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At most wag their finger.

Except that basically all Israeli politicians have made statements saying they have genocidal intentions.

Good thing then that Israeli politicians haven’t been on record saying that Gaza needs to be “wiped from the face of the Earth”!

To meet the legal definition of genocide, you also have to have the intent to destroy a particular group of people. So, legally speaking, your example isn’t genocide according to any source.

I don’t know the motives behind the Israel/Palestine conflict or how it started, but if it doesn’t involve an intent to destroy Palestinians specifically, I guess I could see how GPT’s take is valid. Like, the war in Ukraine is egregious too, but that by itself doesn’t make it a genocide.

I know your being sarcastic but I just want to point out that this is incorrect

here is no genocide if you don’t kill them with the intention to wipe them from the planet

If you plan to cull a demographic by only 10% its still genocide according to the UN. This is the definition that South Africa’s case at the ICJ will be ruled under. Under this definition all ethnic cleansing requires genocide.

Upvoted but I wish you would have run your post through ChatGPT as well my friend. That was hard to read.

Yeah, genocide often requires intent. So I guess this could be more of a massacre than a genocide.

But there’s quite a few different definitions, some are more lax.

They are targeting Palestinians, a particular ethnic group. That’s why they are executing unarmed civilians, too bad they got caught when they “felt threatened” by murdering shirtless fleeing Israeli hostages the soldiers thought were Palestinians.

“Gaza beachfront property” is already being carved up.

They have tried to stop the war… With Ceasefire votes… That even the US no longer vetoes…

… Russia and China vetoed. Blame them:

Reuters - “Russia, China veto US-led UN resolution on Gaza ceasefire”

AP - “Russia and China veto US resolution calling for immediate cease-fire in Gaza”

The next best thing is that UN committees can investigate and identify genocide without it necessarily being vetoed. Once the UN and especially ICJ identify such genocide, that adds global pressure; such global pressure leads to supporters of Israel to reconsider holding Israel’s hands; hence why the US in an unprecedented move has stepped further away from Israel than it has for decades. People don’t understand just how closely-linked Israel and US have been. I never would’ve thought a sitting US President would say a bad word about Israel/Bibi without fear of major backlash. We’re certainly at an inflection point — and it’s about fucking time.

Edit: Also, let’s not all pretend we’re human rights lawyers who can definitively define what is and what isn’t genocide. If the ICJ took the case up and thought there was merit in the case, then one should probably hold their tongue; after all, according to the ICC:

First, the crime of genocide is characterised by the specific intent to destroy in whole or in part a national, ethnic, racial or religious group by killing its members or by other means: causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; or forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Note: National; note religious; note “whole OR in part” On the flip-side, then we’d have to say Hamas wasn’t carrying out an attempt of genocide with October 7th, since they killed Palestinian Muslims among the Jewish population.

It’s kind of a moot point. At this point Israel has committed something around 20 October 7ths in the number of civilian deaths they’ve incurred in Gaza. With an estimated 80:20 civilian-combatant death ratio according to US figures, that’s well-above average. Forgetting the fact that more aid workers have died in this war than any previous one in decades… This is a travesty. So the question remains: If we’re all pro-civilian and anti-terrorist… Even if Israel didn’t do anything in Gaza and just enhanced its border protections, then what are the odds when looking at it from a quantifiable standpoint Hamas would be able to commit another 20 (and counting) October 7ths? (forgetting the fact that even before October 7th the IDF committed the vast-majority of civilian casualties for decades).

Ah yes, complete the ethnic cleansing of the region… What a wonderfully ethical suggestion /s

Absolutely deranged take.

I don’t agree with it, but at least people would stop being slaughtered like cattle.

Just give all of Israel to Palestine. It belongs to the Palestinian people. The former Israelis can live in Palestine–there were already Palestinian Jews–but they do not deserve an Israeli government, and ought to give the Palestinians their homes back.

They should just give all of Palestine to Israel and be done with it.

It already is Israeli territory. There is no state of Palestine. Attempts to formalize statehood were vetoed by the US on Israel’s request. Israel opposes Palestinian statehood. There are two formally autonomous regions on Israeli ground, West Bank and Gaza, but those aren’t states.

Youre gonna have to be a bit more specific in your defense. They have been killing all Palestinians, have been saying that all Palestinians are Hamas (including kids), and have said multiple times they want to wipe them off the face of the earth.

How is that not genocide?

Benjamin Netanyahu has in recent days called on politicians to choose “their words carefully” so as not to give ammunition ahead of the hearing in The Hague, Vaturi on Wednesday reaffirmed his calls to “wipe Gaza off the face of the earth,” and added: “Gaza must be burned.” “I stand behind my words… It is better to burn down buildings rather than have [Israeli] soldiers harmed. There are no innocents there,” he said in a radio interview before calling for the “elimination” of the estimated 100,000 Palestinians left in northern Gaza. “I have no mercy for those who are still there. We need to eliminate them,” added Vaturi, who belongs to Likud, the right-wing party led by Netanyahu.

When your argument is trying to explain the technical definition of genocide, you’ve lost the fucking argument, it’s a genocide.

Everyone seems to be forgetting who started this in the first place.

Israel?

History didn’t start on Oct 7th.

They are already. Antisemitic violence has been on the rise here since October 7. Antisemites see Israel do a thing and think “I know, let’s hurt some Jews”

I’m not. They’ve lied about this shit before.

In a world where they don’t have their own agenda (e.g. military income), I’d agree.

In THIS world, where the AfD has a considerable voice and the government blocks itself on gender inclusive language and rather does nothing, I don’t. Let’s not call it genocide, then we don’t have to act. Let’s not be too hasty about Putin so we don’t have to send any help. Let’s think about weed legalization for half a decade to be sure.

I think they’re being obstructive on purpose.

Is all champaigne from france?

If Germany’s not on the wrong(er) side, its just a sparkling global conflict.

I don’t get this WW3 talk that seems to only be here on Lemmy. Like, does anyone actually expect any countries with significant global influence to line up behind Hamas?

The closest I can think of is Iran, and they’re a regional power at best, and they prefer to work behind the scenes.

No, this will be a nasty little “tempest in a teacup” as always, with lots of onlookers wagging fingers but doing nothing. This is what all neighbouring nations are already doing - in fact they love the fact that Israel’s disproportionate response is damaging their reputation. They’re more than happy to stand by and watch, as they’re the ones who set Gaza up as a punching bag in the first place.

Ukraine is far more likely to evolve into a global conflict, especially with Ukraine’s position weakening and Poland chomping at the bit to jump in.