Let me introduce a fresh hell: we call them Apex screws.
The “Alpha Male” of screws.
No take it back
German engineering?
Wonder what gave away…
My boy, you do NOT do Robinson dirty like that.
“Robinson”!?!
I’m sorry but you’re going to have to hand in your passport.
Oh no! I am forever shamed 😭
Square wishing he was as famous as Phillips, sad.
Pozidriv is clearly superior to Phillips
Why?
It was designed to allow more torque to be applied and greater engagement than Phillips drives. As a result, the Pozidriv is less likely to cam out.
IIRC that was a design feature of Phillips screws, not a flaw. Deliberately designed to limit torque to avoid over-tightening.
Interestingly, it was an accidental feature. The original patent application makes no mention of it, but 9 years later they added language about it camming out to the second patent application. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cam_out
Bug >> feature
In my experience pozidrive slips more than Philips, worst experience cap IMO
Everyone who does not want torx and nothing but torx has never screwed torx screws.
Apparently I don’t know shit about handywork since everyone here is swooning about Torx and I don’t even have an idea what they are
The best goddamn type of screw you will ever screw. No slipping, no stripping - you torque, it goes in.
Pentalobe is my favorite.
I’m seeing a lot of people here claiming that the Philips head was originally designed to cam out/strip to prevent a transfer of force sufficient to twist the head off. While I agree this does sound logically plausible, I could find no reference to such features in the original patent: https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/0f/28/e3/3e3075abbb9779/US2046837.pdf 🤷♂️
Yup. “Cam action” is only mentioned in the context of the wedge shaped driver/bit squishing out any crud that had lodged itself in the screw. The entire idea was self-centering and better engagement between the driver and screw due to the wedging. The fact that it failed more gracefully is a side benefit at most, and more likely just sales fluff to compete against Robertson.
To be fair, I have snapped a few Robertson in my day, certainly higher by percent than the number of Phillips I’ve used, but that’s more than balanced out by the huge number of crappy Phillips heads that have been almost as totally ruined by camming out under fairly normal use with a properly fitted driver.
No mention of JIS which is yet another “fuck Phillips” argument
I got a dinky electronics repair kit that included a wide range of those bits and god DAMN. It feels like they outperform phillips heads on phillips fasteners.
Does that mean that I’m using a Phillips driver on things that are actually JIS? A lot of electronics are Japanese.
JIS is more common on Japanese machines, ie Japanese cars and motorcycles. When I was a bike mechanic you used JIS for Shimano derailleur adjustment screws. Even tho a Phillips “fit” it would destroy the screw.
I actually can’t tell them apart from sight truth be told, but I’m also not wrenching anymore (not to mention the cycling industry largely moved on to hex and torx)
Probably. I find a JIS driver is, for the most part, slightly better for a lot of what I do.
The main thing I’ve found is you dont want too much of a point on the bit end. Too pointy and the driver will just wobble on the point and strip everything out.
Yup one of the first things I learned in computer repair is that a mostly flattened Philips works way better
I submit that every screw in the world should be the six lobe slotted. For the stuff that’s not tamper-resistant, anyway.
You have the six lobe for actually building things, because fuck Phillips head screws, and the slot for convenience where you could use anything from a coin to a knife.
Here in the US, certain brands of deck screws for outdoor use are six lobe and they come with the driver bit in the box because everybody has the damn Phillips and flat head screwdrivers! But to be fair, if you have a bunch of tools you probably also have a set of torx drivers.
I came here to show love for Robertson, but it looks like I didn’t need to. You guys are the best. 😁
I don’t think I’ve ever encountered one, but I can see their value. Where are they used?
Flatheads are awful and you know it.
Flatheads are good for a few specific applications that require the head to have flat contact with the surface but not be tall enough to be something else like a hex or torx, but needing a lot of torque. They suck for everything else.
Specific applications like… prying, poking, scraping, and chiseling.
Also handy on horrible cheap raised hex bolts when they get stripped. Dremel a slot and you’re done.
There are low profile hex heads that exist for that same purpose though. Pretty much no need nowadays for slotted heads, except at very small scale.
Holy hell the entirety of Lemmy just exposed themselves as retarded jobless people.
Six lobe, or torx, is fucking awesome when screwing in serious screws. It’s the reason why it replaced all philips and most hex heads.
Slotted screws are the fucking worst. You guys have never worked a blue collar job in your lives 🤣😂😭
where are they called slotted, I have only ever heard them called flat.
That’s another american/british English thing
Probably the best shitpost I’ve seen in a while.
Personally I wish we could eliminate flathead screw.
