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A ringleader in a global monkey torture network exposed by the BBC has been charged by US federal prosecutors.
Michael Macartney, 50, who went by the alias “Torture King”, was charged in Virginia with conspiracy to create and distribute animal-crushing videos.
Mr Macartney was one of three key distributors identified by the BBC Eye team during a year-long investigation into sadistic monkey torture groups.
Two women have also been charged in the UK following the investigation.
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Mr Macartney, a former motorcycle gang member who previously spent time in prison, ran several chat groups for monkey torture enthusiasts from around the world on the encrypted messaging app Telegram.
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This is truly sadistic behaviour. Considering how close they are to humans as well…
Death penalty would be appropriate here. I’m not a believer in general but what else can you do with this human trash?
Throw him to the monkeys.
When people warn you about the ideas they associate yourself with, this is what they’re talking about.
This is one of the rare occassions when I hope the afterlife is real and what people say about near-death experiences is real. I want these motherfuckers to feel the full horror of what they’ve done.
You don’t find these people on the other political side. You find them on that side. It’s a categorical divide, those who use empathy correctly, and those who pretend to suppress it and instead become obsessed with witnessing pain. You know they’re all cowards, the shit-my-pants-in-fear kind. Reduced to snot and tears the second the bad cop comes in. Just so incredibly weak and no amount of manmode posturing could ever hide it.
and those who pretend to suppress it
This is your own interpretation.
Do not get it twisted. There are people that exist who absolutely do not have the capacity for empathy. They are not simply suppressing it.
No thank you. I’ve had enough internet for today.
Yup. I’m going to read hunter s thompsons book on hells angels and actually feel relaxed from that compared to what I just read
what the actual fuck.
Well, if you really don’t think about it, I was threatened with 20 years for bud, so this sentence checks out.
Who are the individuals paying to commission this torture?
Definitely needs to be some investigation into the ‘consumer’ here.
Those monkey torture videos on youtube had some very disgusting comments, I’m glad I don’t get these people at all.
At the same time that I’m not surprised this stuff is on YouTube, I’m shocked at how brazen the criminals are to upload this shit to a public website.
We’d think the way these things operate are all Hollywood style, deep-web websites with passwords, 7 proxies, invitations and initiations to “join the club”Well geez, I guess sometimes it’s just Telegram Groups and fucking YouTube.
And let me guess, YouTube is moving at an snail’s pace when it comes to removing the videos and banning the channels uploading them, eh?
Thousands of years ago smoke machine kicks on
Buried deep in our DNA are these types of people, and I’ve often thought of exactly why. Back in the jungle our species was born in, we NEEDED shitters. The original battle royal called nature was a harsh mistress, and we carefully evolved these types to carry us through the dark ages.
Sociopaths: to help manipulate the tribe into staying together
Psychopaths: to kill to defend the tribe
General Anxiety Disorders: to stay alert for threats to the tribe
Depression: to keep the tribe realistic about existing on planet earth
Personality disorders: to unlock the creativity it takes to get out of sticky situations
Schizophrenia: to give a sense of higher purpose to the tribe through delusions of grandeur
And so on. Plus when selecting for certain genes to keep the tribe strong, there will be unintended consequences.
I hope yall enjoyed my very unscientific ramblings about this.
dna: mutates randomly
lemmy comments: This is a grand plan to help our survival as a species! without monkey torture we wouldn’t have made it through the before times!
nb: I did enjoy the unscientific fan fiction, please subscribe me to more evolutionary psychology facts
Evolution isn’t a plan, its the result of the RaNdOm MuTaTiOnS. Which sometimes proved useful for the survival of the being that mutated, allowing them to pass on that gene. The above comment is speculating reasons that those particular mutations might have helped them and therefore allowed them to live to breed.
appreciate the ATHF reference.
on the encrypted messaging app Telegram
Retards excitingly writing about ghouls, nothing new.
A bit similar to how “against the system” Americans watch RT, which is literally Russian state propaganda, adapted for international audience.
But TG is not even pretending to be secure, to be fair to them. So I don’t understand why.
This psycho is only facing 5 years in prison?! Yikes
Oof what a piece of shit. I’d say hurting animals for profit is just the lowest of the low but I guess as a meat eater I better shut up lol
There’s a difference between killing and torturing.
Animals used for meat are tortured. They call the rack they tie the cows to for mating to keep them pregnant and producing milk the rape rack.
Industrially farmed livestock is tortured, but not all meat comes from industrial farms.
I’m sure the deer meat I get from my brother wasn’t tortured. As in I’m 100% sure it was not.
I can’t agree. I think getting killed for food is torture. The deer wants to live.
I think getting killed for food is torture.
But you thinking red is blue won’t make it so.
Torture has an actual definition.
It isn’t killed for food. These animals have to be killed to protect the environment. Humans have replaced apex species, and if we don’t keep up population control, the deer overpopulate and destroy the whole ecology.
