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You could press it but don’t
LOTO? Never heard of her.
Health and safety is going to want to see that.
This isn’t proper lock out, tag out procedure. They forgot the lock part and only have a tag.
Boeing? (looks like a flight attendant panel)
Should we lock & tag out the circuit?
Nah, this shitty sign should keep us safe.
Yes but that cost money. And the company stock buy backs and executive bonuses needs to happen.
Engineering the future at Boeing!
Y’all got any of them lockout/tagouts?
Lockouts SMH. Back in my day, we just died. And we were happy to work on energized systems for a bee (which was the style at the time).
You got paid? We used to have to pay for the privilege of being crushed to death at work.
We have lockout/tagout at home
Lockout/tagout at home
Is there a charge for “attempted negligent homicide” or something? You did something so catastrophically stupid that was all but guaranteed to kill someone except you got lucky, but you still should end up getting censured so you don’t roll the dice on someone’s life again
No, this is a corporation, so unfortunately the best we can do is some tax cuts maybe a massive bailout.
Reminds me of an story I heard once. Guy working on a job locks and tags out a circuit so he can work on it. Guy goes up on a ladder to do the work.
Coworker comes along and sees circuit left locked; he decides he needs to activate the circuit. Coworker uses bolt cutters to remove the lock and flips on the circuit.
Guy on ladder gets literally knocked off the ladder, falls 10-20 feet onto grass. Guy is rushed to the ER.
Boss investigates, gives coworker two options: either he can quit immediately, or he can keep working and personally explain himself to guy in a month when he gets out of the hospital.
I remember reading something similar, with someone responding that they were always two people for these tasks. One doing the job and one guarding the circuit, making sure this does not happen.
This is why you need 2 people to reactivate the circuit, one with the boltcutters, the other to fight the guard.
Where I live, for that kind of incident the employer would be obligated (as in, $50k worth of fines and likely criminal charges if you don’t) to report it to an independent investigator to determine who was at fault; the person cut the lock would be liable for a fine, and the employer would have to prove that they adequately trained the employee before allowing them to work in a high risk area, or the health and safety officer and company directors could be found criminally liable
Now I understand why you need 20+ supervision and management staff for 2 ppl doing actual work.
In my area, there’s a decent chance the guy with the bolt cutters could be criminally liable, if he was adequately trained. That could easily be negligent homicide.
You do not cut locks. If your boss asks you to cut a lock, report them so they get immediately fired. We don’t fuck around with LOTO.
I worked briefly at a store where the Store Director was clearly still traumatized about an employee death years prior. Didn’t press for details, but it was preventable and they were hyper-vigilant about safety precautions.
The world would be better without Captain Bolt Cutter and their kind spreading misery with their weaponized stupidity.
Option three - lock tag and then send coworker up, leaving original guy behind at the circuit with the bolt cutters to do as he sees fit.
Hey at first it said “only hit this button if you really hate Phil, it will kill him.” but they thought better and changed it.
I think this is what you’re looking for.
Can you perhaps relate that information in a format that doesn’t involve me watching a video?
Respectfully, you are not required to get any information in a format that you don’t want it. But also I don’t have to provide anything in a way that would otherwise inconvenience me for a random stranger who doesn’t even have the decency to say please.
If you don’t have less than 2 minutes for a video then don’t take the time to watch it.
I didn’t say you were required to, jeez. I just asked.
I don’t click on video links because they are almost always a giant waste of time.
Looks like it’s a meme video (clip from the Simpsons) so yes, just a waste of time.
I’m in public and don’t have headphones. I’m not clicking a video and bothering everyone around me.
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I’m open-source; check me out at GitHub.
They’re putting a lot of faith in that tape.
why aren’t they doing lockout tagout?
Because they’re doing note out hope out. Obviously.
Can they not just, unplug it, and put tape over the power point.
If a tool or machine can simply be unplugged, and the worker performing the service remains in control of the plug, then lockout procedures aren’t necessary.
Same thing I thought, unless there isn’t a place for a lock.
There is always a way to disable a machine. The button has power. At the very least, the power to that button should be locked out. If it has to happen at the breaker, so be it.
Only if the breaker has it’s own system for LOTO. You guys are going to get people killed lol.
Yes yes, sorry I thought my phrasing made that clear, but it wasn’t.
Breaker feeding the thing power.
I’m only replying for visibility at this point because of the upvotes and the dangerous scenarios that are being promoted with this advice. Breaker with LOTO would be more acceptable but even then I wouldn’t trust it. People have been killed because something was wired up wrong and circuits were accidentally connected (meaning breakers off but currents still going from a connection down the line to another breaker, it can appear that the circuit is dead until a switch is flipped sending current and happens in home lighting constantly). Also, someone can simply plug the device into another outlet leaving them with a death on their hands.
I know it’s dramatic and these are just comments, but something like this could save or take a life. I’ve seen too many workplace accidents and refuse to work in unsafe conditions or environments anymore even if it costs me the job. Last unsafe worksite I was in, nearly all of the workers walked out together when we arrived in the morning to start at a new site and saw what the project manager had in store for us (probably helped that the owner was hated and payroll had been getting screwed up for weeks). I’ll never forget that day and still keep in contact with most of them. We are all waiting and scared for the day a mass casualty is reported from the shitty work they were trying to make us do (some did report it to the authorities, but never heard what came of those reports).
Yes absolutely yes.
If equipment has a removable power feed, the plug follows the worker into the kill zone or the work doesn’t get done. If the plug doesn’t reach, and LOTO doesn’t happen, the plug gets disassembled and brought into the kill zone until the worker returns it.
Deaths because lazy are at the feet of management.
When your life is protected by, and depends on a little scribbled piece of paper…
Maybe just a little push
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The real question is whether this was put up on April 2 or is a really old sign from Feb 4. ISO 8601 saves lives people, but probably not as many as proper lock out/tag out procedures.
As long as that sign is there, don’t fucking touch it. Go figure out who put it there and ream there ass for writing it instead of locking out the machine.
Greetings fellow ISO-8601 fan club member.
Fuck the paywalled ISO8601. All my homies hate ISO8601. (OK, in reality I have no one…)
RFC3339!!!
maybe they just really like slash-delimited palindromes
Well, the button says “pull to start” and the sign says “do not push” so we’re good to start it, right?
they cancel one another out and it’s dealer’s choice
