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I see too much useless reddit lately, please stop
Please report it to the mods.
Just reported it to the Lemmy network administrators
Do you really believe this place to be substantially different?
It was at some point at least 🫠
I’m still on the no poop challenge
If they really think there’s no reason to hide anything, why are they prosecuting Snowden for exposing something that was hidden?
Before having surveillance on people, they should have it on themselves.
Imagine how many corruption cases could have been prevented if the government was publicly monitored, with live streams from all offices, like a “big brother” show set up in the white house with live recordings of all calls and communications, so the voters can judge by themselves and monitor if the person they employed as the servant for the country is doing its job.
I fully agree with what he says, but it doesn’t seem to be an answer to her question.
Yes, our right to privacy is important, and he very clearly, and, not sure how say it, makes it relatable and easy to understand.
But, her question seems to have more to do with privacy at the cost of public safety.
I would say living in a free society isn’t without risks.
Living isn’t without risks.
And that’s why we must lock every one of our free citizens up. Y’know, for their protection.
Would you like to save this Lemmy post of a Tumblr post of a Reddit post that has been cross-posted on Lemmy to your Pinterest board?
More importantly. I’m gonna use these screenshots, that could easily have been modified, as the basis for my entire understanding of “privacy versus security”. Without reviewing any of the sources.
I believe Abraham Lincoln summed it up in that famous meme: “If it’s a quote on a picture on the internet, it’s gotta be true”
No but you see I, a stranger on the internet, agree with the message of the post. Therefore, it must be correct, as one is unable to lie on the internet lest their shins be removed by the cyberpolice.
Lol. I don’t care whether a Nazi said the quote, but they make good arguments besides for that
Ah, but dont forget Ghandi’s famous quote.
“If a man posts a meme, surely his whole world view is encapsulated in it. For truly I say to you, no human can have depth beyond a joke that they make.”
But then again, maybe you and Ghandi are just making assumptions as shallow as the jokes you are mocking.
Great idea. That’ll be hilarious!
DRM free because the message matters!
Yes
We must go deeper.
Now post it on Facebook or Reddit
I just posted it in my Matrix server where I am the sole member because no one wants to use it yet.
Please let me drag my Chat rooms into the order I want pleaseeee
we’re taking this post to Threads next.
I need privacy, not because my actions are questionable, but because your judgements and intentions are.
Gold!
This is such an apt way to put it. It makes it relatable for everyone, as I’m sure we’ve all experienced prejudice and the like.
This looks like it could be the source. It’s a reddit post by /u/starrywisdomofficial from almost exactly four years ago.
I think what Snowden did was fundamentally good.
My only problem is that he could have chosen to violate the bad law in the way King and others have violated bad laws in an effort to shed light on their badness: break the bad law in the open where everyone can see, then get arrested, then put the bad law and the system behind it on trial.
By running away, he’s given the people who are doing bad things a line of attack against him. It’s bullshit, and doesn’t change the fact that widespread warrantless surveillance is wrong. But some people will take the attacks against Snowden seriously. If he had turned himself in and gone to trial, that line of attack would be gone.
If being arrested and going to trial was his big concern, he would have taken that over running. We’re talking about the NSA and CIA here. He was afraid of being suicided in jail before ever getting to a trial.
Honestly I’m a little surprised he’s still alive. Russia wasn’t his plan, but it may have been the best place for him to end up.
There was a betting pool back home on how long he was going to stay alive. First time I’ve seen everyone in a pool lose.
Downvoted. Please dont post images of text. Blind people cannot read it.
Type the text next time.
You could transcribe it…
Why would I fix something when I can bitch?
Downvoted. Those who don’t know english cannot read your comment. There are many of them.
Translate the text next time.
Are you really this ignorant about how accessibility tools work for disabled people?
Instead of complaining, you could have just submitted a transcript. So far as I have noticed this was the attitude to the issue on the platform.
Also, for the record, I didn’t downvote you. My instance does not allow it.
Its not my job to transcribe posts. Its the job of the OP. That’s the point.
Downvoted.
No matter how right you are you don’t get to be a dick.
what did I do that was dick-ish?
We should all be doing our part to downvote and report low effort spam. It improves the quality of our communities.
Don’t post images of objects, blind people cannot see them.
Type the items next time.
