I say we lose the entire Crowder meme format. The “change my mind” bit was from one of his stunts, and this is just keeping it alive longer
There’s still many other meme formats that send the same message, we don’t need to sully Calvin’s image by associating it with a Crowder stunt
It only keeps it alive for those who know it. I had no idea who that dude was or where it was from.
Rusty Shackleford!
The problem is just the meme is misused. It should only be for intentionally bad takes
Memes change. That’s literally how they work.
If you don’t know how shitty of a person Steven Crowder is, take a look at this video (tw: verbal abuse) of him berating his pregnant wife.
His whole thing with “Change My Mind” is him going around to college campuses and debate-lording unprepared college students, and at the first sign of losing he weasels out.
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To be fair, he is racist too!!!
And sexist, homophobic, antisemitic, the whole right wing dipshit starter pack.
Honestly I don’t remember anything directly antisemitic from him, some of his guests were, if I remember correctly, but not directly from him. Do you happen to know an example of him being openly antisemitic? Not that it matters, he probably is in private.
I might be mistaking him with one of the other major grifters; the Venn diagram between racists, homophobes, transphobes, and antisemites is a circle.
The Venn diagram is a circle but the outspoken XYZ Venn diagram is not a circle, some are smart enough to shut the fuck up.
Why would anyone care who the stereotypical white dude is? That is giving importance/energy to the wrong thing. I didn’t even really notice nor care who he was (and still don’t). That said, I don’t generate memes with him in it so I guess I’m doing my part. 🤷🏻♂️
Are you genuinely struggling to understand why people who think he’s actively saying hateful shit about trans people wouldn’t necessarily want to increase his presence in the general Zeitgeist?
Or did you just want to slip in the “stereotypical white guy” dog whistle?
If you are actually struggling, i can probably help.
imagine a person saying horrible shit about you, specifically.
Now imagine they have a platform where they say this hateful shit to lots of people, enough that you sometimes run across these people and they also say hateful shit to you, perhaps worse.
Now imagine an unrelated meme is made with this persons face on it and you see it 5,10,15 times a week.
Now imagine that the comments on most of these memes feature a whole bunch of people defending this person and agreeing with the hateful shit they said about you.
I’d imagine that’s why some people care.
Genuine question though, what would be the right thing to give the energy/importance to in this scenario?
Do you have to specify whiteness? By definition, You are not far from him
Only because he’s white. If he was black, I would have said stereotypical black. I wasn’t addressing this at you. I’ll edit to say stereotypical
douche bagfrat boy turdthing.This is why giving importance to “not the focus” of the message gets in the way. Now we aren’t talking about -insert meme here- anymore. We are talking about someone’s personal issue with how I phrased something. Honestly, just proves the point of getting distracted by irrelevant things.
Why would anyone care who the stereotypical white dude is?
Because he doesn’t deserve to be the guy in the meme. Think about all the other actually cool people who have been immortalized in silly memes, a lot of times they get interviewed and it is really funny. Everybody enjoys on some level that the person in the funny meme they are looking at is actually a real human being who has the goofy honor of being famous for the really specific, niche context of that meme.
Why give that joy to a complete asshole and loser? Why give it to a media personality who spreads hate? Who cares if nobody recognizes who Crowder is, Crowder doesn’t even deserve to be interfaced with as an anonymous white dude in a meme, it takes away the necessary shame Crowder should experience at every interface with the broader public.
I really don’t give a shit about internet famous people and now, I also don’t care why anyone else cares. I’m sorry I ever asked the question.
Within the context of the meme it’s a guy with a mug and an exploitable sign on his table. Nothing more.
This shit sounds pretty tiring, IMO :/
Are you trying to suggest that the literal image of the man who created the meme has nothing to do with the man himself?
Yes I understand the question “who is that?” may not occur to you. It does to others, and results in this pile of dirt getting free traffic.
Most memes have nothing to do with the person in the meme. I doubt crowder himself made the meme, even if he did it doesn’t really matter as the meme has transcended the person st this point.
His change my mind videos quite literally spawned the meme. His platform became more popular because of the meme.
Do you even know anything about crowder or are you just talking out of your ass?
The only meme I see in this version is one complaining about needing to use this version over the original one.
It isn’t helping.
In fact, because the name is spelled-out, more people now know about the guy.
Yeah, the original meme is clowning the guy, showing that he’s an idiot with frivolous opinions
Spoilers - he didn’t want anyone to change his mind.
I love posts like this for a very special reason.
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Can you recommend me where to get started with Star Trek?
Star Trek The Next Generation
Skip episode 1, “Encounter at Farpoint”. It sucks all around. Watch it later if you’re really curious but don’t say I didn’t warn you.
If you want to check out a “representative” episode, see Season 5 Episode 2. (edit: the episode is named Darmok) You don’t have to know everything going in, it’s self-contained. If you like the episode you’ll like Star Trek.
I remember really liking Encounter at Farpoint when i was a kid
Rewatching it more recently, I realized Diana’s “PAIN! I FELL PAIN!” was her sensing the audience’s reaction to the horrible episode
Like… It had a single episode worth of good episode in there but they left the other half in that should have hit the editing room floor
ETA: I had to look up what season 5 episode 2 is, and yes, that’s an excellent representation
I’d argue that the second pilot of the original series, “Where No Man Has Gone Before” is also a excellent overall introduction to Star Trek: cerebral rather than action oriented, the focus on the people and their relationships both with each other and their own humanity, asking questions of the audience to make us think, solid message (“absolute power corrupts absolutely”)…
But definitely skip the original pilot, The Cage, in its standalone form. Watching that, we were damned lucky it didn’t get shitcanned fully right then and there
But why… Not chowder not changing any minds. simple.
Why would I change your mind‽
The sign commands it
Counterpoint: The rest of the Fediverse can see it too so it’s not just for Lemmy.
Can I get a blank version my man
On the flip side, I say we continue to use them. Let his legacy be something completely out of his control, and let him learn that while he’s still alive.
Calvin! Watch your mouth!
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