Can’t wait to graduate so I don’t have to run Respondus and keep dealing with this crap
Meanwhile I’ve been trying to turn off all the news, bing smart AI, and BS popups in windows 11 on the computers where we clock in for weeks. No such luck.
They ship a version of Windows 10 without any of those included. It’s called Windows 10 LTSC (Long Term Support Channel).
Try installing that to never be bothered again.
I am not the network/sys admin so I can’t but I will pass it along to them. Thank you. What’s funny is we use windows ten for our work laptops because of some software and I don’t have this problem with those. Just the desktops where we clock in and out and do online training.
Sounds like a waste of time and effort lol
I’m the one who has to deal with these popup every time I login in order to clock in on time. Worth it to me, but perhaps not to everyone.
My coworker opened edge when they added the new ai bullshit and thought the desktop was infected by a virus and started panicking.
At this point the EU should just set a timer for complaining that Microsoft uses Windows’ large market share to force services on their users. I do like efficient governments.
EU has, so Microsoft basically made an EU version
Casually watching Windows users complain about Windows when I’ve been shilling Linux for 10 years strong.
Seriously though, I’m actually wondering where the Windows lovers will finally draw the line.
Learning Linux is a pain in the ass. The line is where Windows becomes less and less convenient until it is more of a pain in the ass than Linux. It’s a blurry line for some people, but for me the combination of hiding settings so I need to enter the fucking registry to change them and then serving me pop up ads on my own machine crossed the line.
But fucking hell learning linux is still a pain in the ass.
So what issues are you having? What distro?
Nothing more specific than just the learning curve. Having to use the terminal, learn commands, etc. Just basic program installation requires me to look up how to do it. I’m currently learning via my steamdeck too, so cumbersome typing doesnt help matters, but I plan on installing on a desktop PC so I can experiment more easily. Picking a distro can be complicated too - I think I just want to use the same as what’s on the Steamdeck but I need to do research to figure out if I should. That research alone is a bit of the pain in the ass. I can do it, but I needed to be motivated but corporate bullshit to actually do it.
They will down vote you rather than admit defeat, like down votes are all that matters
They probably downvoted because sometimes your job or education strictly requires Linux-incompatible software, and you can’t do anything about it;
but then again, 9 out of 10 of those people spare absolutely no effort to move their eggs out of the metaphorical Windows basket.
They should get mad at the people that force them to use proprietary garbage to do basic tasks. I love that I don’t have to use Windows at work but I also work for a company that understands there’s a job to do and the best tools aren’t corporate schlock.
Some do, unfortunately getting mad about them is sometimes all they can do in some cases (e.g. the OP)
the downvotes are because the post specifically mentions Respondus, a software that does not run on Linux. the knee jerk didn’t-read-the-post response comments are not really helpful to people who don’t have a choice, not because they “refuse to admit defeat” come on now.
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Haha, where’s that guy who said he never sees “you should use linux” comments on Lemmy?
It’s crazy how I know which comment you meant. Lemmy still feels more like living in a small village where everyone knows everyone. Or it was just pure coincidence, who knows.
the post states that op needs to run Respondus, which is proprietery spyware anti-cheat for school tests (doesnt run on linux)
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i can confirm: ew is correct. it has admin priviledges and literally scans all running programs and captures every key press. u cant even ctrl+alt+del without it reporting it and closing itself.
it seems ironic to require cyber security students to install windows and respondus just to pass the course…
Does running it in a sandboxes VM work?
I’m sure it can tell that the hardware it’s on or drivers being used is virtualized.
But unless it’s using your webcam to track your eye movements or you’re in a supervised space, you could use your phone or second computer.
i’ve heard that too. there may be ways to spoof baremetal, but you’ll probably get in some trouble if its found out. i personally havent had to use the webcam (yet)
I just graduated with my degree in CSEC and, while my college luckily never had us do that, I know at least 10 people who would have found a way to trick it somehow into reporting false data
This is a thing that annoys me and it’s not just Microsoft doing this: there’s never a “No” button, it’s always “Not now” or “Maybe later”. As if i’m going to reconsider. As if it’s an honest offer worth thinking about and not a pop-up.
It’s like an annoying kiosk salesman at the mall but he’ll show up in your livingroom when you least expect it.