Only post images as ASCII art
Can someone post that one meme please
“If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear” “Oh ok, I’ll just leak these secret government files online then!” terror
Lack of dialectical materialism.
“Let the good guys see your messages” erases the dialectical materialism of the situation. All guys are guys looking out for their own class interests.
So if you let the Powers That Be surveil you, you have nothing to fear if you happen to be their friend. If they dislike you, you surely have something to fear.
“The powers that be” doesn’t describe anything, nothing permanent anyway. The only constant is change, and that applies to leadership of any sort. A friendly leadership today is a hostile leadership tomorrow because its all a game of musical chairs. The tools to violate privacy, once created, will fall into all hands. In my opinion, we will learn the easy way… or the unfortunate way.
That said, I didn’t understand most of your message but responded to the small part that was communicated clearly.
Finally I’d like to (hopefully constructively) critique of your writing style. In the future I think that you should prioritize understandability and explanation over vocabulary and brevity. What use is a display of swordsmanship to a blind crowd?
When addressing a group of size, you can’t please everyone, as different listeners will have different bits of prior knowledge.
I assumed an audience on an ML forum would know the difference between an idealist argument and a dialectical materialist one (rather than being a “blind crowd”). If not, that can’t be helped: you can’t customise speech to a varied audience.
I understand your perspective. Hopefully my critique wasn’t overstepping. I’m just one person with some ideas I thought would help you. Maybe so, maybe not! Seems like we’re both trying and that is all we can do. Have a nice day.
You seem to agree with the post, so why does your comment read like you are trying to show you are superior to it?
I agree with Snowden not the other person
You could erase the first two sentences of this comment and lose literally nothing. Which is pretty impressive, considering how important “dialectical materialism” sounds.
The first two sentences are about the general model; the rest applies it to the particular subject.
There is no proof that Goebbels actually said this
More importantly, from that link, it predates him so he certainly did not come up with it.
See also: Nothing to hide argument
Privacy and security are synonymous, especially on the internet. Already independent of the fact that certain companies make money with your data for spurious purposes, too often without control and necessary protection.
I’m not concerned with the people who keep their blinds closed. I’m concerned with the people who want to peek in windows.
The same oligarchs who lash out at you for wanting privacy are the same who are doing dark evil deeds that they absolutely want to keep private and a secret.
People erroneously believe that the Nazis fled to Argentina. This is not true, they were given high-ranking jobs within America’s institutions.
Also in German institutions and the government. I mean what else are you gonna do? Put women in charge? /s
Nazis absolutely went to Argentina, just not all Nazis
The Boys from Brazil
Source: a play
Source: the fact they did and you can see loads of German immigrants arriving suspiciously close to the end of WW2. Same deal with the Brazilian South, loads of Germans from that time (some of which won’t even pretend they’re not Nazis. There was a recent arrest for a man flying Nazi flags).
Some nazis were given high ranking jobs in the US, typically those who were good at science and math (although we got a lot more of our big science brains from refugees fleeing the German Reich. Brain drain in autocratic and fascist movements is a very real thing, and has happened in multiple fields here in the states).
When it came to NSDAP Idealogues, we didn’t really need to import any, as all of our big industrialists were pro-NSDAP and believed in the ideology independently (which is to say they agreed with them, and still do, even if they don’t regard themselves as aligned with the NSDAP political party). Those that did come here were friends of gazillionaires (who would be billionaires today, though the dollar was stronger then. J. P. Morgan, Carnegie and Rockefeller all were 100-millionaires.
Plenty of escaping Nazi officers fled across the world. South American nations are notorious because they weren’t actively hunting them down (yet) so they required less subversion getting through customs, and then could work out identity changes and fade into seclusion later. Plenty did come to the United States, pretending to be someone else, since they didn’t have rocket science cred.
Goebbels is not the first person to say this. An earlier quote comes from Upton Sinclair in 1918:
Not merely was my own mail opened, but the mail of all my relatives and friends—people residing in places as far apart as California and Florida. I recall the bland smile of a government official to whom I complained about this matter: ‘If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.’
Let’s be clear: the right to privacy is not a fascist dogma.
Since Goebbels used the phrase “If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear”, then he’d be the one arguing against the right to privacy. The fascist dogma is eroding privacy in favour of surveillance - ostensibly to protect the people, but really just to control them.
I don’t know how I got that so backward when I wrote that. Thanks for correcting me.
