a single person makes a claim contrary to your statement, then it will immediately falsify it. You provide no evidence to refute the possibility those who fall into categories other than the examples that you gave who also self-label as libertarian.
As an aside, your statement “they are either rich entitled pricks or conservatives that like to do drugs” does nothing to support your claim of libertarians being irrelevant.
As a dyed in the wool true Libertarian I have no love for the grousers. Do what you want w/o stepping on another persons rights. Its that simple.
Do what you want w/o stepping on another persons rights.
That’s not a libertarian ideal, that’s just being a normal person. Though I can see, in this political climate, why a libertarian would want to express it. Libertarianism comes more into play when the topic is how we as a society decide what to do in order to preserve those other persons’ rights and what we should do to someone who violates those rights. It also comes heavily into play when discussing what those rights actually are and where they apply.
I been saying it for years. Cut a self-identified libertarian and you will find a Republican who groked on that all the cute girls he is interested in aren’t going to date him unless he lies about what he believes.
Here is some advice: if you are ashamed about what you believe consider changing it.
You can’t generalize this argument to all libertarians. This argument is founded upon a faulty generalization.
Not a cute girl, but a rather plain woman so I get the memos, and generally we’re not a big fan of libertarians either. There are some outliers but yeah, the ruse was not super effective.
[on a date]
Her: Huh, so Libertarians think laws about pornography should be relaxed? What kind of porn exactly?
Him: …
Her: What kind of porn, exactly?
Him: Well–
Her: I’m just kidding, I called a Lyft as soon as you said you were a Libertarian.What kind of porn exactly?
An argument can easily be made that CSAM should be made illegal, as it exploits minors, who are generally considered a protected class. A minor is not able to give consent – being able to give consent is core to the philosophy of libertarianism.
generally we’re not a big fan of libertarians either
Why? What is so objectionable about resisting authoritarian oppression? What is so objectionable about the belief that we should maximise, to the best of our ability, the freedoms of all individuals?
Strange that women would be against a group of people who
- Want to hand over all reproductive control over your body to the state legislation.
- Want to strip away all anti-discrimination protections.
- Hope to pull away all social support. Including WIC.
- Remove school funding
Are you telling me you are not looking forward to the era where you have to stay married to a man who beats you because if you leave or even call the cops it will mean utter ruin for you and your children? Children who won’t be able to get free schooling or even discounted food. And of course your employer will be able to sexually harass you as much as they would like since it isn’t technically a violation of the NAP but even if it were you won’t report him because you really need this job. Why wouldn’t women like to return to the 1850s?
Want to hand over all reproductive control over your body to the state legislation.
I like to make fun of libertarians as much as the next guy, but this is not a common position of theirs and it doesn’t check out with the basic tenets of libertarianism, or diet anarchy as I like to call it. Their positions are usually more along the lines of “abortion should be legal, but the government shouldn’t be paying for it.” Which I strongly disagree with because I can do very basic math, but I think it’s a distinction between libertarians and republicans because you would have a different approach in trying to address their stance. I can at least work with someone who thinks they should be available but not free, I will not try to find common ground with someone who thinks they should be restricted, there’s absolutely no room for “proudly ignorant but otherwise innocent” in the latter, they’re just ghouls who should have been aborted.
The Libertarian Party website as well as statements from Ron Paul is where I got this. I don’t care what some random person 209 years ago said.
Wasn’t the case the last time I looked. Fine, cool they updated. I was wrong and I am glad you corrected me.
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Want to hand over all reproductive control over your body to the state legislation.
Abortion is actually a contentious issue among libertarians.
Want to strip away all anti-discrimination protections.
Correct. One has the right to choose with whom they associate, and the right to choose how they use their speech.
Hope to pull away all social support. Including WIC.
I would argue that libertarianism, in general, is not mutually exclusive to social programs.
Remove school funding
This one I’m actually not sure about. I have not made any solid decision on the matter. That being said, I will say that the majority of libertarians would oppose it in favor of private schooling.
Are you telling me you are not looking forward to the era where you have to stay married to a man who beats you because if you leave or even call the cops it will mean utter ruin for you and your children? Children who won’t be able to get free schooling or even discounted food. And of course your employer will be able to sexually harass you as much as they would like since it isn’t technically a violation of the NAP but even if it were you won’t report him because you really need this job. Why wouldn’t women like to return to the 1850s?
I have absolutey no idea what you are talking about here. Everything that you just said is not libertarian. Furthermore, your point about the NAP is completely incorrect – sexual harrassment is, without any doubt, an agression.