Why should you waste the meat?
And the way they’re shot, they will literally be dead before they can even hear the bang of the weapon (bullets travel faster than sound.)
So where exactly is the “torture” in that, and can you not see that taking such an absolute position is absolutely indirectly devaluing the actual animal cruelty going on in industrial farms.
Animals are not food, they have a right to live like anyone else. Hunting is cruel and factory farming is cruel, and all the nonsense of pasture raised animal agriculture is also cruel, and all the carnists mental gymnastics about how one is ok and the other is not is absurd. There’s no good reason we should murder animals.
Animals literally are food.
All animals are. And we too, are animals.
For what, that’s a different question. Literally every living thing gets consumed by other living things as a part of nature. Well, putting aside “artificial” things like being blasted to dust in a furnace, and even then, you can be used to fertilise plants, meaning another living thing is consuming you.
Just how naive do you have to be to think that nothing should ever die, or if it does, that it should never be consumed by another living thing? That’s illogical and crazy.
So… you would rather destroy whole environments, entire species, than accept that hunting is necessary? Because it is. It’s necessary for the environment and it saves lives (because overpopulated deer cause more accidents because of constant migration and just the sheer amount of them.)
You don’t understand what the word “murder” means.
This sort of absolutism is exactly why veganism has such a poor rep.
It’s clearly a personal thing for you. This is part of your identity, but not something you’ve actually researched or thought about. It shows from the way you use expressions like “carnist mental gymnastics” while not being able to accept literally unchangeable facts of nature and crying that a deer who lived in the wild was equally tortured as a livestock animal who may have lived their entire lives without being able to even turn around in their cage.
You’re about as good for animals and equally ironic as PETA.
Everything on this planet is food … including us. Every single thing on this planet eventually is food for something else. It’s not cruelty, it’s not evil, it’s not barbarism, it’s not wrong, it is life on planet Earth. Eating food does not have to come with torture. There is a gigantic difference and it is important to make that distinction, otherwise we will rip ourselves and this planet to pieces.
Postulating that members of a species should be shot because they otherwise destroy the environment is thin fucking ice as a human lol
Postulating
I don’t think you understand the meaning of that word.
Ecological Impacts of High Deer Densities
And in a simpler form https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deer_management
You can absolutely make that distinction, but speaking as another meat eater, it’s not really a given that factory farming is more like one than the other
Yes, but you can expect that what these people do is closer to torture, and what factories do is further from it, because for them graphic torture is the main criterion, and for factory farming profit from selling meat is the main criterion.
That’s on the factory farms (and the non existing government regulations) though.
Five years in prison for that is a joke.
I gotta admit, I was blissfully unaware that this was a thing. I really did not expect to read a headline like that this morning.
What in the fucking fuck is wrong with people? This motherfucker needs to spend the rest of his life behind bars. The biggest sign of a person becoming a serial killer is their treatment of animals. I mean, he’s already been to prison, so it’s not like he has any interest in being rehabilitated in prison.
A woman who made crush videos involving kittens ended up being posted on 4chan. They did their thing. Last I heard she was never heard from again.
4chan is a true agent of chaos but sometimes they focus their powers on the right people.
Chaotic neutral at best. I tried 4chan a bit but hated the captchca system to post so looks like yall are stuck with me!
I’ve tried it more than a few times over the years. 99% of the time it’s porn and racism. It’s a website that’s best viewed at a distance with people take screenshots of the shit that’s actually worth seeing.
Depends on the board to be honest. The papercraft and origami one is surprisingly wholesome.
People assume all of it is like /pol/ since that is the most famous board with the highest traffic. It does leak into the other boards with the odd thread/post here and there but would say it’s not representative of the site.
The biggest sign of a person becoming a serial killer is their treatment of animals.
I’m going to guess this is the second biggest sign with the first biggest sign being specifically their treatment of the animals most closely related to humans.
Like torturing worms? Maybe 50% chance
Torturing dogs has got to be a good 80%
Torturing monkeys has got to be like a 99%+ chance of being a serial killer.
Jesus Christ.
I kept reading “words” as “women”… felt real concerned for a minute there
E: “worms.” I kept reading “worms” as “women.” It’s definitely time for bed now. ✌️
The second biggest sign is the huge ass Trump and confederate flag behind him.
I agree with you but to be fair our prison system is terrible at rehabilitation. Sure it works sometimes but it’s not their main focus.
Did you read about the prison that is denying everyone in person visits so they can charge money for phone calls and video calls? They’re getting a kick back from the companies whk run those systems. Fucking gross.
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I am pretty sure that rehabilitation only happens in spite of our prison system.
The US prison system is punitive not rehabilitative.