They should rename “remind me later” to “nag me later”.
In the history of pop-ups, I’ve never wanted to be reminded later.
If anything, I’m even further disincentivised to log in if they’re threatening to remotely copy my hard drive. That just sounds like a scam.
Pro Tip: You can create a local only account on a New PC as long as you skip connecting to wifi during setup.
With the current Windows 11 installer this doesn’t work anymore.
But you can download the ISO, use Rufus to create a USB boot stick and disable all the requirements (account, RAM, TPM, CPU generation) in Rufus’ options. Also lets you auto-deny all telemetry options and create a user account without prompting.Why would you want Windows 11? Great tips, though.
Because Windows 10 Support runs out next year.
Quite a lot of people in my country still use Windows 7, even 4 whole years after support ended, they really don’t wanna give it up.
I wonder if the same will be true for Windows 10.
sounds like a great opportunity to abandon windows entirely
This is what life is like for women. So many men are taught to not take “no” for an answer, and just keep pressuring her, waiting for her to wear down and give in.
Also the story of almost all Hollywood romcoms.
I guess “no” implies “this is your only chance to permanently decide”.
“Remind me later” is obviously going to be an annoying reminder.
“Maybe later” or “Not now” indicates it can be changed later, but might also come with annoying reminders.
Graduation unlocks all the white collar career paths, and your inevitable induction to enterprise IT spyware and power tripping local admins.
Better yet, become a power tripping admin.
Literally the only way my Windows PC is usable at work is with admin rights.
The policies at my work are really backwards IMO.
I have full administrative access to our prod hypervisor (including inside the VMs running on it)… but not my own dev machine 🤦♂️🤦♂️
And better pay… Hopefully
Respondus used to work on Linux. Maybe reach out to their support? It involves copying a DLL somewhere and using Wine, but that’s how I did my exams
This whole rapey lingo needs to fucking die already.
No means no, corporations. Not “maybe later”, not “remind me later”…it’s a yes or a no.
Every company does it now and I’m sick to death of it. Even for the free trials like YouTube Premium. I don’t want your fucking shit. Leave me alone.
We need a community! I am really annoyed by this, it is rapey and gaslighting and abusive. Another one they started to do is “You are almost finished with your updates”, updates that i didn’t request nor allow.
We need words, customized pitchforks and a leader to recover dignity!
Just use Linux
It is not only Windows, it is common in all apps, but i get the point
There’s already one. it’s called the linux community
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I would argue that they were a good idea on Vine. It allowed them to stay away from other platforms.
I don’t think shorts are bad, but they aren’t the reason I go to YouTube at all. They are just in the way.
I agree. Shorts are just a way for me to discover new creators when I’m on the toilet since my recommendations page sucks now and never recommends new creators to me.
Collaberations and word-of-mouth are the main ways I find new creators, the algorithm sucks at understanding the finer points.
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I like short form content too, but not on my longer form content website. And I wouldn’t want ten minute videos on my movie service.
I wouldn’t even mind them as much if they showed you who posted the short before you watched it. There are a few creators I like enough that I’d watch shorts by, but I’ve got no way to know it’s by them
This whole rapey lingo needs to fucking die already.
Maybe widely name-calling this practice for what it is could help steer companies away from this disgusting pattern.
Should we start refering to pop-ups that give no option to say “no” as something like “rape-ups”?
Every shopping site now wants you to sign up for some kind of discount or offer as well.
Instead of “No thanks” or “No, I don’t want to subscribe”, the reject button always says “No, I want to pay full price” or “No, I don’t like savings” and other manipulative bs.
Makes me not want to shop there.
And a lot of them don’t even wait for you to find something to buy, you just show up and it’s “HEY DO YOU WANT A DISCOUNT?”
Linux/FreeBSD and piracy are like the only way to mostly avoid this crap now lol.
Which will make you see it anyway in any consumer product or service other than the computer OS.
