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Sadly doesn’t appear to be usable for SMS by Google Fi users who have web sync enabled. Guess I’ll be holding off.
Without iMessage, right?
Some self-hosters have been able to get iMessage working.
thanks but I don’t need this proprietary shit
It’s not proprietary, lol. You can download and deploy each of their bridges yourself to your own servers.
Source: been using their WhatsApp, Discord, and Signal bridges for over a year. I use Github sponsors to pay for development, as I appreciate how great they are.
The only closed source part of their stack is their client, which you don’t have to use.
Also, they’re some of the most prolific contributors to Matrix outside of Element. The emoji picker in Element was literally PR’ed by Tulir.
Love it when folk see people trying to make money off OSS and immediately resort to hysterics. It really makes closed source development look appealing if you’re going to be damned by idealogues regardless of whether you release the source or not.
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Love the CEO sketches! And they’re not even in the top five things Brennan has done, probably!
Wow! That’s one annoying video!
Honestly I understand where you’re coming from but I’m going to be a bit pragmatic, it’s free, it centralizes all my shit chat apps into one “shit app” (the app is excellent so far) I won’t bridge it to signal because that would be my safe app but for insta, messenger, Discord, telegram and even SMS/RCS I have no issues
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I guess I can finally use proper WhatsApp web on iPad 😂
Alright, I got to ask. Having one app for all these services sounds great. I remember some drama around it though, don’t recall the details. So what am I missing, is this actually good news?
Its not open source but neither are most of the apps it connects to.
Edit: Found a comment in another thread that sums up valid concerns https://feddit.nl/comment/8763492
See this comment by @[email protected]
Add iMessage and Viber and I’m in.
Be so nice to notify your contacts about breaking e2ee then, will ya
The Android version has a local bridge that does not break ee2e for Signal. It is an experimental option, but it was easy to turn on and use
It’s nice that the option exists, I didn’t know that. But I have to say, I’m still not a fan of the overall concept of bridges
Obligatory https://xkcd.com/927/
This is not applicable here, since Beeper is “just” Matrix + Bridges + Simplified UX!
Indeed. More like talking 14 competing standards and shoving them under one gui… and I’m here for it. I miss the days of trillian and gaim.
I was a Trillian user as well.
How is beeper reading my Discord DMs without breaching Discord TOS?
e: Their ToS and privacy clauses are way too opaque for something that’s not open source. No from me, Ma’am.
That’s the source code for the Discord bridge, I’m talking about Beeper
You were asking how it interacts with Discord. That is the code.
Beyond that it’s running a version of Synapse and has its own client - the latter being optional.
you can use any opensource matrix client with your beeper account
I’ve been using a Discord bridge with Beeper for three years with no problems.
That’s not what I asked
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I’ve already had Discord accounts snupped out from under me for not giving them my phone number, I don’t wanna give them a real reason to ban me 😅
Discord’s own Linux client is kinda ass and keeps breaking my build using old insecure electron versions/forcing you to update before you can use the app while not being up to date in my package manager
Gotta use a custom client anyway to keep my sanity intact
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Another closed source chat app? Yeah, no thanks.
Anti Commercial AI thingy
Not closed source. It’s just a Matrix server instance running their own bridges. All the backend stuff is open source, the only closed source part is their client.
The client is specific to their site and unnecessary: just deploy Synapse, then pick and deploy the bridges of their suite you want to your server. You can then pick and use any of the available Matrix clients to get the same exact features. You can even sponsor them on Github, as I’ve been doing for months.
the only closed source part is their client.
Which is exactly what I’m referring to. Plus, they can say they run a matrix server, but if your frontend is closed source, there’s no way I trust that they actually do run a fully opensource backend. Wouldn’t surprise me one bit to hear/read that they have closed source components in the backend too. Big nope from me.
Anti Commercial AI thingy
You can use any Matrix client with Beeper, you don’t have to use theirs.
Regardless, there’s nothing stopping you from recreating the same stack using the available tools.
What makes their service unique are the bridges. Download their sources, compile them, and then pair them with any server client combo you want.
If you insist on using their stack, you can still use an OSS client. They chose not to make their client open source as it is, by design, for their service only.
They’re trying to run a business aimed at people who don’t care about open source, and want the same closed source experience they get from their other chat apps but with inter connectivity between third party services.
If you want the latter without any closed source code, you can just go and do that. They’ve released all the important parts.
Edit: Here’s a guide to self hosting beeper.
What is this “closed source experience” you are talking about? How would making the client open source hinder that in any way, especially when their stated goal is to earn money with premium features instead of the app itself?!
Imo being open source is a VERY big deal for an e2e encrypted chat client! I don’t really care whether most of their stack is open if the app I’m actually using to type and encrypt my messages is not. This makes the whole thing look like a trick, pretending to be open when key parts are not.
What is this “closed source experience”
I can answer that: it’s the “I don’t care about security as long as I can send memes and inappropriate messages to most people” experience.
From the looks of it, it’s as secure as having WhatsApp/Signal/Telegram/ProtonMail doing “E2EE” through each app’s servers, and never knowing whether the client did the encryption right, or if it sent the keys to the server for messages to get intercepted… well, except you do know that the bridges are decrypting all messages anyway.
I can answer that: it’s the “I don’t care about security as long as I can send memes and inappropriate messages to most people” experience.
Closed source doesn’t help with that though, you don’t have to care about privacy in open source.
except you do know that the bridges are decrypting all messages anyway
They are working on on-device bridges that preserve e2ee, but making the client closed source kind of defeats the purpose here.
Closed source helps with the second part, the connecting with a majority of people using the same closed source platform (then different people use different platforms, which is where we are now… but the DMA might solve that).
On-device bridges could be nice if they included that in the OpenSource part.
Just use any open source client. You can literally do that.
And if you don’t trust the company - for any reason - use their code to deploy your own backend.
That’s not the point. An app doesn’t become good because you can just not use it.
I disagree. Beeper’s client is meaningless, it’s the service being offered that has value.
If you don’t mind trusting a third party service with your Matrix instance + bridge hosting, use Beeper.
If you’re into OSS and owning your own tech stack, self host the whole thing.
At no point do you have to use their client for any reason.
Given it’s all entirely self host able if you use a different client I’m not sure how they could be
Unless there’s some binary blobs hidden in the repo but you’d think someone would have pointed that out by now
Unless I am missing something, it did not send Signal messages to Android Auto, and that is kind of a deal breaker for me.
- Discord? Not working (probably because of TOTP)
- Facebook Messenger? Not working (probably because I use it without Facebook account)
- SMS/RCS? Not working (looks like it requires Google account)
Seems like it’s not ready yet
I wish there was an web app.
There is, they just don’t publicise it. Actually one of my favourite features of the service tbf. Just load up a web page and all my messages are there, regardless of where they came from.
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Thanks, fixed! (TIL you need the https:// bit on Lemmy)
What is it lol
Unified chat app…combines almost all chat networks into one.
Thanks buddy
Sure thing
I’m not your buddy, guy!