If this is what a fake libertarian is, there’s no such thing as a real one. This is every single libertarian I’ve ever conversed with.
This means you have never interacted with a libertarian then, just a ashamed conservative/republican wanting to be labeled something else.
Everyone knows the True Libertarians hang out in Scotland. With the True Scotts.
How many have you talked to? I’m guessing the root cause is your sample size is too small.
I can confirm the same.
I’ve spoken to many libertarians over the years, not one is in support of total decriminalization of all drugs.
Then I would argue that they cannot, in good concience, call themselves libertarians.
Hello! Nice to meet you. I support total decriminalization of all drugs. What a human being does with their own body is their own business only. Unless the human is a child who still needs guidance in making those decisions before they have matured enough to do so on their own. In that case the parents should guide them to make safer decisions until adulthood.
Now you have.
Because that’s absolutely unhinged
By decriminalizing at a minimum we can get people out of the shadows of crime and maybe into treatment, instead we pay for them to rot in prison because drugs are bad.
Then what if they were just kept illegal, dealers get harsh sentences and consumers get treatment?
Because under current laws, consumers that intend to distribute to support the habit, are treated as if they’re producers.
Current laws where? America is not everywhere
Yeah, OP’s argument is founded on a logical fallacy – it is called a Faulty Generalization.
This is a faulty generalization.
Commenting on a 2 month old comment. Sure got me.
The age of the post should protect your statements from future criticism…?
When I considered myself libertarian, I was not a fan of police brutality, pro LGBTQ rights, more open border, and legalized drugs. I still hold all of those views but have gotten a lot more to the left from am economics standpoint. A lot of that is die to my econ degree.
That said, post 2016 I definitely noticed a ton of faux libertarians who were very defensive of Trump. If you voted for Trump, I don’t think you can consider yourself libertarian. I think I recall hearing that the whacko New Hampshire libertarians basically took over the party. Those guys are a bunch of racist fascists.
If you voted for Trump, I don’t think you can consider yourself libertarian.
I wouldn’t go so far as to draw that line at voting, as one could certainly be voting strategically – it’s possible that they don’t agree with many, if any, of Trump’s policies, but they were of the belief that voting for Trump would push policy in a direction that would be in their interest – this is, of course, a symptom of FPTP, and it could be possibly solved with a ranked ballot. That being said, I do completely agree that if one is a vehement supporter of Trump, and his policies in a similar fassion to the usual MAGA group, then they cannot call themselves a libertarian in good concience – there are many policies of, and actions by Trump that are very un-libertarian.
You need to find yourself some Left-Libertarians.
You’re usually looking for some type of Georgists or some flavor of small-scale Social/Communist Anarchy. Most of them are way more able to grok the concepts of things like “natural monopolies” or “Tragedy of the Commons” and other fun market failure states. They tend to focus more on the existence of the market itself as a tool for creating competition that drives innovation and efficiency while giving less lip service to the idea that just because you accumulated a bunch of capital from an idea that’s its a good idea.
If I scam a bunch of people, I’ve gathered a bunch of capital, but that doesn’t mean I’ve actually produced anything of value for anyone. If I refined chemicals in my house and dumped all the waste in my neighbor’s pool, I’m not actually competing in an even market, because I’ve burdened my neighbor with the cost of waste remediation while I get to keep all the profit.
Yea but my neihbor is a POS.
I don’t understand your point. Would you mind elaborating?
You’re usually looking for some type of Georgists
Georgism is actually a very interesting political philosophy. I hadn’t heard of it before you mentioned it in your comment. Thank you for sharing!
“natural monopolies” or “Tragedy of the Commons”
These are, indeed, two very important, and critical issues. When one is advocating for libertarianism, capitalism, and the like, they mustn’t be ignored.
If I refined chemicals in my house and dumped all the waste in my neighbor’s pool, I’m not actually competing in an even market, because I’ve burdened my neighbor with the cost of waste remediation while I get to keep all the profit.
This point doesn’t actually hold much, if any, ground, as it is fundamentally at odds with the philosophy of libertariansim. Libertarianism is about equal freedom of the individual, yes, but that does not grant one the right to burden other’s with un-consented cost.
Generally I lean libertarian in terms of pure individual choice. Worship no gods or a million, be single or marry 20 people at once, put whatever substance you want in your own body, kneel for the flag or shed a tear, yes I will use your pronouns.
Every man a king, that’s my philosophy.