There’s at all plenty one can do with FOSS stuff without needing to resort to that, but ya, in geraral that’s true
I’ve also felt the “impossible to say no” lingo is awful. “remind me later” fuck off
The other annoying thing they (esp. MS) do is pop up messages like “The whole process of saving files has changed while you were asleep [learn more][got it]” and here, when you need it, there’s never an option for “remind me later”. So you either have to stop what you’re doing and go and read a massive blog entry that’s not actually relevant to the task in hand or you need to dismiss the message and never be able to find it when it’s actually relevant
Yes! It really is that. Just like how so many men are taught to never take “no” as an answer from a woman, and to keep pestering her until she gives in.
Why don’t you use a debloat script?
I’ve used one of those twice on different pc I’ve configured (for two friends), and it is pretty slick.What do I add to my batch file to turn off this popup?
I don’t know the batch command, I’ve used a tool from github (since I’m not good at Windows): https://github.com/LeDragoX/Win-Debloat-Tools
I have the notification system completely disabled through the group policy manager and I still get certain notifications once in a while after an update. And yesterday when I turned on my PC, it had added their bullshit Copilot AI to the bottom right of the taskbar which had its own notifications. 😡
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I’m currently running AtlasOS for the first time
Linux, bro.
Linux.
Linux and a windows virtual machine with a dedicated nvme hard drive and GPU using PCI pass-through. Windows is boxed in but easily accessed when you need it, and the performance is 95% of native, or more. And because of the dedicated hard drive, you can still dual-boot it like normal if you want.
Also, I recommend installing windows 10 enterprise in the VM, minimal bloat.
At some point Lemmy is going to track me down and murder me because I’m only running Linux on home automation and media servers, not my daily drivers.
Linux mostly works. It’s both fun and frustrating learning how to operate it. There’s only a couple things I can’t get to work on Linux which is annoying, but much less annoying than having to deal with MS.
It’s both fun and frustrating learning how to operate it.
This should be emblazoned somewhere in the initial Linux setup. I’m not in tech by trade, just a hobbyist nerd, and playing with Linux is like if a soulslike game were an OS. I had a terrible time figuring out how to get both monitors to work but eventually did and that felt like a huge win when it finally happened. Had an equally bad time trying to figure out how to install some game software but finally got that sorted and it felt like another big victory. But I still dual boot for now because some days I’m just not ready for the heartburn of dealing with my own ignorance in Linux
For me, Linux recreates the exhilaration of 1990s MsDOS: will this setting, that I really don’t understand, make my game work or just render my whole system unusable?
I really want to play this awesome new game called Syndicate…
What’s the worst that can happen? Reformat for a 4th time this week?
y/n?
I agree but with timeshift im able to be back up and running in 5 mins tops so I take more risks.
The logic I always subscribe to is, issues in Linux can be fixed maybe not by you or me but someone at some point in the future. On a long enough timeline we win. Where as it’s not an issue with Windows, but a business decision to annoy you and thus can never be fixed.
It’s been like that for 20 years though. This is the future and it still isn’t ready
It’s so much better than it used to be though. There’s been a lot of real progress and there’s more interest than ever in creating a viable Linux consumer-grade desktop among foss developers and even corporations.
I’ll grant you it’s definitely not there yet for non-techies. But I do think we’ll get there eventually and I wouldn’t have said that 5 years ago.
honestly I think it’s 95% there and would get that last 4% if you could go to a retail store and just buy one. the perception would be enough to get hardware and software vendors to start supporting it in a very short time. kinda like how cyberpunk has a steam deck present.
Would it be over night? No but real change is never quick. Perception has to change before the change happens. Why do you think MS and other Software vendors pays so much money to PC manufacturers to stay on Windows.
Remember with a windows PC purchase and bloatware. You’re a customer and a product, your desktop is a billboard. So it’s against their interest to give you agency in what OS you use.
I’ve been daily driving it for 10 years, what’s the problem with it?
I haven’t used windows for 15 years, minimum
Because you’ve been trying to find drivers that work 😂😂
The Arch of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.
-Dr. Martin Linux King
Most Windows issues and annoyances can be fixed pretty easily with registry tweaks. This specific issue requires you to go trough the major effort of changing a single 0 to a 2.
As long as its still easier to completely debloat windows instead of debugging Linux, your so called win is still far away.
“Simply find the registry value and know to change it from 0 to 2 to turn off this specific recurring ad on your own machine.” No thanks, I can actually just begin adless and remain adless with one simple trick.