The goal of the private prisons is to get the individual to commit more crimes so they get paid more. This means they are being paid to encourage and change people to break the law, as opposed to teach them to be better
I don’t think OP is looking to rehabilitate the torture king…
Yay for prison. And crush his balls first.
State-sponsored torture is still torture. And, in my opinion, worse.
This sounds cruel and unusual.
Please do not forget that we are NOT him.
Sometimes the hardest thing in life is to be a portrait of yourself, rather then a mirror reflecting the world around you.
My paint is fading…
Assume the worst, and maybe one day you will be presently surprised.
One day…
…what part of Virginia
Well I am shocked that a person like this would be A Trump supporter and love the Confederacy. /s
He should be up for now than 5 years. This is completely fucked.
Ironically, his 5 year sentence would be longer than the Confederacy lasted.
He didn’t do the actual stuff though, he got people in Indonesia to do it.
Imagine defending the fucking torture king
Imagine imagining that I am.
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No, I do not think that.
Congratulations, you’ve figured out what a distributor does.
Okay? People in the comments are talking as if he’s the one doing the torturing and killing.
Read the book Whipping Star. It isn’t very long. If you get to the end and can’t see the corollary, I’d be happy to point them out to you.
I have too many books and papers on the go at the moment, feel free to summarise it.
I think you are projecting. I don’t see that anywhere. Just people saying that the sentence should be longer. Which it should be. It should be considered as something like federal trafficking with a minimum of 5 years and up to 40 years. I bet they would have sentenced him with more than 5 years if it was CP he was trafficking.
Why would you think that? I’m not interested if you think I’m discussing in bad faith.
Yeah, I’m the one arguing in bad faith. This is exactly why I think you are projecting.
I didn’t say that. No interest whatsoever in your pisspoor understanding and attempt at using words you do not know how to use.
Alternately, you’re talking as if facilitating the whole network, including the torturing and killing, is somehow better than doing the actual torturing and killing.
Yes, running chat groups is not as bad as actually torturing and killing monkeys.
This type of comment always really bothers me. You are misrepresenting what is being compared. It’s not running chatrooms that is being judged. It’s facilitating and organizing the creation and distribution of animal torture content. If he was running chatrooms about my little pony no one would care. Framing it as running chat rooms is dishonest. Flying planes isn’t bad. Flying planes into buildings is. Say out loud the part you are trying to to minimize.
How so? I didn’t say he ran some innocent or general chat groups, they were obviously involved in horrific shit. You are misrepresenting what I am saying.
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You’d be surprisingly bored.
Willing to say the same thing about child porn and sex trafficking?
Why not? If you do the act yourself it’s worse than asking someone. Just like it would be for murder, the murderer gets longer behind bars, this is not surprising.
Boy are you wrong
Why?
Organizing the torture of hundreds of animals is better than torturing one animal yourself?
Good strawman.
Was he charged with “running a chat group?” Or “conspiracy to create and distribute animal-crushing videos?”
What did he do?
Hitler probably didn’t kill many/any of the Jews himself either…
Yes, someone made the same point already.
He even was nice to that one little Jewish girl. So obviously, he deserves some slack.
Wow! When you put it that way he’s basically a political prisoner. BRB going to set up a gofundme for this sweet misunderstood angel.
Conspiracy then. Just as bad.
How so?
You’re overdoing it now.
Overdoing what? If you don’t want to engage in discussion you don’t have to be here.
Which adds a while other level of hypocrisy. Why can’t he have good ol’ Americans do the job? Are they not good enough for him?
Also don’t care that he did not directly do it. He was facilitating it and it would not have happened on the same scale without his help. So in essence, he absolutely caused the torture of monkeys. Should someone who goes a hitman not be charged with anything? The hit man isn’t killing the victim without pay so obviously the person hiring one should be charged.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-50137450
This was the example which came to mind, where the original person was sentenced with the strongest punishment, then the subsequent people each received subsequently lighter ones.
However this disagrees with my stance, and gave the person who requested a hitman a longer sentence than the two who committed the murder (24, v 16 and 20 years respectively).
I upvoted you, by the way, in case you thought it was me who downvoted.
Meanwhile, Charles Manson is in prison, even though he never killed anyone with his own hands.
In that case he received the same sentence as Atkins, death, commuted to life. Good example, although he was more directly involved due to proximity.
He died like 7 years ago.
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Don’t worry. Trump supporters will just hand wave this as some sort of false flag.
With motherfuckin Ice Cube on a T-shirt that’s hanging on the wall, too. Says “Boyz N Da Hood” and everything.
What song of his do you think this POS likes?
Whaaaaat? Confederate and Trump flags? I’m so surprised!
LMAO, they’ll call him a legitimate businessman running a legitimate business, why is the government getting in the way of a stand-up American’s monkey-torture distribution network!
Nuke us from orbit, it’s the only way to be sure
I second that.
Working on waking up the Old Ones over here, will speed up.