The rest of the stuff yeah. I want food stamp programs, I want a secular neutral state, I want antidiscrimination laws, I dont support a company dumping pollution on us.
You just described being a leftist. Why are libertarians so afraid of being put on the progressive left? You are not a libertarian lmao
I was pretty clear in what I believe LMAO
yes, and it’s not libertarianism.
a political philosophy that advocates only minimal state intervention in the free market and the private lives of citizens.
food stamps, anti-discrimination laws and anti-pollution laws are all a big fucking no-no for libertarians.
Ok it helps when you read what I wrote not what you want me to have written.
For the individual I want as much freedom as we can give them. Everything above that I want regulated and I want welfare programs.
For the individual I want as much freedom as we can give them. Everything above that I want regulated and I want welfare programs.
Okay, so you are a leftist, like me. In fact, you might just be a socialist, or even a communist.
My economic beliefs are: if it works do it, if it doesn’t do not. I don’t trust ideology and I don’t trust economists. Food Stamps work in that people don’t generally starve anymore, the free market works for video games in that people generally can buymore than they would ever hope to play.
Only do things that work.
Those are very broad categories to haphazardly throw around.
food stamps
Food stamps are not mutually exclusive with libertarianism on the whole. Libertarianism, very generally, can be described as encompassing the idea of maximising equal individual liberty, while ensuring that one cannot impart costs on another without their consent, or proper compensation for damages. Food stamps are more of a socialist view which puts it in the category of, what is commonly referred to as, “left-libertarianism”.
anti-discrimination laws
Correct, this would be incompatible with libertarianism – one has the right to choose with whom they associate, and what they say.
anti-pollution laws
This is incorrect. One cannot impart costs on another without their consent, or proper compensation for damages.
This is incorrect. One cannot impart costs on another without their consent, or proper compensation for damages.
who is gonna enforce that? lol
This is generally referred to as “Tort Law”, and it is normally handled by the civil courts.
For the sake of clarity in this conversation, would you mind defining “leftist”? It is rather ambiguous.
Drugs actually worsen the quality of life for everyone. You just need to go to some streets in San Francisco to know it
This is a strawman argument. I don’t believe that OP was arguing that drugs increased anyone’s quality of life, they were instaead arguing, and rightly so, that access to drugs is a in line with the libertarian philosophy.
Dont believe you and I wouldn’t care if it were true. I am not a utilitarian.
As for San Francisco, have you considered the radical idea of building more housing for greater housing needs?
So not wanting to have quite literally zombies roaming the streets is being utilitarian?
Can I have a turn beating up that strawman when you are done with him?
Sorry I don’t click random YouTube links.
No, what is bad is how people who use drugs are treated like criminals and thrown in jail. People don’t suddenly decide they want to be addicted to crack or something… But you know… Curiosity kills the cat. These people need help, not jail time. In countries where drugs have been decriminalized, there’s very little usage of hard drugs. Iirc, when users are spotted, they are offered treatment instead of a jail sentence.
Decriminalization works and it has been proven… Yet there are still so many countries that refuse to take the step
Consumers get therapy, dealers get jail
When the fuck did I say “treat drug addicts like criminals”?
dealers get jail
Then we arrest a 17 year old POC male because of a dime bag was calculated using police math to be 1 billion dollars street value and clearly dealer level.
And “therapy” turns out to be taxpayer funded rehab places where people pet fucking horses to get over their Marijuana “addiction” and atheists are forced to pray.
I went to state funded rehab outa jail… They were putting people with multiple clean years under belt on suboxone. 🙄 while pushing hard on AA, which does come across as a religious cult to me, while the principals are mostly sound, the people sent into these places to proselytize, don’t have anything other than a Christian god to project into a “higher power”…instead of it being you and the people and world around you.
What’s the point of mentioning the accused’s race? You fucking Americans are tiring with that shit
Because the war on drugs disproportionately impacts certain races over others. I mention race because race is relevant to the issue.
But yeah thanks for stereotyping in a comment telling at me for stereotyping. I enjoy seeing my point made.
OP wasn’t insinuating that you were saying drug addicts are criminals. How I interepereted what they said was that what you were describing wasn’t bad in OP’s opinion, and what actually was bad was that drug addicts are treated as criminals.
what is bad is how people who use drugs are treated like criminals and thrown in jail
Agreed.
I want antidiscrimination laws
For the sake of clarity, what do you specifically mean by this?
I dont support a company dumping pollution on us.
This is actually not a libertarian belief. It is of the libertarian philosophy that one cannot impose a cost on others without their consent, or proper compensation for damages.