Going outside,?
Oh, no thank you. The framerate is great but the character editor is tedious and complicated so my current save is a little gremlin.
Oh 🦌
they always leave off that registry change gets reverted on the next update and it’s now a new change you have to do to turn off the new ad showing up. I also don’t need to change my country location to uninstall a built in browser. Also do you think the registry is just something everyone knows how to use. It’s cryptic as hell and I know they are following a guide on some site. At least when i change a config file there are comments above the change most of the time not cryptic dword codes.
I was about to object that config files are also cryptic but you have a hell of a point that they contain comments. They are also usually are set up in a way to retain the contents across distro updates.
yep by no means are they perfect but they are not hostile and that’s fine by me.
Windows is way more shitty than Linux is difficult to learn, because it isn’t. You just need to understand how computers actually work to be able to use Linux.
And the demolition plans are in a disused washroom in the basement behind a sign that says “beware of the leopard.” That’s an absurd justification.
Normal users are not going to root around in the registry and twiddle things to mske the OS treat them with respect. Most of them won’t search for it, and many of those that do won’t have the skills to deploy a registry hack or identify legit info instead of malware or pranks.
The right answer is a third button-- “No, forever.” We all know it’s the right answer; I’m sure even Microsoft has focus group data. It doesn’t exist because someone in Redmond’s bonus is tied to how many people are cowed into signing up for OneDtive.
I’ve got a CS degree and 15 years of dev experience, and have come to the conclusion that you can’t negotiate in good faith with Windows anymore. It is going to take you down whichever hellpath their biz-dev team demands, and any attempts to fight it are going to be undermined and replaced with a new set of hacks or a differeny gauntlet of dark patterns for a few months later.
Maybe LTSC and Enterprise versions are a bit better, where they might have to preserve the goodwill of big dollar corporate customers instead of chasing some trifling revenue hack, but do we as ordinary users on home/pro licenses not deserve the same respect? And even there, don’t those business customers have to spend undue effort crafting and deploying policies to cram the endless stream of spam back in the box?
Normal users are not going to root around in the registry and twiddle things to mske the OS treat them with respect.
I absolutely agree with you, and this statement is absurd, given the context.
Recently I decided to try out gaming with linux. What was planned to be a weekend project turned into multiweek project, and it included a lot of “rooting around” to get things working the way I wanted them to. Maybe it’s linux treating me with respect, when I have to start planning for hibernation when I’m partitioning the drive. Maybe it isn’t.
(Aside, Valve has done great work with proton. It’s time to reconsider, if games are keeping you from switching over.)
Sorry you’re nvidia card is a nightmare because of Nvidia, not open source efforts
Surprisingly enough, nvidia drivers turned out to be the easy part.
What distribution did you try to use? Some of them are steeper to learn than others.
For background, my first linux was debian in late 90’s. I went through gentoo to ubuntu, until I got mac for work about a decade ago. By then my home rig was single booting windows.
So, given my history with debian, I started with ubuntu, only to realize I don’t like its current state. Next up was pop_os, because it’s heavily recommended for gaming. After some time I came to conclusion, that everything I know about linux on desktop is badly outdated, so I might as well go heavy and try arch. I chickened out, though, and went with manjaro. It’s actually quite nice, save for that hibernation.
Nawh
Scumbag design: cave in now or get pestered again in a few days
Literal malware techniques. MS learned well from all the viruses that infected Windows in the 2000s
“It’s important we give our users a choice.”
“… and then just keep giving them that same choice over and over again for as long as it takes for them to finally do what we want.”
The floggings will continue until morale improves.
Find the binary which produces the prompt and remove the execute permissions.
So user friendly!
It’s the start menu
Are you using a vpn? I’m setting mine to always use the same server, and now it doesn’t bug me anymore.
… Hide all notifications from OneDrive.
That shut up the ‘backup’ prompt.
It gets better if you backup and then get the prompt again after the next feature update of windows - because you get asked again and if you click on it will do a second backup which means that now all files are twice in your OneDrive, then three times, then four times, then… a reminder to upgrade OneDrive further as your storage is full.
I had to clean up this less more than once now for people and even witnessed it live after doing the upgrade for them sigh
Button’s greyed out in Settings
